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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 08 2015 22:30 GMT
#1837
No one wants to just lynch Fecalfeast?

I feel that maybe he was townread too early for not doing anything, so he decided to continue to not do anything because it works.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 08 2015 22:41 GMT
#1858
On December 09 2015 07:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Shenanigans onto fecalfeast then? I couldn't care less about this game right now.
I thought you prided yourself in being an unexpectedly hard mislynch?

As I recall from last game, "it's encouraging that this is all the scummer has to push on".
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 08 2015 22:45 GMT
#1865
On December 09 2015 07:41 disformation wrote:
Dunno what to make of Trfel. Like D2 everyone is scum. Now everyone is town.
Though, the thing with the active ppl being town and mafia doing jack could be true. Seen that happen before. And with everyone's reads all over the place mafia could very well be hiding under a rock or something.
If NocturneMage is mafia, I can't convince everyone to vote for him. I can't even entirely convince myself.

Thus, there's nothing I can do, so I need to assume that NocturneMage is town, for now at least. I think that with this in mind, the assumption that makes the most sense is that the most influential and active players are all town.

Looking through everyone's filter, I found a reason that I'm hesitant to lynch all of them, except for Fecalfeast.

Terrible reasoning? Yes. The best I have? Also yes. I'm over 10 pages behind and have no clue what's happening, but most people seem to be doing things that I like and getting involved... except for Fecalfeast.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 08 2015 22:45 GMT
#1867
On December 09 2015 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:
On December 09 2015 07:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Shenanigans onto fecalfeast then? I couldn't care less about this game right now.
I thought you prided yourself in being an unexpectedly hard mislynch?

As I recall from last game, "it's encouraging that this is all the scummer has to push on".

I just spent 2 full days playing fallout and tinkering with my PC. I just caught up on the entire day phase now.

If I die I don't have to read and mafia is never going t shoot me
Wait, but you just caught up.... So why are you now wanting to die?

I really think that Fecalfeast is the best lynch.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 08 2015 22:54 GMT
#1879
I think I've learned something very interesting about my town play. Unfortunately, it's not the thing that I wanted to learn...

Or maybe I'm just completely wrong about it. Oh well.

Lynch Fecalfeast.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 08 2015 23:05 GMT
#1903
Yeah, I know what I'm doing sometimes, okay?

GG Fecalfeast XD
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 08 2015 23:06 GMT
#1909
Doesn't play or read all day, leads a lynch on scum XD

I call that good guessing haha

Anyway, the 5 minutes I spent playing this game today might cost me quite a bit on my homework.... But that was fun XD
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 08 2015 23:10 GMT
#1917
Not even judging anyone right now, we can all be happy together until I decide to read the thread!

Or maybe I won't, I seem to be better that way ^^
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 08 2015 23:19 GMT
#1924
I think this is one of those times where the value of experience shows.

I may not be that good at mafia, but sometimes, experience plays a huge role XD

Anyway, off for the night. And Rels, if you're town..... tsk tsk. You should know better. Well, okay, if you're scum, you should know better too!

(no, that's not a scumread, that's teasing....)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 04:33 GMT
#1951
Hey, NocturneMage...

First of all, I'm sorry. I'd rather not get into exactly why I played like I did, but I really am sorry. My mafia play has way too many problems, and the way my play was towards you and Damdred is definitely one of the larger ones.

I saw something that made me think you were town, I think maybe it was Fecalfeast being willing to lynch you based on my case, while also saying why the case was wrong on several points. It seems like this could be the way that scum treats scum, to set up for a bus while sort of fighting against it, but I feel like it's much more likely that this is scum towards town, saying "here's an easy mislynch" but also setting up an "I told you so" afterwards. In addition to the overall picture showing a ridiculous determination to solve the game, which I have a bad habit of ignoring. Nine times out of ten, the players who are trying really hard and putting in tons of effort really are town, no matter what stupid ideas you come up with that say otherwise.

Anyway, I'd be lying if I said I was completely sure you were town, I'm not really sure of much of anything at this point. But I am sorry, and hopefully we can work together a little more effectively in the future if need be.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 04:40 GMT
#1952
On December 09 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 12:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya I got a Samsung phone that I could post on TL when I not using my laptop or I not at home :D


Can you do what I asked earlier of everyone? Who do you think are the next 2 lynches in order to solve/win the game?
I'm confirmed town, I can do what I want

I thought we had three lynches remaining?
+ Show Spoiler +
Current: Start of Night 3, 7 v 1
Start of D4: 6 v 1
N4: 5 v 1 (one lynch)
D5: 4 v 1
N5: 3 v 1 (two lynches)
D6: 2 v 1 (lylo, 3 total lynches)

To be honest, I found something that made me not want to lynch everyone except for Fecalfeast... So, I have no answer.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 04:47 GMT
#1956
On December 09 2015 13:44 The Shining wrote:
I'm dropping a case at some point tonight. So ya. If I get shot tonight, there's always that.
Ooohhhh, I'm definitely excited for this!

Any clue in how long? IE, should I stay up for it?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 04:53 GMT
#1957
On December 09 2015 13:47 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 13:44 The Shining wrote:
I'm dropping a case at some point tonight. So ya. If I get shot tonight, there's always that.
Ooohhhh, I'm definitely excited for this!

Any clue in how long? IE, should I stay up for it?
Wait... I'm guessing you mean night phase.

Darn, oh well. Still excited XD
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 05:10 GMT
#1959
On December 09 2015 13:59 The Shining wrote:
XD

You don't like my cases, though. You let JJB get away once upon a time the first time I made a case like this. DON'T DO IT TO ME AGAIN LOL but nah, I'm trying my best to make it readable. Also, I think like 1-2 Student games ago, I made a similar case like this to catch the final scum, Vonthin, in triple lylo.

So when I make cases like these, they're god-tier

>_>

<_<

I'll probably be done in an hour or so, maybe less
Yeah, I've learned SO much since that Student game. Like, seriously.

That game was basically the wake-up call for me, before that I actually thought I was really good at mafia, believe it or not XD

I'll see if I'm still awake when you post. No guarantees, though.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 05:29 GMT
#1961
On December 09 2015 14:28 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 14:10 Trfel wrote:
On December 09 2015 13:59 The Shining wrote:
XD

You don't like my cases, though. You let JJB get away once upon a time the first time I made a case like this. DON'T DO IT TO ME AGAIN LOL but nah, I'm trying my best to make it readable. Also, I think like 1-2 Student games ago, I made a similar case like this to catch the final scum, Vonthin, in triple lylo.

So when I make cases like these, they're god-tier

>_>

<_<

I'll probably be done in an hour or so, maybe less
Yeah, I've learned SO much since that Student game. Like, seriously.

That game was basically the wake-up call for me, before that I actually thought I was really good at mafia, believe it or not XD

I'll see if I'm still awake when you post. No guarantees, though.


You and I both, my friend. I'm about 80% done. No worries, you can get to it tomorrow or at some point throughout the day phase. It's guaranteed at least one of us will be alive next day phase lol unless we have a Vig that shoots N3 -____-
If this case is on me I'm going to be so mad ><
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 05:41 GMT
#1963
Hm, I sort of see what you're saying, but I'm not really sure that I agree.

I think I'm going to lynch NocturneMage instead once you get shot
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 06:15 GMT
#1965
On December 09 2015 15:04 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 14:41 Trfel wrote:
Hm, I sort of see what you're saying, but I'm not really sure that I agree.

I think I'm going to lynch NocturneMage instead once you get shot


Thus is life. If I get shot, I'm scumming you in obs >_>
Good luck with that XD

+ Show Spoiler +
Don't tell anyone, but I glanced through your case and I think you saved me the trouble of having to read stuff

Though I should take a closer look sometime later
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 17:05 GMT
#2019
I could definitely see scum ignoring someone like DoYouHas if they're town. That's not something you need to push; if you want to take the mislynch that direction, you just say "look at his activity, he's not doing anything to push the game forward, he is scum!" and if you want to mislynch someone else, you just say "his activity isn't alignment indicative, it's a coinflip!"

Based on disformation's response, I feel that he is very likely mafia and the best lynch, and thus I don't intend to read the parts of the game that I missed.
On December 09 2015 22:57 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 12:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
On December 09 2015 12:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya I got a Samsung phone that I could post on TL when I not using my laptop or I not at home :D


Can you do what I asked earlier of everyone? Who do you think are the next 2 lynches in order to solve/win the game?

I thought that was NM not you that asked that?
Anyways:
James(see my epic fail case but still think he could be mafia)
One of Rels/NM if both of them are alive at that point.


I am quite curious. Like I have reasoning to think you are town. But on the Trfel wagon:

(1) myself (pretty damned early)
(2) flipped mafia FF (who sheeped me an hour after I went to bed)
(3) Rels (right at end of cycle)

you can double check the timestamps but I am sure I am close to accurate.

why are you so sure scum would give themselves away like that with 3 mislynches to go?

especially given the timing. for Rels to try and save a scumbuddy with a decent chance of failing, or for FF to sheep me and sit there all cycle doing dick all.

you have approx 25 games under your belt to my 3, surely you are more informed on something I'm not
@NocturneMage....

Note that I wasn't really paying any attention at End of Day, even for the parts that I technically "read". But do note that as mafia, the first instinct is to defend your teammate by lynching the other person and being as forceful as possible about it. The second instinct is to bus. If you go with the first option, you can ALWAYS wifom it away and say that you were wrong.

Assuming for a moment that Rels is mafia... I can see him judging that the chance of succeeding in the mislynch would be well worth the risk of not getting town credit for the bus (note that this isn't getting scumread for being on the other wagon, that's actually minimal, the big loss is not getting town credit for lynching scum).

I'm inclined to think that what End of Day really suggests is that the people who were there, and involved, but weren't voting on either wagon are town (if there were any). While this seems scummy on the surface, I simply don't think that scum would ever do this, it's so far removed from the mafia mindset.

I don't think that this applies to DoYouHas, however, since he was trying to get a wagon started on disformation with ~5 minutes left in the day, and he seems to take a long time to post, thus I can't be sure that he's capable of adjusting to the situation and changing his vote if he is mafia. I didn't read to see about the other two.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 17:16 GMT
#2021
On December 09 2015 23:21 NocturneMage wrote:
Fair enough Rels. I realise this is a mostly open setup, but I have a ways to go with setup spec/mechanics.

HTS tried to explain to me how to balance 13-player games sometime back and I just told her to stop after 5 minutes because my head was spinning. I'm so bad

Anyhow need to afk again, curious to see the full case response disformation.
13 player game balance is really simple though? I can explain it in 30 seconds.

10 town and 3 mafia, you give the town 1.5-2 power roles and you give the mafia 1.5-2 power roles. Godfather and veteran are half power roles. Easy!

I mean, there's a bit that's more complex, but that's mostly enough ^^

I protest my vote switch to Fecalfeast being called a "yolo move", though. It may have been a guess, but it was a very educated guess!

Also, what the heck? Why is disformation saying that Onegu's filter is NAI and impossible to get a read from, after questioning it earlier? That wasn't even a point in The Shining's case, unless I badly misread it?
On December 10 2015 00:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 00:03 disformation wrote:
On December 09 2015 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote:
On December 09 2015 22:37 NocturneMage wrote:
Also when you have chance, can you answer post 1949?

Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game?


Well. DYH duh.
Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are:
a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win.
b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win.

In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated.

Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday.
You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though.
The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though.
So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p

I did give you credit for some of your work at least.


The suing part was totally a joke.

Sorry I went full Romanian Never go full Romanian guys.
I thought this was a TL Starcraft phrase? Evidently it carried to the LoL site also?
On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote:
I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries.
english hard language.
I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things.
If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't.
Disformation is making me laugh so much XD
And I think that it makes him even more mafia. I get the impression that he's focused on having fun here, primarily, instead of trying to lynch mafia, which while this is a great approach and should be the approach that everyone has all the time, isn't something I expected to see from disformation. Could be very wrong on this, though, but I don't care to find out.
On December 10 2015 02:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Tfrel can I ask you a favor please?
As long as it doesn't involve reading the thread, sure?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 09 2015 17:27 GMT
#2024
On December 10 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:
On December 09 2015 23:21 NocturneMage wrote:
Fair enough Rels. I realise this is a mostly open setup, but I have a ways to go with setup spec/mechanics.

HTS tried to explain to me how to balance 13-player games sometime back and I just told her to stop after 5 minutes because my head was spinning. I'm so bad

Anyhow need to afk again, curious to see the full case response disformation.
13 player game balance is really simple though? I can explain it in 30 seconds.

10 town and 3 mafia, you give the town 1.5-2 power roles and you give the mafia 1.5-2 power roles. Godfather and veteran are half power roles. Easy!

I mean, there's a bit that's more complex, but that's mostly enough ^^

I protest my vote switch to Fecalfeast being called a "yolo move", though. It may have been a guess, but it was a very educated guess!

Also, what the heck? Why is disformation saying that Onegu's filter is NAI and impossible to get a read from, after questioning it earlier? That wasn't even a point in The Shining's case, unless I badly misread it?
On December 10 2015 00:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 10 2015 00:03 disformation wrote:
On December 09 2015 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 09 2015 22:46 disformation wrote:
On December 09 2015 22:37 NocturneMage wrote:
Also when you have chance, can you answer post 1949?

Where Shining asks what are your next two lynches to win the game?


Well. DYH duh.
Currently my predictions for the rest of the game are:
a) we lynch DYH D4. He flips, red we win.
b) we lynch me D4. I flip green. We lynch DYH D5. He flips red, we win.

In the off chance that I am wrong on DYH, or we assume a hypothetical situation, where there was no DYH, things get a bit complicated.

Trfel looks very good as per the votes from yesterday.
You bussing your roleblocker is still a bit too tinfoilly for me. Would also be a sick play, though.
The Shining is tunneled town. Still think Rels is town, not 100% here though.
So that PoE leaves me with Fidei86 and LS. Fidei86 only started to really try and solve the game, after a few ppl started to get really suspicious of him yesterday. I don't like that LS mostly coasts by off screaming around at EoD and his mighty case, was a 80% rip off of mine. I have to at least sue him for intellectual property theft. :p

I did give you credit for some of your work at least.


The suing part was totally a joke.

Sorry I went full Romanian Never go full Romanian guys.
I thought this was a TL Starcraft phrase? Evidently it carried to the LoL site also?
On December 10 2015 00:26 disformation wrote:
I think the part with onegus filter should have said, open AT own risk and I am not accountable FOR any injuries.
english hard language.
I'll probably be semi around today, trying to get a bit of stuff done home office style, this game has eaten a fair share of my time and I am a bit behind on a few things.
If you have further questions just shoot, cause mafia won't.
Disformation is making me laugh so much XD
And I think that it makes him even more mafia. I get the impression that he's focused on having fun here, primarily, instead of trying to lynch mafia, which while this is a great approach and should be the approach that everyone has all the time, isn't something I expected to see from disformation. Could be very wrong on this, though, but I don't care to find out.
On December 10 2015 02:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Tfrel can I ask you a favor please?
As long as it doesn't involve reading the thread, sure?

I wanted you to read disformation's response to shining'so case on him :o
I think that it's extremely suspicious that he basically says "I think that some points were misrepresented or overblown", indicating that he thinks that the rest of the points are fine. This really doesn't feel like something that town would say.

To say much more than that, I'd need to actually read the thread and filters to see context, which I'm not going to do because we win anyway
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