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Any ideas for how to make that happen :/
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Meh. If someone could make a read chart or something, then maybe we could find a decent majority team...
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On November 09 2015 22:06 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 21:57 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy 10/10 team, will pass. On November 09 2015 21:30 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 20:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission.... You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels? He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no. On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been? Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia. Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree. Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down? Which vote? The one we just had that failed. I'm not quite sure what else it could've possibly been? Oh, I thought you perhaps meant the failed mission, not the recent nomination. I don't think there's much to it. It was going to be down voted anyways so scum could have done pretty much whatever they wanted? Surely there's still something they want to show with their votes though? Do you think that the votes have no meaning whatsoever? I think the team kind of lost its legitimacy when you put your own scumread in it?  So since even you were apparently going to down vote it, I don't think it could have really been made to pass...... rayn seems to have given up and just votes YES on anything, SL votes NO until he gets to pick the team, shockeyy's vote makes no sense.... Meh. Did you get something interesting out of it?
Eh, I don't think I was super clear that I was going to downvote it? Rels didn't seem to understand my intention behind it at least. And like I said, I do think that it says something about SL.
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I guess Kita made one a while back. I'll go check.
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On November 09 2015 22:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:06 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 21:57 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy 10/10 team, will pass. On November 09 2015 21:30 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 20:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission.... You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels? He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no. On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:
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If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been?
Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia. Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree. Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down? Which vote? The one we just had that failed. I'm not quite sure what else it could've possibly been? Oh, I thought you perhaps meant the failed mission, not the recent nomination. I don't think there's much to it. It was going to be down voted anyways so scum could have done pretty much whatever they wanted? Surely there's still something they want to show with their votes though? Do you think that the votes have no meaning whatsoever? I think the team kind of lost its legitimacy when you put your own scumread in it? So since even you were apparently going to down vote it, I don't think it could have really been made to pass...... rayn seems to have given up and just votes YES on anything, SL votes NO until he gets to pick the team, shockeyy's vote makes no sense.... Meh. Did you get something interesting out of it? Eh, I don't think I was super clear that I was going to downvote it? Rels didn't seem to understand my intention behind it at least. And like I said, I do think that it says something about SL.
Well hard to think you would vote YES while your scumread was in it?
The SL thing.... I guess so.
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On November 09 2015 22:17 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 22:06 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 21:57 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy 10/10 team, will pass. On November 09 2015 21:30 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 20:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels?
He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no.
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Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia. Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree. Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down? Which vote? The one we just had that failed. I'm not quite sure what else it could've possibly been? Oh, I thought you perhaps meant the failed mission, not the recent nomination. I don't think there's much to it. It was going to be down voted anyways so scum could have done pretty much whatever they wanted? Surely there's still something they want to show with their votes though? Do you think that the votes have no meaning whatsoever? I think the team kind of lost its legitimacy when you put your own scumread in it? So since even you were apparently going to down vote it, I don't think it could have really been made to pass...... rayn seems to have given up and just votes YES on anything, SL votes NO until he gets to pick the team, shockeyy's vote makes no sense.... Meh. Did you get something interesting out of it? Eh, I don't think I was super clear that I was going to downvote it? Rels didn't seem to understand my intention behind it at least. And like I said, I do think that it says something about SL. Well hard to think you would vote YES while your scumread was in it? The SL thing.... I guess so.
I would imagine you'd fight me a little harder on the SL thing given that you feel Rayn is still basically confirmed town. Do you have any doubt in that at all?
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kitaman what do you want me to pick?
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Actually the previous suggestion seems pretty close to a universal townread list.... But it wasn't even close to getting approved either. Meh. I guess this town has some serious trust issues. Not that I'm free of them myself...
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Question to everyone:
What would need to have changed in the previous suggestion for it to have been YES voted by you?
(As for me: preferably Kita/Rels replaced by me/rayn)
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On November 09 2015 22:28 Xatalos wrote:
Question to everyone:
What would need to have changed in the previous suggestion for it to have been YES voted by you?
(As for me: preferably Kita/Rels replaced by me/rayn)
The team I'd be most comfortable with was what I suggested but with rayn instead of rels. I figured it wasn't going to pass though, and there's still doubts in me about Super, which is why I did what I did.
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Rayn this should be Kita's reads....
As for me I'd say that I'm leaning on SL being the scum from mission two, with Xata being the secondary suspect if SL is town. I'm still leaning mafia on Shockyy and the remaining mafia would be in a pool of HTS/super/Artanis.
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On November 09 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:28 Xatalos wrote:
Question to everyone:
What would need to have changed in the previous suggestion for it to have been YES voted by you?
(As for me: preferably Kita/Rels replaced by me/rayn) The team I'd be most comfortable with was what I suggested but with rayn instead of rels. I figured it wasn't going to pass though, and there's still doubts in me about Super, which is why I did what I did.
K... Who would you replace super with?
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So I guess Kita's suggestion then would be logically Kita+rayn+Rels+????
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On November 09 2015 22:37 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 22:28 Xatalos wrote:
Question to everyone:
What would need to have changed in the previous suggestion for it to have been YES voted by you?
(As for me: preferably Kita/Rels replaced by me/rayn) The team I'd be most comfortable with was what I suggested but with rayn instead of rels. I figured it wasn't going to pass though, and there's still doubts in me about Super, which is why I did what I did. K... Who would you replace super with?
That's kind of the issue. If I'm wrong on Super either HtS or Rels is town. Since I'm uncertain between SL/you it makes it pretty hard to find the alternative. I guess I'd still go for you though, mostly based on Rayn's strong townread of you.
Also, please answer
On November 09 2015 22:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:17 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 22:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 22:06 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 21:57 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy 10/10 team, will pass. On November 09 2015 21:30 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 20:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:
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Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree. Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down? Which vote? The one we just had that failed. I'm not quite sure what else it could've possibly been? Oh, I thought you perhaps meant the failed mission, not the recent nomination. I don't think there's much to it. It was going to be down voted anyways so scum could have done pretty much whatever they wanted? Surely there's still something they want to show with their votes though? Do you think that the votes have no meaning whatsoever? I think the team kind of lost its legitimacy when you put your own scumread in it? So since even you were apparently going to down vote it, I don't think it could have really been made to pass...... rayn seems to have given up and just votes YES on anything, SL votes NO until he gets to pick the team, shockeyy's vote makes no sense.... Meh. Did you get something interesting out of it? Eh, I don't think I was super clear that I was going to downvote it? Rels didn't seem to understand my intention behind it at least. And like I said, I do think that it says something about SL. Well hard to think you would vote YES while your scumread was in it? The SL thing.... I guess so. I would imagine you'd fight me a little harder on the SL thing given that you feel Rayn is still basically confirmed town. Do you have any doubt in that at all?
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I'm not really even sure what you're saying about SL there?
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On November 09 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not really even sure what you're saying about SL there?
If SL is mafia, he downvoted a team that most likely has a mafia on it (since Rayn/Xata weren't on the team, he'd have to be with exactly HtS/Shockeyy for that not to be the case).
Shockeyy also voted yes to the team which suggests that if he's mafia, there is a mafia on the team making that possibility even less likely.
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Hold on
I just realized one of HtS/Rels/Shockeyy is always town.
I'm not sure why I didn't realize that before.
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Now I'm left wondering if Shockey could possibly be town.
I'll go and look into that after work I guess.
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On November 09 2015 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 07:11 Half the Sky wrote:On November 09 2015 07:05 Rels wrote:On November 09 2015 06:57 Half the Sky wrote:
So both of you are scumreading each other for dodging questions? Am I reading that right? I think I can see what Artanis is doing with #2 tbh, but seeing people hesistant to show all their cards to a potential scumread is not something I consider scum indicative. Source on arta scumreading me for dodging plz. OH SHIT. I just read post #1962. No I misread with all those line breaks. Disregard that last post then. And then I see this explanation from Artanis. I have explained why I think you're likely scum. The gist of it comes down to how it seems like you're just throwing shit at everyone and seeing what sticks, and how you seem to be posting just to be posting. That "vote analysis" thing I dissected was an example of that. If I'm following those line breaks correctly, oh god that is a bad explanation from Artanis. I don't agree with that explanation. Why don't you agree with the explanation?
I just saw this :/
I honestly don't know where you get the idea that Rels is showing shit at everyone. I know or at least have a better idea that why his read on me is bad aside from what he's saying about the mission 2 votes but when I looked at his filter with fresh eyes (and for once, not horribly pressed for time) I felt there was some purpose to his post.
I would put Xatalos WAY the hell closer to the category of posting just to post as opposed to Rels.
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I'm thinking based on post #1316 I would put up the following team:
Kita/Shockey/Rels/Rayn
If people are smart enough to re-consider Shockey, this team will pass and this mission should pass.
That leaves Artanis and myself out (again I'm in a 5v3 mentality) with people doubting the mission 1 votes.
Kita/Rayn are near universally townread.
Rels is mostly townread.
3 of those people downvoted the failed mission and the only person - Rayn - who passed it is universally townread (and I'm again, confident he's town).
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