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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 10:09 GMT
#2203
Okay Rels, i have absolutely no idea why Artanis scumreads you, so you have a point.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 10:15 GMT
#2204
Meh... but then again i come back to the fact that Shockeyy and HtS are so fucking scummy. Like literally every single thing they post is so fucking scummy. ugh..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 10:23 GMT
#2208
There is absolutely no way HtS is town in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 10:32 GMT
#2209
Rels one easy question:
On November 10 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote:
It's possible and we can't fully eliminate the fact that 2 scummers voted no.

Aside from anything else, do you think town!HtS says this when she thinks Xatalos is more likely to be mafia than sicklucker is?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 10:44 GMT
#2213
On November 10 2015 19:37 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels one easy question:
On November 10 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote:
It's possible and we can't fully eliminate the fact that 2 scummers voted no.

Aside from anything else, do you think town!HtS says this when she thinks Xatalos is more likely to be mafia than sicklucker is?

I think it's stupid, especially since she seems to think Arta is scum at this point I think. She townreads me, kita, shockey, and has suspicions but maybe town on Superbia, I don't know why she's saying that.

Yeah. Like the way HtS approaches the game when the amount of information RAISES, she goes backwards.
- She has quite clear reads and is townread for them.
- When mission 1 fails, she suddenly suspects everyone in mission 1.
- She makes up bullshit reasons to call me scum.
- When she cannot call me scum anymore, she makes up bullshit reasons to call Xatalos scum
yes the reasons are literally bullshit
- Then she starts entertaining the scenario where 2 scum downvoted the team (which only makes sense if sicklucker is scum)
- But she thinks Xatalos is scum.....

Like when new information comes up, townies go forward and use that information to judge the game better. Both HtS and sicklucker do the opposite, when new information comes up, suddenly noone is trustworthy anymore. Like sure, you can always argue everything is possible, like i could argue it's possible that James made a mistake and there was actually no sabotage on mission 1.... Exaggerated example but you get the gist, right?

In addition to what i said about her earlier, her considering Xatalos mafia and then entertaining a scenario where 2 mafia voted nay is just straight out unbelieveable if she is town. There is never going to be a scenario (99%) where either me or Xatalos is mafia and two other scum voted nay. Period.

Given that she is "experienced" in Resistance, she is definitely scum. Nobody does that as town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 10:49 GMT
#2214
On November 10 2015 19:37 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is absolutely no way HtS is town in this game.


I think that your Shockey scumread is either tinfoil or just out of spite.

This is your scenario:

He voted yes on a team two other spies voted no, and no on a team the 2 other spies most likely upvoted.

All your HTS is mafia with Shockey scenario has somewhat of a footing with team 1 but loses it entirely at team 2 when he voted no against HTS who you claim is scum with him. Everyone who voted no on team 2 is rightly included in your team except Shockey, and yourself who voted yes.

I have to admit I can also see why people would scumread him since I saw how he said kita had a lot more reads than Xata when kita was just listing Xata's reads, but that's a mistake that can happen to both alignments, esp. if he has little time to play.

My read on Shockeyy is based on the following:
- He has no definite reads (besides me/Xatalos -- and those reads he doesn't explain)
- Nobody can actually think the reasons he gives for those reads actually make people scum
- He leaves himself outs left and right by not giving definite reads
- His voting behavior does not line up with what he says about how he is going to vote / judge the game

- Also see kitaman's case, which already proves he does similar kinda stuff as scum

Like, if you are town, you do not lie. I think Shockeyy is not a very experienced player (no offence), so hi saying "dumb" stuff does not make him town. Him "looking too scummy to be scum" does not make him town (see for example Barakos in that one game). I understand saying bad stuff does not make him mafia either, what does make him mafia is that the stuff he says does not line up with the stuff he does!!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 10:51 GMT
#2215
If Shockeyy is town why does he not prove my case on him is wrong?
I have posted it days ago. Why does he not do that?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 11:08 GMT
#2216
On November 09 2015 07:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
No but what is scum indicative is the fact that Xata was A) on the first mission, B) still town reads Rayn after said first mission. Isn't that the same kind of stubbornness that Rayn shows? In all honesty, I can find SL to be town, but there is definitely a mafia between rayn and xata, or theyre both mafia.

Now for this next mission coming up, I really don't like the fact that Kita has a ton of mafia leans still while never giving his reads fully. Makes me question him at this point, but then there is Artanis too.

On November 09 2015 07:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I seriously would rather vote no to save us another mission failed if there is a mafia in that team. I feel like that would also give us a chance to see who rayn wants to nominate. Another thing, rayn has seemed to disappear for today.

On November 09 2015 07:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In all honesty, this is my town reads right now. Rels, SL, HtS and Myself... Straight up had to switch it.

On November 09 2015 07:59 Fidei86 wrote:
Day 2
Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination (Artanis[Xp], Rels, Kitaman27, Superbia)

Vote Result

ShoCkeyy - YES

On November 10 2015 06:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:
@everyone asking me why I voted yes, if you people would actually read instead of skim, then you would know. K thanks.

/wave Vivax


No, we would not know.
scummy scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 11:09 GMT
#2217
I literally quoted Shockeyy's last posts before the vote revelation.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 12:56 GMT
#2221
Don't care. I trust on my reads more on to what mafia might wifom.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 13:26 GMT
#2225
On November 10 2015 22:02 Xatalos wrote:
Then again, otherwise this will probably go to SL's decision -> fail..... It's like picking between ebola and AIDS....

I don't know why you would be "picking between ebola and AIDS" if you can't even make a case on why i should not include kita/Rels on my team...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 14:36 GMT
#2231
So what you are saying you voted yes AGAIN because you thought there is scum on the team.
Makes you look much better... again...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 14:49 GMT
#2238
Waste of time.
Nothing he says makes any sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 16:01 GMT
#2251
On November 11 2015 00:51 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 00:03 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 10 2015 06:31 Half the Sky wrote:
First "the scum xata wouldn't have the balls" that comes from the fact that sicklucker thought xatalos would give himself away too easily with a team of two players that were more obviously read as town. rayn even said sicklucker was obvious town, and though other players were more doubtful on sicklucker (myself included) from his OWN perspective and especially where sicklucker had a more inflated view of himself as town, this would actually make sense.

If you think about it from sicklucker's perspective it would make sense for town sicklucker to think that a scum xatalos wouldn't have the "balls" to reject a mission and given himself away in a 3-man mission team where the other two were more solidly townread.


Why do you say SL was more solidly townread? Of the people who accepted the mission:

Xatalos - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL
Half the Sky - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL
raynpelikoneet - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL
Artanis - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL

Even if you include the rejects votes, there wasn't a huge amount of SL support.

If anything, this points to a scum Xat wanting to bring along SL as the fall guy, not making a "ballsy move".

On November 10 2015 06:31 Half the Sky wrote:
He also said something else to the effect of "oh wait maybe I can trust xata if he put out a team I wanted or a team with him on it or what have you" - again I don't remember full context without opening a thousand tabs on my phone but that was another point in his favour.


You suggest that it is a point in his favor, but I'd say that it suggests he prioritizes self-inclusion over mission success.

On November 10 2015 06:31 Half the Sky wrote:
From a meta standpoint, (reference Void, Drams) scum sicklucker is concerned about giving away information on his teammates.


A few other people have already pointed this out, but I don't think this applies very well considering voting no unless he is included has the opposite effect. He doesn't have to worry about his teammate's inclusion at all if he can include himself.


I HAD 4-5 Townreads and 0 scum reads. see artanis chart. The likelyhood of me being scum with 0 scum reads is pretty small. Specifically since im sicklucker... this evidence still stands

The thing is, if you have 5 townreads you by default have three scumreads.
I am fucking sick of this game when people think they can get away with not giving scumreads, and dont realise its really easy for anyone to call 2-3 ppl town and then "idc about the rest".

L2P resistance if you dont know whats wrong with everyone only giving townreads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 16:36 GMT
#2256
On November 11 2015 01:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I just don't care what rayn has to say about me. At the end of the game i'm going to feel really shitty when rayn comes out as town and i realize i have wasted the whole game calling him mafia and doing jack else.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 16:49 GMT
#2259
Anyways i am most likely going to be away for the rest of the phase. I have tried to make people post their scumreads and reason them, but i am too tired to yell to bricks over and over again. Hopefully one of the townies outside the team that has been nominated realizes the team is all town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 16:55 GMT
#2260
Regardless of everything i am going to say if HtS and Shockeyy are both town, this town is never going to win this game. 100%.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 16:59 GMT
#2264
anyways i am srsly off now.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 17:00 GMT
#2265
On November 11 2015 01:59 Rels wrote:
Leaving work, going out tonight so see you folks tomorrow (=

I think we might be scum because i am going out too and we are leaving at the same time.
hmmm....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 10 2015 23:04 GMT
#2287
On November 11 2015 06:52 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Rayn, get your facts straight.

At no point have I ever scumread you this game.

So your saying that I'm scumreading you for bullshit reasons is completely false.

I called your play toxic and NON ALIGNMENT INDICTATIVE in a meta argument to Shockey as to why you are town.

Again your play is toxic regardless of the quality of your reads (you do not work well or foster an environment where people can show they are town) - Shockey saw you as scum indicative and I argued with examples as to why it was not.

At no point did I say it was scummy. Toxic and scummy are two different concepts.

So if you want to stretch things like you did in Titanic you only have yourself to blame especially for someone who says that I cannot read the thread properly.

*hands you a mirror*

..........
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