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On November 21 2015 02:03 Koshi wrote: Euuhm. It's not normal normal but WE WILL TAKE YOU 1) Player who died can make 1 more post the next phase whenever he wants, as long as it is in the next phase. 2) Hidden Mechanic Via the Host, though, if I'm reading this correctly. No more posts after death at all and act as if you're alive for the duration of the game. This is right? | ||
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On November 21 2015 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote: nice oo found the setup post I've gotten into the habit of skimming the setup and signing up without bothering to read any details until day one. Is that wrong? Should I feel bad? | ||
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On November 24 2015 02:18 Sn0_Man wrote: i'll play with u whenever just throw me a steam invite (/id/sn0_man) or toss me ur steam url via PM (if ur name on steam isn't identifiable, PM me when u add me so I know it's u not some random scambot). + Show Spoiler [Sn0's friendly tips for 1.2k MMR] + are you aware that you can buy items in dota? did you know that you get gold for last-hitting? have u tried turning on ur monitor? last time i played dota i bought a couple sticks some boots and got annihilated by a well coordinated enemy team over and over and was constantly broke and also i'm bad and why the fuck does anyone play dota anyway jesus christ | ||
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On November 24 2015 02:43 Sn0_Man wrote: start out vs bots for sure ps u may still get annihilated by well coordinated team of bots xd those guys are 5-manning assholes pps i'm happy to host "Sn0's bot-crushing service for TL Mafia players", this time with actual friendly tips xd. Though i understand if u dun wanna play. game is mean and unforgiving. so many heroes to know the abilities of and what to avoid and hard counters, etc. i play too casually to become good at it and i know that would piss off teammates so it's mostly a nonstarter | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [hint] + it's a middle finger lel | ||
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Mafia night The goons quake At this site Round the townies Around the town hall Execute them Singing hallelujah Rest in pepperoni Rest in pepperoni | ||
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cool, i wanted to play with fefe again | ||
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On November 25 2015 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: Ohai! I'm sexy that's marv's job | ||
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On November 25 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote: And yes i am role hunting explain | ||
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i take fefe's self-outing to mean that he's town and he wants to win the game, and that he believes his normal town behaviour when not associated with his name will lead to being lynched, therefore he can be himself from the beginning. would be hella easy if he rolled mafia to just go along with staying closeted about his identity and doing literally anything else. that said, i don't think it's really worth using the situation to judge whether or not he's town in a vacuum so just see where he goes from here | ||
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On November 25 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote: grrr not at all you have to get in the mindset of ff. hes always town why make a smurf if hes not going to use it as town? gambler's fallacy | ||
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On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote: Cool, some weak early reads: Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one. Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game. SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative. Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere koshi just being koshi but good on you for tone read stuff sounds really generous towards chrom but i thought we were still fucking around mb you are right agree on sl only negative vibe i have about ticktock so far is the helpful townie post "i'm here to help" or whatever it was, your point by itself isn't necessarily hard evidence given how little has gone down so far | ||
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On November 25 2015 12:37 Chromatically wrote: sicklucker I'm not sure about. I agree he could be mafia for his push over something which I agree wasn't alignment indicative, but I liked that he didn't back down about it when he came under pressure. Ticktock I agree with your point, plus he just kind of came in and posted those non-opinions on FF and then peaced out. Koshi I don't have a read on. Let me expand on what I mean about OO: sicklucker posts his stuff about FF's claim being weird and also makes a comment about rolehunting. OO jumps on the "rolehunting" part of it, which is the part that looks weird and is easy to jump on as mafia (I was interested in his read on FF from it). The third post is the one I particularly didn't like. The whole post says nothing at all (no conclusion or any point for the post), it seems like it's just a poor attempt to explain why he jumped on the rolehunting comment when it clearly didn't mean much. he admitted to ignoring the setup completely mystery solved m80 | ||
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On November 25 2015 12:44 Chromatically wrote: Wouldn't he do that no matter his alignment? I don't see how that's relevant to what I'm saying. tbh i don't see how because it was easy that i shouldnt have commented on it, it was literally the first event in the game worth talking about and i wanted to see if he was slipping up as mafia or something. ignorance was the simplest explanation and also his claimed excuse. the reason that it didnt have a conclusion was pretty obviously stating my thoughts in the thread, i thought people might like to see that. i'll try to do less thinking since it offends you so. | ||
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On November 25 2015 14:14 Onegu wrote: VT Claim Is that a Koshi specific thing? Details? | ||
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Onegu - disavows responsibility to be proactive boxerfred - looks like participation for participation's sake so far sicklucker - entirety of filter is regarding FF smurfing preliminary scum pool by poe via feels and what i can remember of those not listed here, WIP | ||
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thanksgiving is coming i guess that's why i got the mail reminding me to vote. anyone looking for sheeple? | ||
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this feels like the slowest day 1 I've been a part of on this site in ages, if not ever. not for lack of posts but for lack of substance. i thought the wordy derpy phase we had at the start was indicative of a bunch of people who wanted to talk but that doesn't seem to be the case. this has led to an environment where the mafia don't have to post at all to blend in, because so few topics have been discussed. i know obviously i'm a part of this particular problem, but it's also become something of a systemic issue. koshi who is arguably one of the greater forces in this game has it in his head that people will run his errands, which is fine as a character but is kind of silly to expect anyone to jump however high it is he expects. his effort to assert dominance can have subtle effects on the game. a sort of bystander effect where everyone who wants the same information might end up waiting for another person to do it, therefore nobody does it, and nothing is accomplished. the paradigm that comes along with setting himself up as the tip of the power pyramid which may or may no be in jest, i've played with koshi before and he's had a similar attitude about things. nobody wants or needs to challenge him so the whole thing is hollow anyway. like i said before, plenty of room in the shadows with the rest of us. the issue with having marv in game is that everyone expects godly-play town or shitty-play mafia, when it's probably a bit of both that he's aiming for. posting less when town and slightly more than he feels comfortable with as mafia is how he gets to balance his play so he's not immediately outed when he's mafia. no idea what his alignment is and really nobody should care what he does until he, you know, does something. more useless conversation around this topic. i have preconceptions about vivax that lead me to believe he is capable of much more but is phoning it in this game. i had the same feeling before in student mafia xv and he was town there, so it might be melding the town and mafia sides of his play or that might just be i need to lower my expectations considerably. the difference between marv and vivax is that i don't have any personal heuristics on how to read vivax whatsoever. fuck, in that student game he pretty much blew off all my questions and i was kinda miffed about the whole thing. tictock still in my talent pool for today's lynch but not feeling it as strongly as others are, haven't really reviewed his recent posts but he's out of the top of the list for now sn0 could be added to it i think, but that's a reflection of my thoughts regarding how things seem to usually go down when marv is in a game. i sort of like the idea he had to avoid starting a conflict with SL in favor of seeing tictock's response to his wagon. ugh but the smurf stuff and the marv stuff. icky mess. boxer situation is hilarious but not gonna take him off my candidate list for today. fefe hasn't hit his stride yet or is mafia, don't know which. as for scott, for some reason i have it in my mind that he just rarely actually participates (at least in games we're been in together, pretty sure he's been modkilled in one of them), and that's been when he was town. so i can't judge him based on his participation / engagement. can reflect on him if we find out for sure tictock's or maybe even GB's alignment. feeling less good about SL but there seems to be the feeling of progression in his filter and i owe him a HJ for saving my life last game. honestly i should just delete this instead of posting it but whatever strongest to weakest feels regarding likelihood of mafianess {boxer onegu} strongerest {sn0 SL fefe} less stronk {tictock scott vivax} middling {everyone else} oh look a pyramid scheme koshi wouldn't want to be at the top of, lel i'm not locked into this vote but i better vote so i don't get rekt between onegu and boxer i'm gonna go with the 'gu bc boxer made a funny #vote: onegu | ||
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On November 26 2015 19:52 ANickelDrink wrote: This post really feels like coasting along to me The spoiler complains about the low activity and koshi/marv which is whatever. He says Vivax isn't a good lynch because he was town one time where he ignored OO's questions. The bolded says that OO has a personal heuristic for playing with marv but provides no read on marv. So if you haven't read tictocks recent posts why is he 'out' of the top of your list? Because others started to go on him? That's an odd reason? What do the smurf stuff and marv have to do with sn0_man? You say he's a possible lynch target but only list a thing you like about his play the classic: don't really talk about FF but keep him open for later. I've seen this before. Explain what my stride is as town please. Pretty sure this will be a mess of a post but oh well your stride as in something meaningful i can look at and say hey this looks good to me or this is batshit insane, be the active game you want to see. of course if you can describe how based on your posts this game so far i can clear you when your major beef so far has been with me and i know i'm town, despite having played together in student mafix xv where you saw the trainwreck style i play sn0: last four posts of filter, more useless marv meta discussion marv: he's readable when he's playing, right now he's toying with his food like a cat to a live mouse, or just fucking about intentionally, remains to be seen, obviously i agree there isn't a lot go to on tic: made a long string of posts in absence of other players, sounds like reasonable mindset, content-wise i'm too tired to read them as i'm about to go to bed, but i was acknowledging their existence and skimmed them. no alarm bells. | ||
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On November 26 2015 20:10 Tictock wrote: Why Onegu? that's what I want to know... Or do you just plan to make the game more active by lynching the least actives in order? he wanted to be asked questions, that's the last we heard of him. are you seeing anything alignment indicative in his filter? i'm going to answer for you: no. that always bothers me. i'm always willing to lynch inactives on d1 especially if the impetus of an impending lynch gets them to a readable state. | ||
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On November 26 2015 20:15 marvellosity wrote: you should know i don't really ever do this take what i say at face value either you believe i'm not really sure what's going on, or i'm mafia who can't be bothered to play. there isn't a town option of purposefully fucking around/being bad, because i don't like that i accept that and i think it's more of a way i choose to word things than it is a reflection on you, sorry | ||
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On November 27 2015 03:52 Koshi wrote: I mean.... Chrom & OO are getting after each other quite openly. Are we paying attention to this? It is odd no? Look at that superweak Chrom read. bruh that superweak townread was hours into the game in any case please flesh out the chrom read, i see you're voting him but none of the development towards it makes sense to me also, leaving the house right now but i've got my old-as-f ipod which might let me participate slightly at my destination time permitting | ||
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nor would i vote for ticktock on a day one in this game either based on his recovery before going to bed two nights ago, but i still haven't given the game a proper re-read to see if he's someone that deserves to be up for a day two lynch or not, that's something I'll look into later. so with the information i had to wit and the list of people i would be willing to lynch how could i possibly vote for either of them if i had zero confidence in one of them being mafia? in my mind onegu was a better candidate because it's possible there might never be anything there to read until it's too late to deal with it. finally, calling my reactions overreactions is subjective compared to other people and if you want to see how they are not overreactions you'll want to look at maybe one or two of my previous town games and how i react to suspicion, since i can't necessarily trust anyone here to factually report on that, nor would i expect anyone to defend me at this stage considering how well i always fit in a mafia line up all the time. | ||
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On November 28 2015 09:26 Koshi wrote: I would have shot OO? ##Vote: ObviousOne If it was near end of night and Chrom came back. I don't know. I just don't know. I guess I could vote the snowman as well. Maybe let's start with that. ##unvote ##vote Snowman ok ##vote sn0 | ||
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On November 29 2015 07:33 ANickelDrink wrote: Did only koshi and chrome play my pretend vigi game? That's no fun at all Hours ago I would have said TT having been the other wagon but I just re-read his filter and now I would say Chrom for how retardedly 1-demensional and shallow I perceive his tunnels D1 to be. sry no musical accompaniment | ||
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On November 29 2015 08:08 ANickelDrink wrote: flesh out that chrome read it sounds like something solid point 1: his idea of how i went about interrogating sl regarding his rolehunting "joke" was apparently so bad it must have come from mafia, not from a genuinely confused and interrogative townie. never considered this, suits a specific agenda point 2: sucking up to GB/marv, one who we know is town and the other who i'm relatively confident is town point 3: vote on vivax justified by a playstyle choice alone, that vivax wanted to focus on one agenda instead of multiple, which i guess is his thing now. point 4: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25151168 "I thought [they were mafia]" implying he doesn't think that at the time of this post or he's unaware he's leaking his knows our alignments point 5: his vivax vote post feels like how i would "choose" between two town wagons as maf, or in the case that my read on TT is completely off then obviously the town wagon instead of the mafia wagon. there's some feelers for you | ||
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On November 30 2015 12:14 Koshi wrote: Just go for OO next. Scum made it so that vote switch couldn't happen. just so you can reflect on it if you want to, both wagons ended up being town. you're the only person i entrust with this information. i can't be boffed to compare how people voted versus day 1 but maybe vivax had a point. | ||
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7. No lynch is not allowed. Self voting is allowed. Mafia not using their shot is allowed. sick mafia strategy pretend the mafia team isn't playing so any lurker is a candidate for a swift no-fuss low-activity victory. gr8 b8 m8 | ||
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thank you for comfirmation | ||
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what if i just say please, don't lynch me? | ||
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On December 01 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote: i dont think mafai knows about this hidden mechanic... they had no way of knowing unless host decided to tell them true, hence theoretically yeah you can have my vote | ||
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On December 01 2015 07:49 sicklucker wrote: well id rather people vote who they want since its not mylo ok, well i'd like to lynch onegu still | ||
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On December 01 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote: ya its you or onegu basically we really need to take out a 1 or 2 filter player that we will never read very well... between the two it's me with saying shit that comes off as borderline retarded openly and a heartfelt open rant about the state of the game versus the guy who keeps promising to come back and participate and was more than happy to answer a non-game-related question. if it's legit one of the two of us i know who i'd vote for if i weren't me | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:09 Tictock wrote: Actually seriously, can you help me with this? This possibly makes less sense to me than Koshi's scumteam. it's where my mind jumped in a vanilla game with no known power roles | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:20 Tictock wrote: I just don't see how anyone reading this and thinking "Oh mafia held their shot" Though thinking about it, the only way that makes sense from a scum perspective is if you were prepared with that post to react to the no kill and had no idea about the protection. oh shit it says he was protected in the post? lmao gotta be honest the only line i read in those end of day/night posts is about who died, the rest is usually fluff/you have this long to vote | ||
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i remember that a lot of people wanted to attribute reads to him based on outing his smurf on the basis that he always gets town so why would he want to smurf his explanation that he wanted to roleplay as a different person sort of makes sense to me. my original thoughts that he was hiding his identity in case he finally rolled mafia (a la gambler's fallacy, he would have to eventually roll it again). if he has to be false about his reads as mafia anyway, why wouldn't he continue to do it under the guise of the smurf and not out it? what else did fefe do? i seriously cannot stomach reading the first day again | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:54 Tictock wrote: Oh god, another day in this game... *cries* it's less bad if you watch (or rewatch) sandisk shoutcraft invitational ii | ||
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On December 01 2015 15:26 Chromatically wrote: because he made a joke about the mafia team holding their shot and then claimed he didn't see that you were saved? I don't see how that's legit honestly you sound like a climate change denier | ||
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> didn't realize a shot occurred > made a ridiculous conspiracy theory to resolve the idea > completely wrong in what world am i mafia and try to explain away lack of a night kill when i know one went out? you would have to be retarded to think this is an intentional dumbtell | ||
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callout for dumbtells when he's the dumbest of the dumb | ||
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i'd vote scott as well | ||
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On December 02 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote: Also, it should be pretty telling that Mafia isn't jumping right on a fair wagon on scott, and that OO can easily lynch lurker Onegu but never ever talks about lurker scott. It's ridiculous how FF's wagon has piled up but i just mentioned scott quite recently honest mistake, i'm sure | ||
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now we're lynching lurkers lol | ||
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gave BOTD about his excuse rethinking it recently and reflecting on the state of the game, wednesday is an oddly specific and timely day for the excuse to run out reflecting on his past play i doubt there's much we'd learn about his alignment directly from him when/if he does return you're welcome | ||
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at least i'm honest and aware that i'm shit | ||
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This is fucking legend Lolololol | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + http://www.webmd.com/depression/guide/detecting-depression , in my very recent brief moment of motivation I did some searching online that led me through a couple of articles finally landing myself on this page. If I'm honest with myself, this entire list accurately describes my state of being over at least the past 5 years. I haven't been to a doctor in over 10. I have a personal and family history of stubbornness when it comes to medical care. Like I'm willing to talk about this with strangers on the internet but not to my own family. For some reason I associate depression with weakness and displaying that weakness would bring shame upon myself. I know that how things would play out, that getting help and hopefully getting better would improve my life and life situation, but taking the first step seems enormous when I've been feeling this way for so long. A few hours from now I'll feel some small form of catharsis for sharing and end up not doing anything about it, just like always. The self-fulfilling prophecy of chronic clinical depression. I hate it and sometimes I even hate myself for it, but action feels impossible. But I'm going to try. I have a doctor, I'm going to pledge to call and set up an appointment, and maybe work this thing out. At least that's what I am telling myself right now. As cliche as it is to write it, the struggle is real. | ||
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On December 01 2015 16:25 sicklucker wrote: >75% chance oo is town. hell we may as well add him to the koshi club just confirming you're still in the koshi club, if so i'm going to join you on fefe | ||
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On December 03 2015 02:32 Onegu wrote: So I am really sick. I feel like shit. Game says no replacements and it is day 3 anyway. It also says no modkills... I will throw my vote on koshi again. Maybe will fill better later. ##Vote Koshi 9. Voting will be done in the dedicated voting thread found here. Any vote not formated correctly will be considered as not existing. You will be directly modkilled if you fail to vote. he missed the memo could have taken the easy way out | ||
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On November 25 2015 15:16 Onegu wrote: No I am just claiming VT. Have something to talk about post game. Wont bring it up now. I am on side FF looks worse for outing his smurf so early... last sentence is something i would have posted in a common QT not in the thread, then again the opposite stance was the stance that got people thinking i'm mafia so maybe better to have not said it at all and the mysterious post-game hint drop that is somehow related to koshi... yeah.... then again, is this a "dumbtell" as people are fond of calling out, or is this just his way of assuaging suspicion based on his participation? another thing, this is a weird defense of me, everyone else thinks i'm null or scum at this point: On November 30 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote: Football has started I am a few pages behind but I really hate the OO lynch. ##Chrome Let's do this. See you at halftime i'll meditate on it | ||
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On December 02 2015 10:02 scott31337 wrote: I'll give you a rundown - The carpet guy isn't coming till Friday - so I won't be able to move in till Saturday - I'm posting from my phone. SL's conf town so I'll sheep him Tomorrow our big boss is flying in so unsure if I'll have time at work. Maybe Thursday I hope [x] has a phone [x] can read and post from it [x] the excuses continue to be in play [x] not posting this is def the lynch tomorrow | ||
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do we know if he likes to play as scum? | ||
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11. scott31337 - mafia with no apprehension 6. Onegu - mafia with slight apprehension 3. TicTock - need to read again 1. Koshi - koshi, either mafia genius or mad town scientist 4. Chromatically - less strongly but strongly feel town 9. GlowingBear - strongly feel town on this 13. sicklucker - confirmed just writing it down so i hopefully don't forget to look at tictock again when i wake up | ||
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i have a question though what is a shit doom? | ||
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On December 06 2015 07:19 sicklucker wrote: we have a 4-3 vote with 2 mafia making it 4 over 3. if you take out the mafia its 2-3 for oo. like this is concrete evidence if I have ever seen it, 00 is the best lynch i'm sorry that you're going to have to wait 72 hours to be disappointed by my lynch let's pretend i'm dead and talk about who's going to die when i flip town i still feel like chrom tunneled me like a dog with a bone for something pretty silly to start with. i haven't even bothered to defend what i wrote because it felt right in the moment trying to figure out wtf you were doing at the start of the game. that silly action on my part resulted in a longer and longer tunnel on me where he was just looking for things that would make me mafia and not reflect any potential town way of thinking. tt on the other hand has waffled so many times regarding whether or not he wanted to lynch me and his silly action at the start of the game led to tunnels on him that he dispelled somewhat gb i have the least to say about because nothing that i can recall off the top of my head gives me anything to doubt he's town. i could look at votes if i get the motivation and do another once-over of the filter. somewhere within the game i'm sure there's been someone advocating more for lynching onegu than for scott, if someone remembers or finds that post it might be a good nugget. | ||
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tt definitely was going to campaign hard for gb today, he was a smart kill in either case tbh, could be a defensive kill or a diversion kill. if chrom is mafia he probably wouldn't kill tt who was one of the people who have a pretty solid town read on him. from fefe filter, the gb-fefe conversation about shenanigans onto scott stems from fefe agrees with tt's read on gb then later proceeds to talk to gb like they're friends and the scumread vanished just as quickly as it appeared... i could vote in gb's direction if bribed discreetly | ||
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On December 08 2015 14:12 sicklucker wrote: why dont you wanna kill onegu oo? i might but in the spirit of voting who i wanted to vote i went with chrom i don't know anything about onegu's meta so i disregard that entirely people bringing up pushing scott vs onegu at this stage of the game seem to forget it was generally accepted at the time (d1/2) he wasn't bullshitting about his excuse and that it only came up later he might have been using it to skate the entire game onegu specifically 1) if koshi is town and onegu is mafia then why would onegu employ a terror campaign against koshi given their recent ban-list related history 2) he's seems genuinely happy with his play here and his self-proclaimed useless-town meta sounds pretty accurate from my memory of playing with him and/or reading games he was in over the past year or so 3) voting to lynch him for first couple days was regarding his uselessness in the context of this game and i am always happy to lynch them early so that it's not something necessary at lylo i don't know enough about him to recognize if this is his town do-nothing meta or not, but reviewing his filter i feel comfortable saying he hasn't assisted in any meaningful capacity up til he started posting more than once every 24 hours in pushing any mafia agenda. unless i am mistaken? | ||
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On December 08 2015 18:25 Koshi wrote: I think you should move your vote off Chrom. On December 08 2015 17:44 ObviousOne wrote: ##unvote: chromatically ##vote: glowingbear all done already i was eating ribs at the time so i typed one-handed it was pretty amaze | ||
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Resting on your laurels since fecal died Nobody wants to kill chrom with me Looked at fecal and Onegu filters so it's either you or chrom Or Koshi is god tier mafia like I said before but he deserves to win if that's the case | ||
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I don't want to be part of the final 3 and make us lose Love you guys you got this | ||
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nothing i've done this game was particularly insightful or clever, at least in my own opinion. no coherent plan or agenda and certainly lots of sheeping and waffling to boot. if you want to see the prototype for how i would ideally play scum that's Smurf Mini, where i basically calculated my way to scum victory together with BH by planning who i would finger as suspects and in the end kept only the least readable townie (as a smurf) alive as bait for the other townie to vote with me and clinch the victory. planning, patience, measured and calculated reads. ofc that was the perfect scenario where nobody in-game knew who i was other than my partner until it was over. compare to this game. where did i hold back? how many errors did i make and not give a single fuck? i still don't give a fuck whatever chrom's early case on me was. i'm being accused of "dumb tells" but that's legit not even what's happening. i'm just going off memory, feeling, and whatever way the wind blows. koshi's filter is a good representation for how easy it has been to waffle this game, nobody is calling him scum for changing his mind every 20 minutes while it dictates his internal monologue. i simply don't bother to post the monologue at all. i'm not an important part of the machine as far as intelligent reads are concerned, nor do i consider myself capable of them, so what's the point? i battled with some depression early in the game and got shitty with chrom and that's in the past, now all i want to do is not get mislynched since the save missed. we can't lynch me just to make the game solvable so that theory went out the window. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![]() as mafia i lock myself into a specific paradigm on the game, even if it's not fleshed out and documented like this example, and don't leave myself much room to change. i think that contrasts highly with the pretty shameless and reckless [borderline criminal] flippity-floppyness i've demonstrated this game. mafia oo is pretty scared to slip up and that results in slipping up at some point. where was i scared this game? i've been angry, depressed, silly, stupid, but i challenge anyone to classify me as scared. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
pinkie promise another thought that occurred to me just now why does fefe tell scum!oo to make his case on town!chrom, let town!chrom's response counter it 100%, and then let it go entirely? if we're working together why not point out anything that might have a chance of helping my case? he didn't defend me on it, he seemed happy enough to let me bury myself there. those aren't smart scum on scum tactics to me. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
gl mate | ||
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