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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 13 2015 15:36 GMT
#2421
Okay, here now. Will look at some filters (pretty much the filters of the ppl alive at this point).
If anyone has some questions/wants to talk about something, I am available.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 13 2015 16:05 GMT
#2422
dis did you get any new information from reading the filters now that James had flipped Vig?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 13 2015 16:38 GMT
#2423
On December 14 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
dis did you get any new information from reading the filters now that James had flipped Vig?


Still on it. Should maybe look at Fidei86 again, too.
What happened between:
On December 12 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I rather lynch DYH over dis atm after looking at their filters myself. I would like Shining to come back in and talk and see where he is at

and:
On December 13 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2015 03:41 The Shining wrote:
Nah I'm going back to lynching disformation. We let him off too easy yesterday and it pisses me off. How is it that people can suspect NM of bussing his RB but disfo is suddenly hard town for hammering FF?

Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the lowest content player and one of the easiest lynches now, lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead

I willing to sheep you this time around Shining if that makes you feel better. I honestly don't know why Rels hammered himself still.....


Also I think you wanted to look at a few filters again, too. So if you find out something new, feel free to post, too.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 13 2015 17:09 GMT
#2424
On December 14 2015 01:38 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
dis did you get any new information from reading the filters now that James had flipped Vig?


Still on it. Should maybe look at Fidei86 again, too.
What happened between:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I rather lynch DYH over dis atm after looking at their filters myself. I would like Shining to come back in and talk and see where he is at

and:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 13 2015 03:41 The Shining wrote:
Nah I'm going back to lynching disformation. We let him off too easy yesterday and it pisses me off. How is it that people can suspect NM of bussing his RB but disfo is suddenly hard town for hammering FF?

Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the lowest content player and one of the easiest lynches now, lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead

I willing to sheep you this time around Shining if that makes you feel better. I honestly don't know why Rels hammered himself still.....


Also I think you wanted to look at a few filters again, too. So if you find out something new, feel free to post, too.

Tinfoil happened I starting to think that there is real chance that NM really bussed his wife for insane towncred because MD's slot needed it. Also I remember reading Ver's guide on how to play mafia and one he noted is that towncred is overrated so (shrugs). Maybe no lynch could be a good idea too but I need to check something in the op.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 13 2015 17:37 GMT
#2425
On December 14 2015 02:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 01:38 disformation wrote:
On December 14 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:
dis did you get any new information from reading the filters now that James had flipped Vig?


Still on it. Should maybe look at Fidei86 again, too.
What happened between:
On December 12 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I rather lynch DYH over dis atm after looking at their filters myself. I would like Shining to come back in and talk and see where he is at

and:
On December 13 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 13 2015 03:41 The Shining wrote:
Nah I'm going back to lynching disformation. We let him off too easy yesterday and it pisses me off. How is it that people can suspect NM of bussing his RB but disfo is suddenly hard town for hammering FF?

Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the lowest content player and one of the easiest lynches now, lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead

I willing to sheep you this time around Shining if that makes you feel better. I honestly don't know why Rels hammered himself still.....


Also I think you wanted to look at a few filters again, too. So if you find out something new, feel free to post, too.

Tinfoil happened I starting to think that there is real chance that NM really bussed his wife for insane towncred because MD's slot needed it. Also I remember reading Ver's guide on how to play mafia and one he noted is that towncred is overrated so (shrugs). Maybe no lynch could be a good idea too but I need to check something in the op.


Hm. Currently looking at NM's filter. Didn't find something that would make me want lynch NM over DYH so far.

No lynch. Hm...
Currently we have 4-1, right?
ML would put us at 2-1. MYLO/LYLO whatever that one is.
No Lynch would put us at 3-1. MYLO/LYLO the other one then.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 13 2015 17:49 GMT
#2426
Wait we can lynch one more person before LYLO so ya lynching might be our best option but the question is who do we lynch.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 13 2015 18:36 GMT
#2427
On December 14 2015 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Wait we can lynch one more person before LYLO so ya lynching might be our best option but the question is who do we lynch.


Yeah, exactly. You're going to sheep The Shining?
Still slogging through the filters, but to be completely honest I am not even sure what I am looking for at this point.
DYH is still more likely than NM imo.
There are some parts in your filter I didn't like much, like not doing a lot of game solving D1 and a large part of D2 and you were the last one to hop on HtS, while maintaining a null read on her most of D2. Though I don't think I should be allowed to criticize you for that. xD
Also NM pointed out that you are at least somewhat capable of faking your town meta as scum.
Still think The Shining is town, but I'll have a look at his filter just in case.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 13 2015 19:00 GMT
#2428
Ok, despite NM's suspicions Shining is the towniest town that ever did town this game. If he is scum I will shake his hand and congratulate him on a game well played, I'm certainly not going to consider voting him.

Let's get this thread moving again. Just lynching randomly into the people that aren't shining gives us 50% chance of winning, and from my perspective we are at 67% of winning this thing.

@LS- Pick the scum from disfo/NM and tell me why
@Disfo- Pick the scum from LS/NM and tell me why
@NM- Pick the scum from disfo/LS and tell me why

@Shining- Frustrating as the flips were, please get back in here. I do want to win this thing in spite of my lack of activity might show.

Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 13 2015 19:09 GMT
#2429
And if I am your pick instead of the two options I gave you, you had better start pushing me instead of all this hedging.
Guts? Determination? $5?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 13 2015 19:20 GMT
#2430
Aight. Gonna try to get my shit together, pick my sweetheart out of the three options, try to explain why I can't resist him and then gonna vote for the sake of our eternal love.

This and much more after the dinner break.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 13 2015 19:24 GMT
#2431
I'll honestly say that I prob just sheep Shining here and go with NM. It makes sense that he would bus HTS because hsi slot was null'scumread by many people prior to his entrance.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 13 2015 19:24 GMT
#2432
Ah nearly forgot: DoYouHas a preferred sweetheart atm?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 13 2015 19:25 GMT
#2433
plus we saw FF bus HTS too so it seemed like a plan that he(NM) would come up with knowing HTS was sick.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 13 2015 19:36 GMT
#2434
On December 14 2015 04:24 disformation wrote:
Ah nearly forgot: DoYouHas a preferred sweetheart atm?


Currently in the first half of NM's filter. Still getting the town feels. Will see if that persists by the time I get to the end.

I agree with Shining's votecount reasoning why LS is unlikely (he could have easily prevented the FF lynch as an outlier voter, but didn't)

My money is currently on you Disfo in spite of the hammer. I'm not 100% on this, but we'll see how things shake out.
Guts? Determination? $5?
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 13 2015 20:01 GMT
#2435
Hmmmm.

Town mindset: shining if you're town, don't tilt, continue playing and help find the last scum.

Scum mindset: ok shining fair enough, keep tilting, let me win this game.

DYH is town. Disfo is scum.

##Vote: disfo
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 13 2015 20:02 GMT
#2436
On December 14 2015 04:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 04:24 disformation wrote:
Ah nearly forgot: DoYouHas a preferred sweetheart atm?


Currently in the first half of NM's filter. Still getting the town feels. Will see if that persists by the time I get to the end.

I agree with Shining's votecount reasoning why LS is unlikely (he could have easily prevented the FF lynch as an outlier voter, but didn't)

My money is currently on you Disfo in spite of the hammer. I'm not 100% on this, but we'll see how things shake out.


Maybe we are just a match made in the heavens and doomed to scum read each other.

Yeah the thing with NM is:
bussing HtS like this would be a super sick scum play and NM and HtS would probably have an easy time talking about this. His tone is a bit different to his last towngame (where I was town too), but it looks even more different to his last mafia game, where he was barely communicating. Though I think that mafia game was his first game on tl.net, so he could have gotten better. Still don't see him going from barely communicating to going to a 18 page filter, after replacing in after D1.
Also ignoring the possible bus stuff his filter looks town to me.
His random The Shining vote this cycle looks a bit wtf, though.

So overall I don't think he will flip scum.
Also still think The Shining is town.

PoE like this leaves me with LightningStrike and DoYouHas. This is a bit tougher for me currently, so give me a moment.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
December 13 2015 20:03 GMT
#2437
LS I think you're town. If you're going to sheep me, sheep me onto disfo.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#2438
On December 14 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:
LS I think you're town. If you're going to sheep me, sheep me onto disfo.

I thought you were going to go to NM? O_o
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 13 2015 20:06 GMT
#2439
On December 14 2015 05:01 The Shining wrote:
Hmmmm.

Town mindset: shining if you're town, don't tilt, continue playing and help find the last scum.

Scum mindset: ok shining fair enough, keep tilting, let me win this game.

DYH is town. Disfo is scum.

##Vote: disfo


On December 13 2015 08:52 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:
Meh w.e i guess he couldve stacked kp with scum...but that means shooting Damdred, Palmar or Trfel is an equally bad play. Smh.

On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me).

He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on.

I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here.

Hmm... what happened to this?
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote:
On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote:
and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well.

I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this.

my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever.

scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play.

the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association.


This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh.

So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon?
You know: help me to help you.

On December 13 2015 09:10 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2015 09:03 The Shining wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:52 disformation wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:
Meh w.e i guess he couldve stacked kp with scum...but that means shooting Damdred, Palmar or Trfel is an equally bad play. Smh.

On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me).

He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on.

I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here.

Hmm... what happened to this?
On December 12 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote:
On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote:
and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well.

I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this.

my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever.

scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play.

the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association.


This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh.

So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon?
You know: help me to help you.


Your vote on DYH while saying HTS is scum is still bad. DYH had his case on HTS before NM did. And nah doing either of those would require me still caring about this game, which I don't now that I know we had either a stacked or wasted Vig shot. Maybe I'll get around to why Rels case on DYH wasn't good. I already made a few posts on the points regarding FFs interactions with DYH but its whatever. This game is dragging and I'm tilting, its obvious and it is probably one of the reasons why I'm still alive.


Okay, fair enough.


So that means I am both town and scum? In this case I think I have to rethink my approach to this game as town. I just didn't want to press into going even more tilt. -.-
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 13 2015 20:06 GMT
#2440
Like how sure you are on diso over NM?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
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