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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 15 2015 20:39 GMT
#3181
likei f hts is scum i want her to win anyway. shes doing things that a scum should not need to do
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 15 2015 20:42 GMT
#3182
ok ya lets downvote this and ill put up vivax/hts/coag/shockey
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 15 2015 20:42 GMT
#3183
On November 16 2015 05:39 sicklucker wrote:
likei f hts is scum i want her to win anyway. shes doing things that a scum should not need to do


Like saying yes to every failteam and peasant?
That sounds like something scum needs to do.

Maybe the solution to this game is just to downvote whenever she upvotes and the other way around.

Honestly I want to hear more from kita. His voting record is pretty cool besides mission 2 and I don't discard any option when we're close to the endgame.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 15 2015 20:43 GMT
#3184
On November 16 2015 05:38 sicklucker wrote:
kita DO YOU HAVE ANY READS IN THIS GAME?


Yeah?

Town:
Kita
HTS
Rels
Shockeyy (?)
SL (based on Xata being in the below group mostly.)

Mafia:
Artanis
Xatalos

I'm still trying to think through Vivax and rayn more.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 15 2015 20:45 GMT
#3185
hts has made more sense and played 100x better then all of them so yes fuck votes
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 15 2015 20:47 GMT
#3186
The 2 camps I mentioned are all we need to work with for now.

Wanna know why? Cause it's impossible that any scum on the right team voted no to a scum to the left team, that would be idiotic.

That takes back what I said about 1 scum bussing being dangerous. In fact we KNOW that one team has to be spy and the other town.

Unless Coag is spy and forgot to vote. Why do you think I was tinfoiling on rayn? Cause Coag isn't playing this game.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 15 2015 20:47 GMT
#3187
combos of teams i see are like xata/rels/art xata/rels/kita thats pretty much it acualy im down to those two
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 15 2015 20:49 GMT
#3188
On November 16 2015 05:47 Vivax wrote:
The 2 camps I mentioned are all we need to work with for now.

Wanna know why? Cause it's impossible that any scum on the right team voted no to a scum to the left team, that would be idiotic.

That takes back what I said about 1 scum bussing being dangerous. In fact we KNOW that one team has to be spy and the other town.

Unless Coag is spy and forgot to vote. Why do you think I was tinfoiling on rayn? Cause Coag isn't playing this game.


if you think the sides are alligned then xatas side is always the scum anyway. but i think arts been potentially trying to town side and its not worth the risk
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 15 2015 20:49 GMT
#3189
On November 16 2015 05:47 sicklucker wrote:
combos of teams i see are like xata/rels/art xata/rels/kita thats pretty much it acualy im down to those two


But then Artanis would have wanted the left team to pass without any spy being in it.

So you will have to stick to Xata/rels/kita, no reason Artanis would want your all town team to pass but he did.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 15 2015 20:51 GMT
#3190
? he could play the long game and try to get himself on mission 5. Thats what im saying hes doing. Because if he votes yes and the mission passes then we are always gonna include him on the last mission
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 15 2015 20:53 GMT
#3191
On November 16 2015 05:43 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:38 sicklucker wrote:
kita DO YOU HAVE ANY READS IN THIS GAME?


Yeah?

Town:
Kita
HTS
Rels
Shockeyy (?)
SL (based on Xata being in the below group mostly.)

Mafia:
Artanis
Xatalos

I'm still trying to think through Vivax and rayn more.


Same here, why should Artanis in your opinion vote yes to Shockey's team who in your scenario is all town anyway?

If I'm mafia why should I vote no? What's there to think about?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 15 2015 20:57 GMT
#3192
Its the garanteed mafia win. If that team passes then team 5 will include him and mafia wins
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 15 2015 20:58 GMT
#3193
if he votes yes on mission 3 (hts,vivax,me,shockey) then on mission five we would include him over coag who voted no
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 15 2015 20:59 GMT
#3194
On November 14 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 00:40 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 13 2015 16:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wait, I answered all your questions, you apparently didn't have any more yet now I'm basically confirmed scum to you? Explain yourself.


[list]
[*]You push suspicion on shockeyy when he questions Rels about the rayn read making a generic statement, rather than considering that he is simply trying to understand the discrepancy.

I said that the way he was pushing it, he seemed to be trying to bury Rels. That's how I read it.


I read it as you trying to bury shockeyy.

On November 14 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
[*]Your interaction with Xatalos regarding the day one nomination is very scummy. He asks you directly if you are fine being excluded and you reply yes, stating that we're going to nominate four people next mission so it's not all that important. This is not a town mindset in my opinion. Since that group of three players had at least one spy, it suggests you were more concerned about not having the overlap with two spies in the first mission.

I've explained this before. I thought all three players were likely town. If I was correct in that, I got to nominate myself the day after with the group and win the game. I took a risk in presuming all three were town and it didn't pay off, but the logic is certainly there. You're simply framing it in a mafia mindset when the townie mindset is obvious.


That's such an unnecessary risk though. You could have insisted on being in the group of three, if it passes then you find a forth to bring along. If it fails, then you have a mafia within a pool of two players. By excluding yourself, you double the chance that the first mission fails and have a larger pool to analyze. Furthermore, even if you liked that group of three, the obvious town response is to fail and then send it through again once you have the vote information.

On November 14 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
[*]After creating your chart, you town read sicklucker for being open and aggressive and pledge your support behind the day one team. However your chart shows that sicklucker has a single strong scum read on xatalos. When sicklucker drops the scum read on xatalos after he is included, you don't think anything of it.

The chart was a single moment in time. Sicklucker had been open and aggressive.


I think Xata is scum, but if he includes me then I'll pass the mission is not an "open" mindset like you explain. You never questioned SL's weird swap and are way too content to have him included over yourself.

On November 14 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
[*]When it comes up your turn to suggest a nomination, you decide to throw it away by letting rayn talk you into excluding the player who you seem to have the strongest town read for. You say you suggested the team because you wanted it to fail to gain information. However, on day one when there was a large amount of information to be gained and less content in the thread to go by, you decided to pass the mission. Furthermore, there is little sense of concern about accidentally having the mission go through when you didn't want it to. The information gained from your nomination after it failed was negligible.

I didn't have time on Day 1. Monday through Wednesday are very busy days for me. I can keep repeating that if you want. Furthermore, no team that I wanted that I could suggest would go through. By sending a mission that would not pass through, there'd be more days to gather information and I'd have more time to actually get more accurate reads as well as make myself townread and get on a mission I favour.


If information is the goal here and you want more time, then why didn't that reasoning apply to mission 1 like I say?

On November 14 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
[*]When the same exact mission with rayn subbed out for yourself comes up, you provide very little input regarding how people should vote. You state that you didn't nominate the team of artanis/super/rayn/kita because you were still not sure about super. This doesn't really seem to change in the next 24 hours. However, when the rayn/rels/super/kita team comes up you vote no, but make little effort to make sure the mission doesn't pass. The no vote sets you up to look townie going into cycle three, while still allowing the vote to go through by staying quiet.

So now I'm being scumread for voting no on a mission with scum on it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you came into this analysis with a made up mind already. I'm sorry that I didn't have the time to push hard on not wanting the mission to go through. That doesn't actually make me scum.


Strawman. I'm not saying that you are being scumread for voting no, I'm saying that you are being scum read for not wanting a team to go through, yet doing nothing about it. Even if you don't have the time to push hard, it only takes 30 seconds to share you objection. You take the credit for the voting record yet are content with it going through.

On November 14 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
[*]After town reading me the entire game, you state that I should be excluded by cherry picking my post when I made the assumption that I'm town. Of course I'm going to assume I'm town. You then apply a process of elimination read by stating that Xata/Super cannot be scum buddies, therefore it is likely that Xata/Kita could be scum buddies. You state that the Xata/Super interaction has no benefit, but they both came out on good terms in the thread and Super earned a lot of town points based on the little spat they had. However, you fail to consider that the Xata/Kita interaction has very little actual benefit, by dismissing it as a bus of sorts.

Outcome does not matter, it's the mindset going into it that matters. I really don't believe any scum player, especially Superbia would come up with the idea of "let's attack Xatalos for some awkward wording he made and keep hammering on about it for no reason, I'm sure that's going to get me so much towncred!" I really don't. Scumreading eachother is also not as big a deal in Resistance as it is in real mafia, since it only matters to get on a mission yourself.


Well I'm not arguing that Xata/Super are buddies, so again you are misrepresenting my argument. I'm saying the way you apply their interaction to somehow conclude that I'm mafia is the scummy part.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 15 2015 21:07 GMT
#3195
I'm just going to wait for the votes, see you in 2 hours. That should be a good time for the US to be around and active.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 15 2015 21:14 GMT
#3196
On November 16 2015 05:53 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:43 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:38 sicklucker wrote:
kita DO YOU HAVE ANY READS IN THIS GAME?


Yeah?

Town:
Kita
HTS
Rels
Shockeyy (?)
SL (based on Xata being in the below group mostly.)

Mafia:
Artanis
Xatalos

I'm still trying to think through Vivax and rayn more.


Same here, why should Artanis in your opinion vote yes to Shockey's team who in your scenario is all town anyway?

If I'm mafia why should I vote no? What's there to think about?


Well arta town reads each of the nominated players so voting no and then being on the wrong side of a passed mission could lose the game. Similarly, he would have a lot of explaining to do if the mission failed.

As for you, if you weren't positive there were enough votes to pass, then you could wifom yourself with the "if I'm scum I could have won last night" argument. That being said, I think you had a valid reason to justify a yes vote so I'm willing to consider that you could be town, which would require rethinking rayn or rels.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 15 2015 21:16 GMT
#3197
I think the whole Rels "bahaha I trapped you HTS with my crappy nomination" thing was a bit over dramatic. Maybe it was a hail marry. Like I said, gotta reread a bit.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 15 2015 21:38 GMT
#3198
I'm voting yes and the reason? No Coag on the team. Coag hasn't even posted...
Life?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 15 2015 21:52 GMT
#3199
meh I'm going to just vote yes as well. I'm ready for this to be over XD
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 23:04:13
November 15 2015 23:00 GMT
#3200
Day 3
Rels' Team (Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey)

Vote Result

Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - NO
Artanis[Xp] - YES
Coagulation - NO
ShoCkeyy - YES
Rels - NO
sicklucker - NO
kitaman27 - NO
Vivax - NO

MISSION IS REJECTED

Day 3
sicklucker's Nomination Phase

Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 16 November 2015.
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