[T][M] Resistance V - Section 31 - Page 21

On November 12 2015 21:35 sicklucker wrote:
also artanis is pushing a made up world (me/you/vivax) as an excuse to not include me. (alto he does not mind including vivax for some reason)

Because if hes scum then my suggestion of a me/hts/coag/shockey team is pure and he cant have that

hell the team might be xata/art/vivax altho it could still be kita.

YOU SHOCKEY

I have had your back all game your my boy when you log in today and you dont know what team to submit remember im yo boy and i hadz your back all game no one else did.

SUBMIT SHOCKEY/SICKLUCKER/HTS/COAG ITS A GAME WINNER

On November 12 2015 21:53 sicklucker wrote:
Like rels I have no idea how to convince you im town. Im being my town self im dropping logic if you can filter my spam (i spam as town deal with it, get used to it) Im showing my thought process as best I can. Im revaulting alot. Im spending an absurd of time today on this game? like the last 5 hours?

On November 13 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels, I will say it a fifth time but me (or anyone for that matter) thinking of nominated teams rounds ahead is not mafia motivated. It is NAI and I've been doing that all game thinking out loud.

On November 13 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
Additionally, you are unfamiliar with this game so from that standpoint alone - I know you scumread me from the beginning when I did that, so why aren't you tagging sicklucker (or did you and I just missed skimming it????) for doing the same thing in round 2 when we were both convinced the mission would fail on a 7-2 vote?

On November 13 2015 01:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##Nominate ShoCkeyy, Vivax, HtS, Sicklucker

oops.

On November 13 2015 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:


lol we'd have to be pretty slow to fall for that wouldn't we? There is a full 48 hour period between the two.

You're saying that her plan was to hope nobody noticed the team failed or.....?

On November 13 2015 01:30 kitaman27 wrote:


This has to be the most sketchy thing you've said all game Rels.

On November 13 2015 01:08 sicklucker wrote:


i dont see how that relevant. like even if rayns not meta confirmed we have to pick one at some point to have a solid majority so its a good risk to take. theres 3 groups currenly with one mafia confirmed basicly. They are

me rayn,xata
art , hts , rels *
vivax , kita ,rels *

* assumes ryans town

On November 13 2015 01:54 sicklucker wrote:


arts weird logic idk. now that i think about it that makes little sense ask him

On November 13 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote:


It's stuff like this that makes me think he's reaching for scumreads.

Post #2341 is a good example of this.

Look at his read progression on Artanis/rayn and myself from his posts into 2343/2344 from 2364 and 2365.

How does he put rayn as mafia? Look at the flips on Artanis and myself.

Also Rels calling me defensive (ie a reason to call me scum) when it is he who brings up that same reasoning 4h ago in #2566, how would he expect me not to respond to that? He's been hammering that point up all game until Kita called him on it.

From my mindset, if he's town (and I don't think he is for other reasons) he's not familiar with thinking ahead, if he's mafia, he needs a reason to see my behaviour as mafia.

Regardless of familiarity, the fact that Kita is able to see a town mindset from #2566 and Rels was not able to for the better part of the game (after me telling him multiple times) is telling.

On November 13 2015 02:52 Half the Sky wrote:
1h45m spent in customs....someone please kill me.

Kita, regarding the scum meta on SOTW 2 and Drams, being on mobile, I cannot quote, but I will do my best to try and direct you based on everything I recall.

From those two games, Rels thrives in environments where there are scummy townies. The same parallel is here - you have Schokey and myself scumread nearly all game until this most recent cycle and sicklucker has and still has chock decent doubt on him.

Let me try and break it down as best I can.

SOTW 2 - scumteam were Damdred/Rels/Fidei
1 The scummy townies from my own recollection from DAY ONE are: Shining (day vigged day 1)/Dandel Ion (lynched day 1 because of activity/nonsensical)/LightningStrike and there might have been one more. If I recall right, focus on the interactions between Rels vs Lightning Strike and I BELEIVE Dandel Ion. HE IS OUT TO GET THEM.

Rels is able to take control of the thread day 2 onwards because he is the only one that fully understands the complex mechanics of SOTW 2 and rayn was forced to trust him. A lot of the tone reads you cite here are present there and you will see are NAI.

Battle of the Drams - scumteam sicklucker/Rels/Shining
1 Again focus on interactions. The scummy townies this game were scott31337 (replaced in and mislynched day 1 for J-Roc a smurf who left him in a bad position), coolTLname (mislynched day 2, unfamiliar with TL mafia style coming from SC2 mafia).

He pushed Trfel hard early day 1 (607/620) from baic questions, coolTL name from #751/753 in that thread. Also look at 751/753 posts in Drams and compare that to the posts in this game where he's pushing Artanis. There are places he stretches the truth and I caught where he was doing that with Artanis this game.

And people who want to townread Rels on activity. No.

Filters -
SOTW 2 - 21 pages (3 cycles I think, endgamed n3)
Drams - 28 pages (3 cycles I think, conceded n3 as the entire scumteam was exposed)

On November 13 2015 02:55 Rels wrote:

So what scummy townie am I attacking this game ? Who are my danden ion / bm / coolTLname (lol my phone has this name registered cause I typed it so much) / JRoc ?

On November 13 2015 02:46 Rels wrote:

Yeah, someone else had to explain how my thinking was flawed. This game you havent be clear when you posted stuff. Youre not reading properly or not answering properly. Like that attack on xatalos when he said "he didnt drop the rayn townread over sl": you said multiple times it didnt make sense and I still dont get it. Now since Arta is probably scum, you are probably town, so just saying vague stuff like that is not enough: if you scumread me, I need you to make a case. By the same occasion, please make a town case on arta.

On November 13 2015 03:05 Rels wrote:
Hts can you not ignore me ?

On November 13 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:


Easy, me and sicklucker whom any townie familiar with his game should know that he's not the most articulate person in the world. He's been jumped on all game for stuff not lining up. Which is exactly why I sought his side form his perspective as screwy as he might play this game, that's the way it is.

I've played games with him as town, as mafia and hosted several games where he was mafia. If ANYONE should have his alignment spot on especially by lategame, it's me. Early game, not so much but lategame absolutely. LightningStrike isn't present this game and neither is marv/JAT/etc but they are examples of others who do better with figuring him out.

On November 13 2015 03:27 Half the Sky wrote:


I am going to look into Vivax and the voting patterns again....since that is what my priority should be.

Here's the thing, Rels is mafia. This is my world.

Rels wanting to replace Vivax out is scaring the shit out of me (#2640) and earlier he wanted to swap Shockey in (forget the mission number) for Superbia (#2156). The mafia motivation for this is an easier fall guy whom at the time was being universally scumread or near universally scumread.

This would point to a Xatalos/Rels/Kitaman team in which case I'd have to re-review sicklucker and Vivax's points against them.

Do the votes make sense....

This would mean rayn was right early game to be more hesistant to townread Kita....and that Rels townread....ignorance or a reason to get him on the team.

WHY IS THIS GAME SO HARD.

#rantover

On November 13 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote:


I'm so sure on Xatalos and Rels as spies at this point but if we must compromise and you want SL out, then Shockey in for sure.

Also the frustrating thing here is that rayn is town but Coag needs to do his part in getting Shockey out of the tunnel. Goddamnit.

Part of the problem there from Shockey's POV is that rayn voted for two failed missions and was in two failed missions but that must mean that who else is scum? But there's a reason that not even scum are trying to bury him for that even. His reads were off this game (Shockey/myself) so that should lend clear to him as to why he voted that way and put the people on his mission that he did.

And to be quite frank, if it comes down to you and Xatalos, I would take you over Xatalos by a country mile. Because I really really think he's mafia and if he gets on a team again, this game is over.