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MoosyDoosy
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On November 18 2015 13:36 Breshke wrote: Also when you say Do you mean you think they are mafia together or that he is treating farah as town even though he said its a null read because he knows they are town. Farah is Mafia. I have a stronger read on Farah than disformation. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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On November 18 2015 13:47 Breshke wrote: What do you think of this then moosey? I have some thoughts but want to see what you say first wow congrats for pulling up something in my case that I just accidentally lost! go to filter and look at the very next post after that. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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1. First things first. Weird gambit at the start of the game Yes I am bringing this up again. If we look at Farah’s game prior to this one, she is definitely not the sort of player to be making strange gambits and instead highly criticized my own play from last game for acting strange and essentially anti-town (much like what I did here but slightly worse). Seeing this, it immediately struck me as different from her usual play. However, this can be explained in and of itself as beginning of Day, etc, etc. BUT what comes after is her very weird explanation for her strange play. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Because game was boring and at least tried to generate some content. I'll pressure until I get a read one way or another. And then I shall go forward accordingly Farah is stating that she was being serious about her post in order to draw reactions. As a result, the excuse of D1 can’t be used here. However, her post was exactly the third post in the thread, so how could she have thought that the thread was boring? Obviously there would be no content when the game JUST started. What’s stranger after this is how she immediately backs out of her situation with the following posts: + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote Ok I have my read now. Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. Farah is attempting to get out of the situation by saying she got her read while simultaneously flinging mud at everyone pushing on her. This is a typical way to try and discredit someone to make them feel like shit in order to get them off of your back. Now, let’s say we listen to what Farah said about taking the initiative and trying to make the game productive and leaping right in. However, you have to ask the following question. Would someone who took the “initiative” and went ahead to try and push the game forwards say that they “don’t care” about the game? + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do. And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks. I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. Farah tried to portray herself as someone that cared about the game and pushed it forwards by testing reactions. But this contradicts what she says later about not caring about the game! She is trying to put on two acts but fails to do so. 2. Gives a ton of advice on roles but then says their use is bad. Farah gives a TON of advice on how roles should be used and is essentially the first and main person in the thread to advocate for a cop/vig on me. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 09:22 FarahBlackwing wrote: Sure he could, but shoot him/cop check him instead of using a lynch on him if you are so inclined. On November 18 2015 01:17 FarahBlackwing wrote: You deal with people like moos the same way every game, you cop check him or you shoot him and spend d1 on other players. ##Vote Scott31337 We can point to the other games moos has played and compare them to some degree and yes his anger here is somewhat close to what it was when he bussed his whole team. However he has a clear objective in this game which is to push me, he cares very little for his survivor and is pushing for himself to be lynched to an extent which probably will come to fruition. While its not necessarily a good heuristic it does exist that mafia players (moos included) like to survive, especially someone like moos who likes playing as mafia. In his last mafia game from what I can understand he did show anger martyr but when pressure slowly left him he continued to try to survive and push his team mate, and at some points just leaving the thread. Here whats his plan exactly? To push me care very little for his survival and fuck off. It seems more like a town not really caring that he rolled town rather than a mafia who wants to survive the day phase. As to my vote on scott, I think hes quite possibly the best choice today. I do not have a huge lead as to who I think is the scummiest but i'm willing to listen to other cases currently but between scott and moos I would pick scott. On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard. But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least. On November 18 2015 04:40 FarahBlackwing wrote: Just let the vig cop fgure moos (who I think is town) and scott out (who I think might be scum). I think its the right thing to do and just vote breshke out who has done scummy things as well. All these are posts showing that Farah stated the best use of roles was on me/scott. Then all of a sudden she changes what she says and decides that using a role on me is a waste. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 04:55 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'd check on moss and a shot elsewhere depending. I think moos is likely town so I think both are wastes but the thread doesn't. After having advocated for role usage on me for so long all of a sudden she says that it’s a waste and blames it on the thread? She already knows the outcome of what that check will be and is buying easy cred from it. 3. Now let’s back up and go to her read on me. Farah gave me a ton of shit for acting the way I did in the last game and was one of the main people pushing for my lynch. Now we look here and she gives me a free and easy townread with very little thought behind it. Let’s look at the post where she explains her read: + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 01:17 FarahBlackwing wrote: You deal with people like moos the same way every game, you cop check him or you shoot him and spend d1 on other players. ##Vote Scott31337 We can point to the other games moos has played and compare them to some degree and yes his anger here is somewhat close to what it was when he bussed his whole team. However he has a clear objective in this game which is to push me, he cares very little for his survivor and is pushing for himself to be lynched to an extent which probably will come to fruition. While its not necessarily a good heuristic it does exist that mafia players (moos included) like to survive, especially someone like moos who likes playing as mafia. In his last mafia game from what I can understand he did show anger martyr but when pressure slowly left him he continued to try to survive and push his team mate, and at some points just leaving the thread. Here whats his plan exactly? To push me care very little for his survival and fuck off. It seems more like a town not really caring that he rolled town rather than a mafia who wants to survive the day phase. As to my vote on scott, I think hes quite possibly the best choice today. I do not have a huge lead as to who I think is the scummiest but i'm willing to listen to other cases currently but between scott and moos I would pick scott. Her rationale for town reading me is that I try harder when I’m Mafia and don’t when I’m town. Looking at how things turned out for N1, I’m interested in seeing how she’ll read me now and exactly why she gave me such an easy pass while even people like NocturneMage, Trfel, and FecalFeast were struggling over my alignment for a bit. She was so confident in my alignment to the extent that she didn’t even feel the need to vote for me. 4. Says she doesn’t care for whether scott dies then expresses regret later on. Like what? First Farah says she doesn’t care whether scott dies or not and even goes so far as to push for his lynch. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 04:48 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Scott31337 Fine I don't care between the two, the posts towards VE are decent. And the lack of anything scott is doing even when hes on the lynch list is worse then when he normally plays. On November 18 2015 04:52 FarahBlackwing wrote: All we need is a ritoky or a disformation switch and scott is the lynch. Then she expresses sadness for the lynch right before it goes down? This is the easiest way for Mafia to buy town cred. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 05:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: scotts probably flipping town -_- 5. Her back off on disformation was super super weak. After advocating for so much role usage on me and scott, she decides that disformation is the best lynch. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard. But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least. Then in the very next post of hers, she decides that she was wrong and decides to sheep geript's push onto Breshke. Like...hello? + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 02:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Yes I could very well be wrong and he did have some towny posts. I'm just not sure if I 100% want to lynch between scott and moos. Breshke might be a good alternative, reading geripts post now. But for now ##Unvote 6. Lies about Breshke Yes, her attempt to push onto Breshke was terrible and false. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke. ##Vote Breshke There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos. In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. If you take a look at Breshke’s filter, he’s actually been consistently on the same people so her vote onto Breshke is opportunistic. Overall, I'm 99.999% Farah is Mafia. There were actually like 1 or 2 more points where she made more contradictions but I forget them and I'm tired after writing this twice. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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But I would STRONGLY urge a Farah lynch over a disformation one. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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On November 18 2015 14:41 ritoky wrote: i am in a poor mood atm. just read moosy's case, gonna respond to that before i read the rest of the shit. which one? there are two. I also have a question for you ritoky, let me dig it up. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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On November 18 2015 14:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: which one? there are two. I also have a question for you ritoky, let me dig it up. Actually I won't. It might breach the rules and I'm sure I'll find another way to read you. Just know that you dropped a bit down my list and got closer to scum. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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On November 18 2015 14:53 ritoky wrote: re: moosy's case 1) you put a lot of weight on this, idk i don't really think it matters that much. people try plays all the time and like to try to do shit right at the start of the game that's convoluted. most people are bad at it, then there's palmar. you could be right you could be wrong, it doesn't convince me and i find it NAI 2) probably your best point. i know i was advocating not dealing with you since you were being a crybaby and using roles to resolve you; but someone directed me toward the setup and the guaranteed godfather and i realized that it was a shitty approach cuz of setup and became depressed and resigned to having to read what you type. that is a much different progression than "use it on these people, use it on these people" "oh they're a waste but other people say that's how it should be". that tends toward mafia. 3) this makes 0 sense from you imo. "last game i was a little shit kicking and screaming and farah gave me tons of shit for it but i was town" this game you're a little shit kicking and screaming and she town reads you. of course she does? like what? you're playing the same as her last experience when you were town, so why shouldn't she just think you're doing more of the same? i don't get this at all. 4) yeah there's a pretty stark difference between "oh he's gonna flip town" and me who actually tried to move my vote. likely inconsequential ultimately (i dun remember the numbers) but saying and not acting is pretty meh. 5) seems self explanatory, would like to hear her explanation as to why; could be mafia indicative. 6) me and NM covered this earlier and i typed a lot so i don't really wanna repeat unless i have to; i'll go quote myself if i must. 1) well the thing with this point is kind of meta/tone. Like you can just tell that Farah is a serious player, so doing goofy shit like Palmar is out of the question. But what she did isn't the big issue here. It's how she tried to explain her action away twice with progressively worse reasons. Also there's the fact that she's pushing the game forwards to get reads as she "claims" in her reasons but then says she doesn't care about the game later on. That's a contradiction right there. 3) Her reason for town reading me was that I was doing the same thing, but she believes that I would try if I were Mafia. So I'm interested to see how she'll read me off of my recent behavior and especially since I've clearly been driving at her this whole time. 4) Switching would just seem that much more scummy. You're an exception because you didn't read the game and was just flailing around but her switching would seem a calculated Mafia move. Either way both wagons were going to flip town so it was easy for her to just put her vote somewhere, cry over the town loss, and eat up the town cred. 6) Alright, I'll look for it later. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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On November 18 2015 15:06 ritoky wrote: 1) you've made your point, it doesn't convince me. other stuff you said has lowered my opinion of her; but i doubt this point ever will ring home with me so it's an impasse. 4) this is kinda a bit confirmation biasy don't you think? 1) meh 4) no, not really. She was driving the scott lynch and asked for votes to switch onto scott, so saying right before the lynch "he's gonna flip town!" is so bad. The only explanation is that she was trying to seem townie from it, but she forgot how she was driving part of the scott lynch and had explicitly stated before that she wouldn't care if he died. | ||
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On November 18 2015 15:29 ritoky wrote: moosy do you have a strong opinion on breshke? assuming town since both your scum reads were quick to hop on him for mediocre at best reasons? Yes. | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##Vote: FarahBlackwing This is absolutely where we should go. Farah has failed to respond to huge chunks of my case and is trying to discredit my case using bm which is common for Mafia. Again. It's really strange for her to claim to try so hard at the beginning of the game and then claim she doesn't care now. | ||
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@Trfel, re-evaluate your reads and get back to me. I want you to seriously consider the Farah lynch. | ||
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There is little reason for Mafia to have killed VE so geript was definitely the shot. I won't delve too much into NK WIFOM right now as I want to pursue my scum read but he was looking into Trfel and Breshke. I'm actually kind of glad VE died because I wasn't sure how to read him and he really dropped off. That was an okay vigilante action. | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:20 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm pretty sure fecal is the vig which makes the game pretty easy. Explanation or are you going to fuck off again? | ||
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On November 19 2015 06:16 The Shining wrote: Are you seriously trying to go from BM martyr d1 to trying to lead town and the lynch d2? I can go back to BM martyr if you wish but the fact that you guys held up with my BS means I have to at least try. Now go read my Farah case and get back to me please. | ||
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