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Alright, I want to break down this post by OO because it makes me so much more sure that he's mafia here. He suddenly started scumreading me for reasons which are all either null or misrepresented. There's no way a town player can believe this.
On November 29 2015 08:31 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2015 08:08 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 29 2015 08:01 ObviousOne wrote:On November 29 2015 07:33 ANickelDrink wrote:
Did only koshi and chrome play my pretend vigi game? That's no fun at all Hours ago I would have said TT having been the other wagon but I just re-read his filter and now I would say Chrom for how retardedly 1-demensional and shallow I perceive his tunnels D1 to be. sry no musical accompaniment flesh out that chrome read it sounds like something solid point 1: his idea of how i went about interrogating sl regarding his rolehunting "joke" was apparently so bad it must have come from mafia, not from a genuinely confused and interrogative townie. never considered this, suits a specific agenda point 2: sucking up to GB/marv, one who we know is town and the other who i'm relatively confident is town point 3: vote on vivax justified by a playstyle choice alone, that vivax wanted to focus on one agenda instead of multiple, which i guess is his thing now. point 4: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25151168 "I thought [they were mafia]" implying he doesn't think that at the time of this post or he's unaware he's leaking his knows our alignments point 5: his vivax vote post feels like how i would "choose" between two town wagons as maf, or in the case that my read on TT is completely off then obviously the town wagon instead of the mafia wagon. there's some feelers for you
Each of these points sounds okay at first, but I'll go through each of them and explain why they're complete BS.
Point 1: I am mafia because I think his rolehunting comment was scummy.
OO never explains how this makes me mafia, because he can't. OO just says that I "never considered" that he's town for making that comment. You could make this argument about every possible point in the game (I could say that OO "never considered" that I could be town for calling him out on the rolehunting comment). AT WORST, this point makes me bad (even though I actually have explained my point).
Point 2: I am mafia because I "sucked up" to GB and marv.
I don't even know what this means. Is OO saying that I'm mafia because I townread GB and marv? That makes no sense. Is he saying I'm mafia because I joked around with them early on..? Makes even less sense.
Point 3: I am mafia because I voted Vivax for a playstyle choice alone.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498066-haunted-mansion-mini-mafia?page=31#603
Here's my Vivax read. It was based on a) Vivax's mindset not making sense and b) Vivax being uninterested in figuring out the game. Neither of those are a playstyle choice, they are both alignment-indicative and legitimate reasons to vote (although they turned out wrong). OO is trying to paint my vote for Vivax as being for BS reasons, when it was percectly justified. IN ADDITION, marv (and I think TT) was pushing Vivax for the exact same reasons. How can OO think that I'm mafia for my reasons when confirmed town had the same reasons?
Point 4: I am mafia because I said "I thought they were mafia".
This is probably the worst point of them all. Everyone should go read that linked post. In there, I was explaining my D1 read progression. When I'm describing my early D1 reads, I say "I thought TT and OO were mafia" because I'm describing something that happened in the past. OO tries to nitpick this here and somehow call me mafia for using the past tense? I absolutely cannot understand how a townie could legitimately make this read.
Point 5: I am mafia because my Vivax vote post feels off.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498066-haunted-mansion-mini-mafia?page=33#650
This is my vote post. Note that in the thread, I had already made it clear that I did NOT want to lynch TT and that I wanted to lynch Vivax, so there's no "choosing" going on here. I had already clearly made my choice, how can this feel like how a mafia would "choose" between two town wagons? The post is literally putting my vote down on my scumread before leaving. OO is misrepresenting.
All of these points on me sound reasonable at first, but when you look at them closer they're either filled with misrepresentation or just don't make any sense. Mafia make reasonable-sounding cases that are actually scummy BS. OO is mafia.
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PLEASE tell me if you want me to explain one of these points more. I might have gotten a bit ranty in there and I hope it all makes sense.
I really, really think that OO needs to be the lynch today.
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TT, I logically understand what your point is with some of those posts (attitude on marv, accusing you for only defending yourself) but a lot of them I think are pretty null (agreeing with my point on OO, doing association reads, saying I want to be right). And the ones where I logically see your point, I just don't get the same feeling from looking at his play as a whole. Sorry I can't explain it better.
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On November 29 2015 12:34 ANickelDrink wrote:
Chrome just kinda blew OO's post out of the water. Am I wrong?
No, you're totally right.
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On November 29 2015 15:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I AM DRUUUUUUUUUUNK
SCUM TEAM IS OO SNO AND SCOTT
BYE BYE
DRUNK AENSES NOT SO SURE ON OO THO
Actually totally on board with that team.
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On November 29 2015 23:29 Tictock wrote:
Wow, I was expectingto haveome catching up to do, but nobody is around on the weekend?
Point 4 in OO's post on Chrom was super weak, the rest of it felt decent. I actually approve of the point about not considering town modivations, but thats an easy thing for town to overlook too when they get on a train of thought (aka tunneling).
I wouldn't call Chroms response blowing it out of the water, but it was a solid response post.
Idk, I kinda think both OO and Chrome are town, OO is the guy I'm less sure about though.
What about it felt decent? I can try to break down what I'm saying more if it helps. I agree point one is the least weak of them all, but 2-5 are super weak at best and straight up misrepresentations at worst.
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Any reasons for that, Onegu?
If people really won't go for OO I can lynch an afk. Everyone really should read the post I made about OO though, I think it's strong.
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On November 30 2015 03:50 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2015 03:39 Chromatically wrote:On November 29 2015 23:29 Tictock wrote:
Wow, I was expectingto haveome catching up to do, but nobody is around on the weekend?
Point 4 in OO's post on Chrom was super weak, the rest of it felt decent. I actually approve of the point about not considering town modivations, but thats an easy thing for town to overlook too when they get on a train of thought (aka tunneling).
I wouldn't call Chroms response blowing it out of the water, but it was a solid response post.
Idk, I kinda think both OO and Chrome are town, OO is the guy I'm less sure about though. What about it felt decent? I can try to break down what I'm saying more if it helps. I agree point one is the least weak of them all, but 2-5 are super weak at best and straight up misrepresentations at worst. Its more like I can see a town mindset behind that post by OO, though I should look at it again a little closer when I get home. You've already addressed his points quite well.
Ah okay, I see.
I mean, it's possible I'm just super tunneled and confirmation biasing everything, but I really don't think I am here.
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yeah I don't think those arguments for Sn0(/OO) being town are sound, if they're both mafia then there isn't really a chance to redirect the lynch onto someone else and it's not like one of them is a runaway wagon, they're opposing each other (in the scenario where only one is mafia)
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On November 30 2015 06:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Chrom are you ok with lynching SNO?
ehh it's fine, I'm more sure on OO but I think Sno is mafia too
so I'm not opposed to it I'd just prefer OO
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On November 30 2015 06:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2015 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
EBWOP:
If you don't have time to play the game and you don't wish to vote on people, why do you enter the voting thread right at the beginning of the day?
Please help me think this through
yeah can you explain this more
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my perspective on the inactive vs active thing:
I think OO and Sno are the scummiest, and also pretty inactive so they are the best lynch
I think the active players have been townie overall
plus if one of the actives is mafia, then they'll be easier to read on a later day because more content so it's better to lynch more inactive people when there's so many of them
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On November 30 2015 06:38 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2015 06:34 Chromatically wrote:On November 30 2015 06:26 GlowingBear wrote:On November 30 2015 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
EBWOP:
If you don't have time to play the game and you don't wish to vote on people, why do you enter the voting thread right at the beginning of the day?
Please help me think this through yeah can you explain this more Well Sn0 is clearly lurking, generally because he doesn't have the time to play I suppose. But when day2 started he just came to the thread and said OMG WTF SPIRITS IN VOTE COUNTS. I went to see if he casted a vote, but he didn't (unless the vote count is wrong) So why the hell did he enter the coting thread in the first place? Then I remembered Mafia knows what the hidden mechanic is, and that made me think it was a slip?
hmm that's actually a good point, who just goes to the vote thread at the beginning of the day?
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I think a team of OO + scott + some active player makes a lot of sense.
I want to say Onegu is mafia too for that nonsense yesterday but I'm not sure how he fits in there with them.
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Just from looking at pure votes and not their context:
OO(2): Chrom, GB
Sno(2): OO, TT
Onegu votes Koshi (so wasn't concerned with taking a side at that point)
scott votes Sno
Koshi votes OO
Vengeful spirits vote Sno
OO(3): Chrom, GB, Koshi
Sno(4): OO, TT, scott, Vengeful spirits
TT moves to GB off of Sno
Sno votes OO
OO(4): Chrom, GB, Koshi, Sno
Sno(3): OO, scott, Vengeful spirits
FF votes Sno (4-4)
GB unvotes OO (3-4)
TT votes Sno (3-5)
GB votes Sno (3-6)
SL votes Sno (3-7)
OO(3): Chrom, Koshi, Sno
Sno(7): OO, scott, Vengeful spirits, FF, TT, GB, SL
As soon as OO pulls into the lead in votes near the end of day, a ton of votes pile onto Sno despite OO not being there at all. If OO flips mafia (highly likely), I feel like there's probably the "sneakster mafia" hiding in those votes (FF, GB, TT, kind of SL but that was really late) although I really don't know who I think is most likely right now. I think scott would make sense with OO due to the early afk vote on his likely counterwagon. Onegu I feel like doesn't makes too much sense with OO because he wasted his vote on a day where mafia would have cared about the wagons, but it could be possible that he would have come back to change it if needed?
Anyway that's a lot of preflip association, but I think it makes sense to look for a reasonable team in MYLO. So OO mafia -> probably scott and one of the actives on the Sno wagon.
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Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's a pretty good chance though? As long as we pick correctly/get lucky out of that group.
I'd probably put TT in there too. I was pretty sure he was town but I thought FF and GB were town too so I should probably reevaluate all of them I guess? Ugh... maybe it's as simple as OO + scott + Onegu but I feel like that wishing for too much.
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On November 30 2015 13:31 sicklucker wrote:
onegu not voting probably makes him town sadly. Id say hes >50% town here
Not impossible for him to come back EoD if needed though I think
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is FF still mostly based off of the smurf thing? can't find it in your filter
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I just played a game with Onegu mafia, it was also really low effort
idk I think OO has to be the lynch tomorrow, everything else is based around him
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