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raynpelikoneet
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On November 10 2015 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm not sure what's unclear about that. Yeah, that's never going to be the case. I thought all three of you were pretty scummy. Given there's always at least one scum between Rayn/Xata/SL, it is fairly unlikely for there to be three scum in there. Also I like Vivax so far since he seems to be accusing people left and right, which he likes to do as town. I think she explains both points well, but neither of them make sl town; they just make the points NAI. His posts can be interpreted in multiple ways, and sicklucker does like to talk about mafia strategy a lot as either alignment. I disagree that he's concerned about giving away information though, that's something I really haven't seen from him. What happened to your plan of nayvoting everything until it's your turn? Sorry, I still don't get it. I don't think there's any too deep meaning with the last mission's votes since almost everyone was going to down vote it anyway (even you, the proposer, since you scumread Rels in the team). | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On November 10 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't care. I trust on my reads more on to what mafia might wifom. You seemed very confident in the earlier me/SL argument though? You mean they could be trying to reproduce that argument now....? I guess it's possible. Still concerns me quite a bit.... | ||
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Xatalos
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On November 10 2015 22:02 Xatalos wrote: Then again, otherwise this will probably go to SL's decision -> fail..... It's like picking between ebola and AIDS.... I don't know why you would be "picking between ebola and AIDS" if you can't even make a case on why i should not include kita/Rels on my team... | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On November 10 2015 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know why you would be "picking between ebola and AIDS" if you can't even make a case on why i should not include kita/Rels on my team... Mainly just that I'm not that confident on them + SL/HTS endorsing this team. It's not like it's the worst team in itself. Just not the best, and endorsed by the two most likely scum :/ | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Why are you suspicious of kita ? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On November 10 2015 18:58 Rels wrote: First, I'll explain my thinking, but I'll expect you to explain your Arta townread in return. Second, my read on you is really different from his read on me. I suspected you for something logical; and rescinded it when proven wrong. Artanis is not doing that; his vaguely saying "Rels seems to be posting without a direction", quotes two posts that apparently prove it, and then does nothing with it. It really looks like he decided I will be his scumread, then went ahead and decided why. Third, him nominating a team YOU proposed over what he thinks is scum indicative. You gave him the excuse of not thinking about anything and just roll out with it. He explains it with "Oh but I was doing a reaction test"; reaction test that didn't give him any result. About the "sure town" vs "maybe town" stuff, I think mafia!Arta doesn't care which townie goes with him, so that's NAI. To expand from town vs scum mentality, he threw away his nomination chance, when the next leader is you that he townreads, so that might be OK from his POV; but the next three are Shockey (a potential scum from his POV), me (a scumread) and SL (who said he would include me, a scumread, in his team). Him throwing his team away for a "reaction test" means he ditched his one of two chances to have a team he agrees with. If he's town, this doesn't make sense. If he's scum, he's either with you or SL; you because he wouldn't care about his team since you can probably get a team approved with yourself in it, or SL who has the last vote. I would expect him to convince people to vote NO today if he's scum with SL. Rayn is never mafia in this game. I don't think the way he raged at HtS and the game in general, then actually still coming back and playing the game again is something he'd do as scum. I also feel like the way he goes after people is very townraynish. He gets upset at people over using shitty logic and I don't think he fakes that kind of emotion. I'm actually not that sure on you anymore because as I mentioned earlier for some reason I had 3 scumreads outside the initial 3 and I think HtS is very likely scum. Shockeyy also seems likely to be scum, though his brash I don't really care about anything attitude does make me wonder. As you may have noticed, I don't actually have that much time. I've addressed my scumread on you plenty of times when I have been here. As Rayn observed, any team I would've submitted would've likely been nayvoted. SL already had his excuse ready to no-vote for a team with Rayn in it and another one (I think it was Shockeyy?) also had a scumread on Rayn so he would've had a reason to vote no as well. This way, at least we could get some information from the vote. I also elaborated on which information I got out of it in my exchange with Xatalos. As for Shockeyy/Rels/SL being the last there team nominations, I hadn't actually stopped to think and look into that yet honestly. I figured with 4 more nominations after mine we'd be fine either way really. Regarding the vote: I'm toying with the idea of voting yay for it. Reasons being that so many people already indicated they may vote yay that if there's a scum on the mission, it's probably going to get the go ahead anyway and the only chance it doesn't get accepted is if it's actually pure. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On November 10 2015 19:20 Vivax wrote: Why do you say this? I posted more townreads than suspects. Actually I phrased it wrongly. What I meant was that you're going in against town consensus right off the bat and doing your own thing, whereas as scum you're more privy to town sentiment in general. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On November 10 2015 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, we would not know. scummy scum. These aren't my last posts. You obviously only quoted what you wanted to quote to just make yourself look good... | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Makes you look much better... again...  | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On November 10 2015 22:49 Rels wrote: Xata, why are you suspicious of me ? Why are you suspicious of kita ? The NO votes look good for you two, it's just not on the level of a confident townread. Kita for being so vague and non-committal throughout the game, and you because your recent scumgames looked pretty similar to this game too (very active and engaged..). Now that I think about it, though, scum HTS would have had no good reason to put scum Kita into the first team.... So that gives kita a bit more credibility at least. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On November 10 2015 23:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: These aren't my last posts. You obviously only quoted what you wanted to quote to just make yourself look good... As far as I can tell, I can only find these two other posts: On November 09 2015 07:32 ShoCkeyy wrote: I said yes. If the mission fails, there's definitely an Xata/Artanis chance. On November 09 2015 07:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: Reason why I say that is because I suggested this team a while back. Not voting yes will look bad on my end anyways, plus if Artanis is mafia, then it was an easy decision for him to insert into team. Neither of them really explain why you voted yes to the mission. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On November 10 2015 23:39 Xatalos wrote: The NO votes look good for you two, it's just not on the level of a confident townread. Kita for being so vague and non-committal throughout the game, and you because your recent scumgames looked pretty similar to this game too (very active and engaged..). Now that I think about it, though, scum HTS would have had no good reason to put scum Kita into the first team.... So that gives kita a bit more credibility at least. Uhh.. you're not townreading him because he's being active and engaged which he's done as scum? I'm not sure those are good parameters to go off of. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 10 2015 22:02 Xatalos wrote: Then again, otherwise this will probably go to SL's decision -> fail..... It's like picking between ebola and AIDS.... Just to be clear, am I the Ebola or the AIDS in this metaphor? This is very important. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On November 10 2015 23:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: It says it there in that post exactly... Kita asked me what team would I rather see up. Artanis uses my list and nominates them. I vote yes because I said I would like to see this team go up. I started to lean to no towards the end. I kept my yes cause either way I knew people were going to vote no. But it doesn't really make sense since you throw hesitation on whether you townread me or not in that post, and from your earlier reads post, only Rels was on the mission. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Nothing he says makes any sense. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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This is how I can tell none of you read anything and just skin shit. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 10 2015 06:31 Half the Sky wrote: First "the scum xata wouldn't have the balls" that comes from the fact that sicklucker thought xatalos would give himself away too easily with a team of two players that were more obviously read as town. rayn even said sicklucker was obvious town, and though other players were more doubtful on sicklucker (myself included) from his OWN perspective and especially where sicklucker had a more inflated view of himself as town, this would actually make sense. If you think about it from sicklucker's perspective it would make sense for town sicklucker to think that a scum xatalos wouldn't have the "balls" to reject a mission and given himself away in a 3-man mission team where the other two were more solidly townread. Why do you say SL was more solidly townread? Of the people who accepted the mission: Xatalos - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL Half the Sky - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL raynpelikoneet - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL Artanis - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL Even if you include the rejects votes, there wasn't a huge amount of SL support. If anything, this points to a scum Xat wanting to bring along SL as the fall guy, not making a "ballsy move". On November 10 2015 06:31 Half the Sky wrote: He also said something else to the effect of "oh wait maybe I can trust xata if he put out a team I wanted or a team with him on it or what have you" - again I don't remember full context without opening a thousand tabs on my phone but that was another point in his favour. You suggest that it is a point in his favor, but I'd say that it suggests he prioritizes self-inclusion over mission success. On November 10 2015 06:31 Half the Sky wrote: From a meta standpoint, (reference Void, Drams) scum sicklucker is concerned about giving away information on his teammates. A few other people have already pointed this out, but I don't think this applies very well considering voting no unless he is included has the opposite effect. He doesn't have to worry about his teammate's inclusion at all if he can include himself. | ||
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