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On November 09 2015 08:52 Xatalos wrote:
Well now it's rayn's turn then.
I actually hope it's something good that he proposes. The next leaders are shockeyy, Rels and SL.... Kind of hard to believe an all-town team would come from them considering their reads, even if there might be town among the three.
I still think the team should include myself+rayn.... Maybe, maybe I could accept a team without us if the reasoning is very good. SL should never be on the mission, neither HTS IMO... And shockeyy would be a huge risk as well. Any other combination could theoretically be workable..... I guess we'll have to gamble on the nulls.
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anyway if your town you vote no here because its dumb to let a guy who failed pick the mission
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also rayn basically picked the mission that failed because artanis had his nose in his butt
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 09 2015 08:24 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 03:01 kitaman27 wrote:
It's getting a bit difficult to parse the thread. Would everyone say this is a reasonable reflection of their current reads? You can respond after the vote if you wish. Clarifications would be helpful on the ones with (???)
ShoCkeyy
rayn/HTS
rels/kita/artanis/super
Xata/SL (???)
Half the Sky
Artanis, kita, rayn, SL
Xatalos/Shockeyy
Super/Rels (???)
Rels
HTS/Arta/SL
kita/shockeyy/super/xata
rayn (???)
Artanis[Xp]
Xatalos
Sicklucker
2 scum out of shockeyy/HTS/Superbia/Rels/kita
Artanis, rayn
Superbia
Xatalos//Kita/Artanis/Rels
One of SL/rayn + Shockeyy
HTS ???
raynpelikoneet
artanis, Xata, super, kita, Rels
Shockeyy, SL, HTS
sicklucker
Shockyy/Xatalos/kita
artanis/rayn/rels/super/hts
As for me I'd say that I'm leaning on SL being the scum from mission two, with Xata being the secondary suspect if SL is town. I'm still leaning mafia on Shockyy and the remaining mafia would be in a pool of HTS/super/Artanis. Btw why am I missing from this list >.> Overall, I'd be much more interested to hear your own reads rather than listing others' reads.
You were there. I did miss listing Artanis though. I'm still not totally sure what he is thinking based on the most recent post that he didn't want his team to pass.
My reads were at the bottom if you missed it.
Right now I'd prefer a team something like kita/rels/rayn + 1 of HTS/super/Artanis. I'm still not sure which of those three I'd bring along.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things.
If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 09 2015 07:23 Half the Sky wrote:
In a world where Rels is town, does a Xatalos/Artanis/TBD team make sense? Food for thought and for future reference.
Initially I thought the best reason to draw the connection would be his choice to nominate SL over Artanis. Four or five times in a row Xata lists SL/Artanis in the same sentence when discussing nominations. He continues to list them both as null or townish null and states that his choice will depend on their posting. However, in the end he goes with SL without a clear explanation of the preference. Overall they don't interact with each other a ton, but there was this post after nominations. I thought the explanation was kinda lame.
On November 04 2015 21:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 21:01 Xatalos wrote:
You're fine with not being on the mission, Artanis? I townread all three of you and we're going to have to nominate three people that aren't me in all future missions, so why not?
The problem though is the argument falls apart when you consider that a scum Xata would likely choose a town SL as the setup guy, so Artanis's alignment isn't as relevant because he would likely be excluded if he were town or mafia.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 09 2015 07:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Now for this next mission coming up, I really don't like the fact that Kita has a ton of mafia leans still while never giving his reads fully. Makes me question him at this point, but then there is Artanis too.
I'd say two mafia reads plus a third in a pool of three players isn't a ton, is it? Is there anything that you'd like me to clear up?
Also, it's not totally clear why you voted yes today. Could you go into why you wanted it to pass a bit more?
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On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission....
You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels?
He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no.
On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been?
Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia.
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On November 09 2015 07:59 Fidei86 wrote:
Day 2
Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination (Artanis[Xp], Rels, Kitaman27, Superbia)
Vote Result
Half the Sky - NO
Xatalos - NO
Artanis[Xp] - NO
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - YES
Rels - NO
sicklucker - NO
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO
MISSION IS REJECTED
Day 2
raynpelikoneet's Nomination Phase
Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 9 November 2015.
Sockey what did you vote YES ? I'm pretty sure you said just before that you were suspicious of Arta ?
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On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things.
So what did you learn ?
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On November 09 2015 08:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 07:01 Rels wrote:
No here is why arta is probably scum:
- voting yes to a failure team while not in said failure team
- his read on me is super convenient and is based on nothing strong
- he nominated a team without me; rayn tells him to nominate me; he argues that he thinks I am scum, then he nominates me anyway -Explained my reasoning already. Doesn't make me scum. -My reasoning is plain to see and I pushed you on it. -Explained this just now.
Well you can have all the reasoning in the world, you're still scum 'cause your reasonning sucks (= you think I'm scum for weak reasons. It's especially weird that you don't seem to push suspicions on HTS that much, which if you're town is 99% scum, the 1% being "2 scums voted NO" or "2 scums were on the first team". Your reasoning for nominating the team was "OK I'll follow rayn so I don't have to explain anything".
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Not much time to play today; I'll restate that I'll vote NO to any team containing either HTS or Arta. My prefered setup would countain 3 from the NO voters and 1 from the failed team.
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On November 09 2015 17:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. So what did you learn ?
Actually thinking about it, I think it makes SL slightly more likely to be town. He mentioned how he thinks Rayn/Xata can both be scum and he wanted a team outside of those two. Presuming SL is scum, with 4 people nominated outside of the group the chances of one of his scumbuddies being in there is high. It would only make sense for him to vote no if his scumteam exists exactly out of Shockeyy/HtS, but if that's the case why did Shockeyy vote YES to the mission?
The reason I don't want to draw the conclusion too strongly is that I feel it was pretty clear from thread sentiment that the mission would likely not get the go ahead.
On November 09 2015 17:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 07:01 Rels wrote:
No here is why arta is probably scum:
- voting yes to a failure team while not in said failure team
- his read on me is super convenient and is based on nothing strong
- he nominated a team without me; rayn tells him to nominate me; he argues that he thinks I am scum, then he nominates me anyway -Explained my reasoning already. Doesn't make me scum. -My reasoning is plain to see and I pushed you on it. -Explained this just now. Well you can have all the reasoning in the world, you're still scum 'cause your reasonning sucks (= you think I'm scum for weak reasons. It's especially weird that you don't seem to push suspicions on HTS that much, which if you're town is 99% scum, the 1% being "2 scums voted NO" or "2 scums were on the first team". Your reasoning for nominating the team was "OK I'll follow rayn so I don't have to explain anything".
My reasoning makes perfect sense from a town perspective. Just because there's a possible mafia motivation too doesn't actually make that automatically true. My reasons for pushing you are fine, as for not pushing HtS as much: Rayn is the next person to pick. He's never going to pick HtS, whereas he might pick you, therefore focussing on you makes more sense.
As for the reasoning on the picks, I've gone into that already. If you actually think that makes me scummy you're not playing very well.
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On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission.... You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels? He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no. Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been? Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia.
Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree.
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On November 09 2015 11:16 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:24 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 03:01 kitaman27 wrote:
It's getting a bit difficult to parse the thread. Would everyone say this is a reasonable reflection of their current reads? You can respond after the vote if you wish. Clarifications would be helpful on the ones with (???)
ShoCkeyy
rayn/HTS
rels/kita/artanis/super
Xata/SL (???)
Half the Sky
Artanis, kita, rayn, SL
Xatalos/Shockeyy
Super/Rels (???)
Rels
HTS/Arta/SL
kita/shockeyy/super/xata
rayn (???)
Artanis[Xp]
Xatalos
Sicklucker
2 scum out of shockeyy/HTS/Superbia/Rels/kita
Artanis, rayn
Superbia
Xatalos//Kita/Artanis/Rels
One of SL/rayn + Shockeyy
HTS ???
raynpelikoneet
artanis, Xata, super, kita, Rels
Shockeyy, SL, HTS
sicklucker
Shockyy/Xatalos/kita
artanis/rayn/rels/super/hts
As for me I'd say that I'm leaning on SL being the scum from mission two, with Xata being the secondary suspect if SL is town. I'm still leaning mafia on Shockyy and the remaining mafia would be in a pool of HTS/super/Artanis.Btw why am I missing from this list >.> Overall, I'd be much more interested to hear your own reads rather than listing others' reads. You were there. I did miss listing Artanis though. I'm still not totally sure what he is thinking based on the most recent post that he didn't want his team to pass. My reads were at the bottom if you missed it. Right now I'd prefer a team something like kita/rels/rayn + 1 of HTS/super/Artanis. I'm still not sure which of those three I'd bring along.
Still don't see myself there >.>
Would be nice to hear your reasoning too, not just the conclusion?
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On November 09 2015 10:20 sicklucker wrote:
anyway if your town you vote no here because its dumb to let a guy who failed pick the mission
I don't think rayn failed though. But I guess you're voting NO regardless so.... 
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On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission.... You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels? He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no. On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been? Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia. Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree.
Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down?
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So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy
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On November 09 2015 20:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission.... You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels? He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no. On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been? Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia. Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree. Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down?
Which vote?
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On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy
Quite a curious nomination. Another reaction test, or you don't think any other team can pass at this point......?
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