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Will have limited internet, starting from 19th. Forgot about that, I'm moving to another flat. Will be for 5-10 days. | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: I plan to spam so hard you won't be able to read me. you're already managing to do so and it sucks. don't go down this road. | ||
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Actually no since I rolled VT just like I did in all of my last games ffs and I have moosy and gb spam up the thread although I said pregame that I'm on a limited schedule. actually no, I#m not happy. | ||
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Boxer- Not much for me to go on, asked Mooser to stop shitposting was nice but I feel like the limited time thing is an excuse I have seen scum use often. More of a null read but 2 lazy to make a category just for him since he is the only one besides the 4 who haven't posted this is bullshit, I said it like 3 times pregame. however let's start. MD - would policy "anti-spam" lynch anytime. Kelsier gets a scum lean from me since he comes in the thread and basically locates scum in the 3 most active players thus far. i dunno why everyone jumps on the "Farah bus what is this" shit why can't she be lying? well even if she's lying, it's NAI I think so I give her a null and not a town lean as others do. top scum would be moosydoosy simply because there's like five opportunities where he's posting useless stuff, successfully pulling sicklucker and gb into gif fights. I remember the game where he was scum and I was town and he was overwhelmingly discussing and discussing.. also a bs vote from him. well that's not too interesting because it's day1 and even first half. | ||
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First up, going to bring up the one serious interaction I'm in: On October 18 2015 06:41 The Shining wrote: I can see where you're coming from with Moosy but why do you think GB is spamming? If anything, I'm more guilty of it than he is. And what is so bad about rolling VT? To some people, its the best role in the game. I mean, would you rather have rolled scum? I'm not really sure where the disappointment is coming from. Yes I'd have rather rolled scum or at least blue. It's (spare last newbie game where I co-hosted) the 3rd or 4th consecutive VT game for me. I don't love the guessing in this game, I love the lying. Obviously I prefer playing scum. Also I think I'm better at scum. Last game I was scum in was actually the game that got a 3 game ban to sicklucker because I was tryhard not conceding as the last scum. Good times. Let's get constructive now: Thus far there's nothing too good to be had. Kelsier is way too active to have rolled scum again given how he reacted last Student Mafia to being scum. MoosyDoosy can be town or scum. I can't read him at all. Gut says "lynch before he misleads town", brain says lynching the (most likely to be) most active player in the game is bullshit. I recommend to not let Shining slip off the radar. He asks lots of specific questions to specific players, thus far me, scott, kelsier, while the rest seems to be banter such as this: On October 18 2015 11:39 The Shining wrote: I stopped playing when my gaming laptop blew up and I had to downgrade to a Macbook. Now League is all I play I think that can very well be scum pretending to be constructive. Also I see that while MoosyDoosy pushed me, GB insta-defended me. Given they joked around about being scum before (as a resemblence to their last game were they were indeed scum together if I understood correctly) it's a behaviour that might be tying them together. Since afaik BH randomizes roles, how high are the chances that exactly the same constellation is happening again? I don't think so. I can see one of them being scum but not both. I don't know what that is worth but I feel like we should keep that in mind. Chances are they are both town but I don't think so. MD pushed me hard, knowing I'm not the most active player. Can be scum pushing a mislynch (he did so already in the one game we played together). MD is my top scum read atm. Farah feels town to me. On October 19 2015 03:29 FarahBlackwing wrote: However I'll end this here and move on. I think kelsier is,most likely town. If he was scum a good plan would be to let moos and myself spam up the thread when we can't see eye to eye. But he interjects to try to get us back on a different path. I see good town motivation and his dogged questioning and prodding seems to come from town. This feels genuine. Running out of time (also my finger hurts as fuck) so I'll be gone for another hour or two. | ||
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##vote lonemeow Enters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote: If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote: Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. | ||
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On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny. Two games. One scum game one town game that I co-hosted . I'm here for some hours, waiting for internet guy to configure internet in my new flat. I have a laptop and I have 4G via tablet so I can actually keep up. Gonna reread the thread and try to give some thoughts. | ||
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On October 18 2015 06:33 scott31337 wrote: This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here... And a shit early vote. Now he's spamming up the thread. I'm not caring for this play so far. GB is a slight townlean - and that's about it. I don't think this is a scum interaction. Moosy pushes me, scott nullifies that plus points out negative things in moosy's playstyle. So I don't think at all they are mafia together. Scott keeps it up: On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote: Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old. Pressure, questions, and then he drops it: On October 18 2015 07:35 scott31337 wrote: Just was making sure - Thank you. To Shining on the GB read - a bit of meta (I've guessed him correctly the last three games) - a bit of playfulness and making sense. I mean I didn't like Kelsier's entrance persay either, but I was going to wait until later in the day to see if he shows up. I didn't see anything else really worth pointing out when I read the thread. And now he disappears. I mean I can see the things on scott but I can't imagine scum scott and scum moosy interacting in that way that early in the game, it just doesn't make sense. So I'd say we have scum in between moosy/scott but I wouldn't say both are scum. I townread kels and I clearly townread rels from what I see so i'm glad to help on that wagon. ##unvote ##vote scott12345 | ||
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This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here... I think that's a soft defense or at least that's what I took it for. Also I'm not sure if that was a joke vote. Can be scum casting his vote at first opportunity before he gets nailed on a late wagon or something. I think that interaction is completely nuts if both are scum. Why would scum ever play this way? And I don't think md/scott are players that orchestrate such stuff in their qt. | ||
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On October 19 2015 20:17 Rels wrote: He's talking about the "I always roll town" comment from Moosy, not the push on you. If you're not sure it was a joke vote, you should reread. Because it was. I see scums doing this very well. Doesn't mean it's orchastrated; scott sees a joke vote, attacks Moosy for it, asks for an explanation, and retract his scumread when Moosy explains it. Doesn't mean anything, but certainly doesn't prove Moosy and scott are not scums together. reread. you're right :/ | ||
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On October 20 2015 01:07 LoneMeow wrote: I started writing it before I had finished but posted it after. To me the switch seemed kind of opportunistic, like he was trying to push me and then just jumped to someone else when that didn't stick. Note how all the reasons he uses to call scott31337 scum are already out when he makes his case on me - so it frankly doesn't make sense to me that he'd case me first, then just jump off like that. That's bullshit. Remember why I voted you in the first place, wanted to play the game you played with Kelsier. I didn't even make a "case". On October 20 2015 01:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: If you read boxerfred's post, it's super awful where he switches between me and The SHining then comes up with a BS reason to try and scumread me. Even before that he blamed me for gif wars when I didn't post any. lol. Gonna bring that up because I don't want to let this stand. My read on you happened partially on a false prerequisite. Note that while I think you're probably scum, it's not enough to cast my vote on you. I might be bad at persuading people especially since english isn't my first language but I'm able to think. Also it's fun to get this comment from a guy who basically spams all the time and makes the thread hard to read, thanks. On October 20 2015 01:23 LoneMeow wrote: Do note that I asked him why which was what I was mostly interested in. Re-evaluating would be fine, but I just don't see anything in the posts that hints at that; I'd expect a re-evaluating townie to at least note something like "X is still scum but Y looks even worse" when switching from the guy he cased to someone else. I suppose the trap is no longer going to work anyway, so yes, the horribleness of the case was why I originally started suspecting him. I was trying to trap him on you having essentially done the same thing he based his case on me yet calling you town and me scum. Gonna repeat it, I didn't case you, stop making up reasons to push me. ____ I like the case on Eversince a lot. I'm fine with ES/scott and of course Moosy. However I'll be in for a Moosy lynch pretty much anytime. Scott would be the lurker scum but I think it's important to note that he's rather inactive when he's town while there's a really solid case on ES. Decisions, decisions. ____ On October 20 2015 01:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: I mean, I'll sheep whatever you guys want tbh. For D1 at least. What a huge fucking awesome useless dumb post. I want to vote you for this. And for your general posting style. On October 20 2015 02:03 Vonthin wrote: My thoughts on everyone now that I've read their filters. Moosy- Slight scum read, I didn't like his opening spam shitpost crap, and some of the reason Rels brought up after I made my post the other night. He has some posts though where I can see town motivation but the useless posts outweigh them for me. LoneMeow- I think he is town, I see clear motivation behind the things he is doing trying to get reads on people. Sicklurker-Leaning slight scum on him, lots of fluff in his filter, I don't understand his Lonemeow vote, I don't see anything to go on besides him not posting a lot to make him scum. Never said lol ez town read or that he was my top read just because I typed his read first in the list., He was just under my list for people who I thought were town for the time. I liked the posts he made and he had no fluff. My strongest town read at the time I made that list was GB. He seemed to made his opinions of me without reading my posts then read them and changed them after someone called him out on his and read them. GB- Still town, I don't see any scum motivation behind his posts. Boxer-- Null still, I understand his reasoning behind his cases but I don't agree with most of them. Has some fluff here and there and his posts/opinions vary so I don't really understand him. Scott-Besides not posting a lot, his posts still read town to me. I understand lynching for inactivity though. Rels- I think he is town, I like most of his posts up un till his recent ones with his case against Lonemeow which I think is a pretty weak case for day1. Farah--Town, Clear town motivation behind her posts, no fluff. Her case against Ever is clear and thought out and makes sense. Ever-- The big thing that leaps out to me in his filter is the big post with all the quote about his case against KSC, was a big jumbled mess and a somewhat weak case. His thoughts are all over the place in the start but It could just be him being new and reacting to the posts he sees. Shining- I think he is town, I like his posts and arguments, has some things I don't like but the things I like outweigh the ones I don't. KSC - He started off looking scum to me but he started to look town since the last day. I like his reads and questions since he stopped posting fluff and being so negative at the start Fecal- Seems scummy, posts seem half assed which shit reads that doesn't give any explanations. Not enough to go on for a Day 1 lynch. Would Lynch: Lurker, Ever, Moosy Needs more posts/convincing: Fecal If anyone has specific questions for me hit me up fast since I have to go to my afternoon classes soon. How do you read Shining as town? Why is that? I'd scumlean him. Also, how do you understand my reasong if even I say that the reasoning of MD is bullshit? How can you townread scott based that his posts were absurd (as Rels and me pointed out)? Scumlean for you. On October 20 2015 02:58 KelsierSC wrote: i'd actually much prefer a scott lynch over ever right now scott's return has been atrocious vonthin putting his vote there and trying to keep scott alive looks really sketchy to me. Having read this, yes. Scott's return is bullshit. However if he'd be scum and if he'd have read the thread before, why wouldn't he just go down the "I'm a low volume poster as town" road? Me and someone else mentioned that. Bad scum or genuine excuse, I have no idea but tend to believe the first thing. He jumps the Eversince wagon but I think that's NAI. On October 20 2015 03:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: I think its interesting moosey is blindly sheeping onto boxer who id his biggest scum read currently. And totally disregards case on ever and misrepresents it. YES YES YES (I fixed that you wrote Moosydoosy in the original post, you corrected in later) So what, lynch scum!boxerfred's scumread? I'm on page 31 now. Pizza arrived . tl;dr would lynch between scott/eversince/moosy, would look into glowingbear and fecalfeast since they dropped under the radar, need to check for lurkers. rels/kelsier/farah town, sicklucker lololol no idea. | ||
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On October 20 2015 05:00 Blazinghand wrote: Day 1 Vote Count scott31337 (7): KelsierSC, Rels, boxerfred, MoosyDoosy, Eversince (5): FarahBlackwing, The Shining, scott31337, Vonthin, GlowingBear LoneMeow (1): sicklucker, KelsierSC (0): Vonthin (0): sicklucker (0): boxerfred (0): GlowingBear (0): Not voted (0): Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends at Monday, Oct 19 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Voting is mandatory! Voting is done here in this thread. PM the hosts if the vote count is not correct. rofl I missed the lynch. I'm done. Good night. | ||
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On October 20 2015 04:40 LoneMeow wrote: Can't figure this out. Sheeping Rels. ##vote: scott31337 People pointed that post out already but I think the really interesting thing here is that this is the vote that hammered scott. sicklucker said he'd be up for shennanies and he was around at EoD - so it wasn't just dumping the vote on scott but it was the vote that did not get Eversince hanged. Thing is that he pushes Kelsier, backs off, does nothing, sheeps the biggest wagon. I understand that the unvote of Kelsier makes sense, town should re-evaluate. But the lack of participation and the "I do nothing" sheep of Rels is bullshit. I mean the guy isn't active for most of the day then comes in only to say this and back out again? I don't get it. Tbh that's bad scum play as well as bad town play. I expect more D2. Eversince looks bad but I think it's a "bad town" category of bad and not a scum thing. That brings me to Farah who I insta-townread for the case on Eversince, I think it's decent, well-written and logical. Such a case isn't made by a newbie D1 on a scum partner. So it's either town!Eversince and town!Farah or town!Eversince and scum!Farah or scum!Eversince and town!Farah. We should keep that in mind, if one of them flips scum, the other one is pretty much confirmed town. The conversation on p37 between Kelsier and Eversince is also quite interesting. Makes Eversince looks bad, again. The only thing ES has going for him is the effort he puts in, I don't think scum needs to do this after the flip happened. Also I want to put more pressure on Moosy but he didn't spam up the thread anymore and caught decent things such as this. On October 20 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: mmm...Eversince's change in story is vaguely concerning to be honest. On October 20 2015 06:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: Why didn't you post anything about me at all when you were so willing to lynch me? I'll refrain from my scum read for now. I actually think Moosy is doing a better job by now. Here are my reads mirrored in the final vote count: On October 20 2015 05:00 Blazinghand wrote: Day 1 Vote Count scott31337 (7): KelsierSC, Rels, boxerfred, MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast/Eversince/Lonemeow Eversince (5): FarahBlackwing, The Shining, scott31337 , Vonthin, GlowingBear LoneMeow (1): sicklucker It is very well possible that scum hides between MD/FF/LM, no matter if both wagons are town or the Eversince wagon was targeted at scum. Since I said above that I refrain from my MD scumread, in this scenario most likely scum should be hidden between FF/LM/ES, pushing the mislynch that town people started. The one guy voting outside of both wagons (to simply stay unreadable?) would be sicklucker. Wouldn't be bad scum play I think since basically voting outside the wagons is NAI (at least as long as we do not know both flips) - I don't have a strong scumread on him but I don't have a townread as well so yeah. I don't want to let go of the theory of sicklucker being scum and voting outside but the fact that he asked for shennanies says to me that he should be leaned town. I have a gut feeling on Shining that I need to feed with arguments. Maybe I'll change my thoughts towards him but as of now, I got a scumlean on him. Same goes for FecalFeast, my reads on those two aren't fed with strong facts but are more a gut (and low activity/filler posts) thingy. Concluding, I think it's very likely that we have two scum members on the scott wagon. The wagon went off decently and was not fought too hard, although the lynch was kind of close. | ||
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On October 20 2015 22:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: not really tbh. I assumed it had to do with killing me. Lol. Go read. | ||
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Rels: "GB's post is forced" Scum having a field day. However Rels keeps himself to reasoning while GB spits out theories. Let's try to ask questions: - how does sicklucker/Eversince make sense? Why is that? I can't replicate that. - what exactly makes sicklucker scum if Rels is scum? Your ideas revolve around sicklucker who is (to me) the most unreadable guy in this game. | ||
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On October 21 2015 04:55 Fecalfeast wrote: Can you explain why the one who start the wagon on a town are town enough to paint green? I thought his case was good. His points on scott were legit. Thus a town read. Being wrong on D1 is no shame. | ||
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On October 21 2015 04:52 Eversince wrote: I don't even get half of what you're saying because it's really annoying to read through a quoted post with strangely placed spoilers. Point out what you want me to answer and I'll answer. | ||
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On October 21 2015 05:30 GlowingBear wrote: Exactly. That's why I'm telling everyone to not consider SL's claim when analysing if he is scun or not. He could've done it regardless of alignment saw it now, when I started typing, thread was 2 pages before. I went from "vote him because I dont wanna be in lylo with that uncertainty" over to "wait, could rels be yolo'ing?" to "no wait, vig has one shot" and setup analysis which is bullshit because it has no use for town, scum roles are identical in each setup to - this. | ||
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read the following sentence. Eversince flip as scum will confirm farah as town. Everything else can be tinfoilhatted into oblivion. | ||
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On October 21 2015 05:40 Fecalfeast wrote: vonthin the newbie, eversince, and it was GB in third but I liked his drunk posting. I also had SL as scummy but the retarded play he just made makes me think otherwise makes sense, you started with vonthin but dropped for the scott wagon, I'm coming fresh off your filter. On October 21 2015 05:41 Fecalfeast wrote: tbh I haven't filtered you yet BF I might do that after my morning rituals are complete please do so, or do at least something. you're lazy town or scum. | ||
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On October 21 2015 05:42 GlowingBear wrote: But why do you suggest we tinfoil things???? I mean, it doesn't make sense I think any theory that says farah is scum would be tinfoilhatty as long as Eversince hasn't flipped. | ||
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On October 18 2015 05:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: What is a bus? This is the only thing in Farah's filter that makes me worry. Literally the only thing. Her cases are good, she makes a town-as-fuck appearance to me but this questions is really - dumb. You can even google that shit and I assume that whoever is nerdy enough to play here is able to use google. Still I'm not getting that tinfoilhat off of my head. | ||
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On October 21 2015 05:54 FarahBlackwing wrote: So I think sl is probably town no matter what as well as rels. So that makes things a little easier one sec. Looking forward to this. | ||
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On October 21 2015 06:20 sicklucker wrote: vonthin good you mention him. I asked questions, he never bothered to answer How do you read Shining as town? Why is that? I'd scumlean him. Also, how do you understand my reasong if even I say that the reasoning of MD is bullshit? How can you townread scott based that his posts were absurd (as Rels and me pointed out)? Scumlean for you. he better answer me. ##vote vonthin good night for real now | ||
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Let me bring his scum read on me up: Boxer- Lots of big long confusing posts that are all over the place that should've been separated into multiple posts. He makes a case against Moosy then later says it was a bullshit case? Why post it in the first place? Besides his case against Moosy(which he pushes even after calling it BS) he seems to be all over the place with what he is pushing, looks like scum trying to spread chaos to me. Also why ever say "I just scimmed the posts" and then make an opinion, this just gives you plausable deniability when you miss something that could make you look scummy. You always want to post when you have all the information. I think you refer to one big, seemingly confusing post only and this is a post that is built up quite logically: I caught up, and while I was catching up, I quoted posts that I deemed interesting. I even said that on top of that post. Go have a re-read of that post. Regarding my Moosy read: I contradicted myself in that read. I was wrong, that's about it. That's why I later said that it was bullshit. I also refrained from my Moosy scumread although it really bothers me that he's not around. So no, I have not continued pushing Moosy, you're misrepresenting the facts. However I still do not have a townread Moosy, although I liked his posts N1 a bit. Third, regarding the "I just skimmed" case - it was simply honest, sorry if that makes me look bad. Read into that whatever you want, I don't care. ____________ I'm wondering why Farah pushes a MD lynch since her case on ES was/is good. Why the preference now that MD apparently isn't here? Also why that townread on Shining? I don't get the "emotional" argument at all, one can fake his/her meta. Elaborate please. Then again, I wonder why Farah removes GB from her "remaining scum" list. I think your reads of shining and GB are really weak. I also dislike that Fecalfeast comes into the thread once he's under pressure. Why not do this before? Not interested to solve the game? If so, why not? I strongly think there's scum in between GB and FF, maybe MD but I don't have a solid case on that. I guess MD will break my neck the longer I survive in that game because I cannot tell if he's town or scum but I still have that scum feeling. I had the same fucking feeling in the game we played when he was scum and talked everyone into oblivion, however I was mislynched before being able to get him lynched. I actually have a good grasp on that game, SL and MD are the only ones I don't have at least a reasoned opinion on. That, among with my standing as a townread person, will probably get me shot soon. Well, some casualties cannot be prevented. Fecal as of now I don't have the time to really look at the games you mentioned towards me. Hold me at it, I'll try to do so this evening. The lynch should happen in between FF/GB/ES/Shining. I think those guys have the highest chance to flip scum. Second tier lynches are MD/SL(though GB scumreads him which actually makes me rethink that)/VonThin. Don't lynch: Farah. Never lynch: Rels, boxerfred. | ||
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On October 22 2015 01:39 FarahBlackwing wrote: Claim and dumb tells. And not sure should be back today probably at some point. only mobile here so just a question: you initially misunderstood dumb tells. however you still say sl is dumbtelling. out of all sl? he plays lots of games here. | ||
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I cannot read sicklucker at all, so he's not my top lynch. But I strongly recommend lynching him before a possible LYLO situation. I think that the claim he did is not really alignment indicative but if I was to interpret something into it, I'd have to say that for scum, this would be a really bad move. I don't think sicklucker is a guy who does such bad moves. So I'd actually town lean him if you guys want to nail me on that. Thing is that MoosyDoosy even says he wants to get lynched so it's really a cheap mislynch target for scum. That would mean that this.. GlowingBear, boxerfred, Eversince, Rels, Fecalfeast, Vonthin ..contains at least one, if not two, or even three scum members. If I consider that I think Rels is town, and I am town, I have GB/FF/VT/ES in those votes. Now look at this: On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote: The lynch should happen in between FF/GB/ES/Shining. I think those guys have the highest chance to flip scum. Second tier lynches are MD/SL(though GB scumreads him which actually makes me rethink that)/VonThin. Don't lynch: Farah. Never lynch: Rels, boxerfred. I liked Vonthin's answers to my questions, I already said this. That brings me down to GB/FF/ES. So let's get the hammer rolling. Since Fecalfeast tends to be active whenever under pressure and tends to do shit when disregarded, I strongly suggest to lynch him. It really feels like he's lurking a lot, posting only when necessary. And that is scum behaviour and nothing else. ##unvote ##vote FecalFeast | ||
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On October 23 2015 03:40 Vonthin wrote: Yeah this is shit, this isn't the first time you have posted and made reads without reading everything which in the end just mucks up the thread and makes you look scummier. You keep misrepresenting that post. Here, let me quote it for you and bold it: + Show Spoiler + On October 20 2015 05:57 boxerfred wrote: As I'm catching up, I'll write down my notes on what I think about certain posts. That's bullshit. Remember why I voted you in the first place, wanted to play the game you played with Kelsier. I didn't even make a "case". Gonna bring that up because I don't want to let this stand. My read on you happened partially on a false prerequisite. Note that while I think you're probably scum, it's not enough to cast my vote on you. I might be bad at persuading people especially since english isn't my first language but I'm able to think. Also it's fun to get this comment from a guy who basically spams all the time and makes the thread hard to read, thanks. Gonna repeat it, I didn't case you, stop making up reasons to push me. ____ I like the case on Eversince a lot. I'm fine with ES/scott and of course Moosy. However I'll be in for a Moosy lynch pretty much anytime. Scott would be the lurker scum but I think it's important to note that he's rather inactive when he's town while there's a really solid case on ES. Decisions, decisions. ____ What a huge fucking awesome useless dumb post. I want to vote you for this. And for your general posting style. How do you read Shining as town? Why is that? I'd scumlean him. Also, how do you understand my reasong if even I say that the reasoning of MD is bullshit? How can you townread scott based that his posts were absurd (as Rels and me pointed out)? Scumlean for you. Having read this, yes. Scott's return is bullshit. However if he'd be scum and if he'd have read the thread before, why wouldn't he just go down the "I'm a low volume poster as town" road? Me and someone else mentioned that. Bad scum or genuine excuse, I have no idea but tend to believe the first thing. He jumps the Eversince wagon but I think that's NAI. YES YES YES (I fixed that you wrote Moosydoosy in the original post, you corrected in later) So what, lynch scum!boxerfred's scumread? I'm on page 31 now. Pizza arrived . tl;dr would lynch between scott/eversince/moosy, would look into glowingbear and fecalfeast since they dropped under the radar, need to check for lurkers. rels/kelsier/farah town, sicklucker lololol no idea. What is more towny than reading the thread one post by one and posting my thoughts to fucking every single post during the catchup-process? You are misrepresenting the facts. Why is that? Are you scum? | ||
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On October 23 2015 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote: fuck off I've been posting whenever I get the chance and lots What a decent reaction. | ||
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On October 23 2015 03:46 Fecalfeast wrote: So you're trying to goad me to get angry. Good mafia plan but I'm good. Your posts after your case have been poking at me for reactions and then you comment on the reaction. How is this helping you develop a scumread on me? This is simply a lie. I made two posts related to you out of three. One says "I'm partially wrong", the other one says "oh I could be completely wrong." Nothing that is supposed to poke you. | ||
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On October 23 2015 03:55 sicklucker wrote: Lets lynch farah lol for what, lynching ES no MD no ES? | ||
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On October 23 2015 03:57 sicklucker wrote: also boxers line of ( i dont wanna lynchg sl unless its in lylo) that just put chills down my spine like hes saving me for later my post also states why I tend to think you're town. you should consider writing readable posts, giving opinions to actually become readable and not do some "yolo I'm sl I dont need to do shit just follow me and we'll win" shit. | ||
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On October 23 2015 04:06 Fecalfeast wrote: So the only one not ok with a moose lynch is BF and I'm ok with that If MD flips town, GB looks bad for pushing him all day and he's in my potential scum list. If he flips scum, I guess I look bad then for voting outside the wagon but that's okay. | ||
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I say "lets lynch moosy" then I say "ok he might not be scum but lets lynch him because he's spammy" he stops being spammy, completely plays against his scum meta, I say "dont lynch the guy" and you lynch the guy. This is way too fucking easy to not be a town wagon there's literally no scum member that is not fine with that lynch. guys. seriously. | ||
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On October 23 2015 04:31 GlowingBear wrote: There isn't a thing called "meta" for a guy that rolled scum only once True but that doesn't convince me. I mean my vote is irrelevant right now so yeah fine just gonna wait here and see the flip. I still think it's a bad idea though. | ||
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On October 23 2015 04:44 The Shining wrote: Because I got to work 45 minutes ago and actually read before posting anything because I'm not boxerfred who comment on things without bring caught up. Since you care about me, what do you think about me thinking MD is town here? | ||
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Except that is plain bullshit because I already started to townlean moosy at the start of D2. | ||
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On October 23 2015 06:01 The Shining wrote: If you actually thought Moosy was town and ES was on your lynch list, you couldve voted with Moosy on ES and actually tried to save your townread but you didn't really care about him getting lynched cuz ur scum. Instead you wasted a vote and didn't bother defending your TR. But you do realize that I wasn't around this day, thus I wasn't able to talk about Moosy anways? If you check my inital vote post on Moosy, you realize it happened as a direct answer to his "I don't care" post, willing to test the waters? A scum!MD would've talked the fuck out of me after that vote. What difference would my "wasted" vote made if it would've been on MD? I tried to save someone I called town. I didn't try too hard to really set up a defense, also with what should I have done this, except my meta argument I had nothing. Mafia was content to sit on a mislynch with 3 players. Your push on me is simply bad. Especially since you guys say that a town read on Moosy that I had since start of D2 is TMI. It's simply wrong. That's where the following thought comes to my mind: Shining can very well be scum with Vonthin. Note that both voted the same wagon D1. Which would mean that if ES would flip scum, we'd have a (safe) double bus D1 on him. I say "safe" to the bus because Von and Shining could've jumped off the wagon anytime, especially since lonemeow made the last-minute hop-on on a town wagon. If he's town though, we'd have had two town wagons D1 with two scum voting the same wagon which, well, doesn't bring any more information. A completely other thing came to my mind, too. Sicklucker, you said you prepared your claim by softening it during the night phase, right? Why? And where did you soften it? If sl doesn't answer those questions during the night and I'm the NK, you should instalynch him. | ||
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On October 23 2015 06:15 Vonthin wrote: You voted for FF because he was inactive. He wasn't at the time you posted it because you didnt read the thread again. You realize your mistake but don't change your vote at all or explain why you are keeping it on Fecal. Waste of a vote here, only scum do that. I see none of this in your filter until you unvoted him, I only see that he was a second tier lynch in one post then you initially voted for him later. Why would you put him in a possible scum/lynch list and then vote for him in the first place if you thought he was town? Anyways im off to my last class for the week. On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote: I also refrained from my Moosy scumread although it really bothers me that he's not around. So no, I have not continued pushing Moosy, you're misrepresenting the facts. However I still do not have a townread Moosy, although I liked his posts N1 a bit. The only guy I really townread at this point is Rels. Farah's lame EoD makes me really worry. I started thinking MD is town when I deeply thought into why he's not posting. 2nd tier lynch, right. That means his in 5th/6th position of who I'd like to lynch. I explained above why I voted him and I'm sure you've read that post/conversation, so don't pull it out of context. | ||
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this is actually a post that makes me think sl is town given that he's honest or a scum genius | ||
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What was supposed to happen? It was a vote to pressure FF and to help Moosy. Didn't make a difference at all so I already said pre-flip that the vote is irrelevant. I'm not saying that I townread FF. | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:24 Vonthin wrote: ES filter looks scummy as fuck Farah filter tunnels Es for 2 days, hasn't done anything else, dodges and shots disinterest when we don't talk about ES One of these 2 is 100% scum, can't be scum together are you kidding me I said so like 2 days ago. | ||
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On October 23 2015 03:53 GlowingBear wrote: Failure to vote usually means you get modkilled. Wait for it And kill Moosy anyway. He is a nuisance. He was the one who started the Moosy votes. After successfully lynching Moosy, shifting thread sentiment against me with the TMI argument, he says during night that he doesn't really care or something like that. As I said D2 already: a lynch between Farah and Eversince would've been a good idea. I strongly think that only one of them (most likely Eversince) is scum. But after Farah's weak EoD2 and the weird Shining/Farah interaction I'm not so sure of that anymore. I'm down to say that in a world where Farah or ES are scum, the chances are distributed like 70-30 or maybe even 60-40. GlowingBear in the meantime is the one who did nothing all the time. His D1 started with a "lol we're both scum" interaction with Moosy, a resemblance to their previous game. That already sent some townies on the wrong track. He also jumped to my defence when Moosy pushed me D1 which makes sense as scum but not as town. As town, you want to pressure people into getting more answers, especially low volume posters like me. As scum, you're fine to see people fight about lynches that do not target your fellow scum members, so of course you sometimes defend townies. GB pocketed me with that, I never really looked into him apart from my rather general thoughts during D2. This is an awesome answer. At that point, GB isn't ad hom to anyone, except to kelsier who starts scumreading him at this point. Why would GB defend me in a well-reasoned manner and then just answer to kelsier in that way? Only difference in those situations is that in a), I (town) am under attack and scum!GB is fine with whatever way the pressure goes while in b), GB (scum) is under attack and of course he doesn't want that to gain traction. Right? Next up, more fillers: On October 18 2015 09:55 GlowingBear wrote: Moosy, why are you looking so handsome today? Followed by a list post: On October 18 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote: (1)Farah looks townie for her posts. She is objective and her opening is straight forward to the point, asking "what is a bus" when she saw something she couldn't understand in thread. A little bit of WIFOM argument: I don't think she would ask what is it directly to the thread, but in the scum QT. As a first-timer, I would expect that she would be a little cautious before posting things in thread and be agressively scumhunting if she was scum. The only thing that is making me wary of her is that she is not trying to see players coming through all perspectives even when I inquired her to do so. Being that aggressive and tunneled already in the beginning of the game isn't townie, and it's very rare on townie first-timers. (2)The Shining's opening is horrendous IMO. It felt forced and tried to hard to give us the idea that he is town. The "someone be obvscum" thing isn't convincing. I don't like it. Also, these posts doesn't add up: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2015 05:33 The Shining wrote: I think this is your first, or one of, your first games here, right? Unfortunately that's how TL works sometimes. People like to start the game off silly and carefree until a good majority of the players show up and get down and dirty On October 18 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote: K i might want to lynch you. I am the shiny town here, good sir, why do you want to be like me? Because you are scum! If the TL meta UNFORTUNATELY have the joke phase, why participating in it? I mean, if you don't like it, why estimulate it? It doesn't make sense to me. This post is very okay, tho: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2015 06:59 The Shining wrote: This entrance is weak. Scott doesn't comment on anyone else except a slight townlean on GB(who is asking people about Moosy, the only other player mentioned here). He distances himself from his first thought in saying Moosy he's pushing the fact that he's town a little hard but its "just a thought." Then he picks on an obvious joke vote and conversation between GB and Moosy to slight town GB and suspect Moosy? Why is GB slight townlean? Flesh that out for me. (3)MoosyDoosy is being stupid, which isn't alignment indicative for him. But this post isn't good: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2015 05:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: I am bored. And i am trying to decide on a meta for this game. Should I go for the rayn townie that catches scum by looking back in the thread for inconsistencies and through hard questioning? Should I go for the rsoul townie that catches scum through relentless posts and tone reads? Or should I just go my idgaf mode and not care the whole game. mmm...choices choices choices (4)KelsierSC can't do this as town: Kelsier is a very logical player, saying something this bad as town isn't his fashion. (5)Vonthin, I wasn't liking this guy too much. Especially because he said this: (i) he opened the game by saying town should not care to survive and go scum hunting, but then (ii) he does nothing in order to scumhunt and (iii) participates in the jokes just to say this. Reading this post in a vacuum, however, conveys town vibes it really seems he is struggling with the terrible start. I'm not sure what to think.That's all I have for now. So, basically, Farah townlean, Kelsier scumlean, others null-ish. I'd like people to talk about things I've brought here. ...which has kelsier as a scumread and, interestingly enough, Farah as a townread. The same Farah that actually removed GB for weak arguments from her "pool of potential scum" D2: On October 21 2015 06:37 FarahBlackwing wrote: So that leaves me with a pool of six people and three of them are scum. Gb is the next person I would eliminate from the lynch list. She has been looking for scum it seems, initially it looks like she is also trying to get me to look at alternatives when early when I was interacting about moos. Some of it I disagree with but her reaction to ff voting Scott was interesting as scum has little motivation to jump on and off if Scott is scum. This leaves us with a lynch pool of ever, Vonthin, fecal, boxer, moos. This is where the game gets really difficult for me. This whole post is scummy for the following reasons: a) townread D1 by GB, Farah removes GB for "well he tried a bit to hunt scum" reasons from her scum pool. b) "scum has little motivation to jump on and off if Scott is scum" - that's a town alignment argument from Farah towards GB. However GB uses the same argument but reconstructs it as a TMI to push me because I jumped off MoosyDoosy and on FF. To me it's pretty clear that GB and Farah are 2/3 scum members together. Sicklucker also started townreading Eversince so at this point I'm pretty sure we have bad town Eversince and scum!Farah. My best bet would be a GB/Farah/Shining scumteam because of some tinfoilhatty "they know themselves outside in RL" and because I think since D2 that Shining is a bad player. Also, in GB's list post D1, he soft-bussed already on Shining, saying that he had a horrendous entry to the game. GB is definitely capable of doing that simply to be able to stay under the radar as soon as anything against his scummate Shining gains traction. ##vote GlowingBear | ||
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On October 25 2015 02:42 Rels wrote: I thought you were considering a GB + Fara scumteam ? On October 24 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote: Would prefer GB since I am 100% sure to have located scum while I still have that tinfoilhatty shit with Farah. I had her so fucking locked as town and her entry to this day (the idea of "wait, everyone show that he's town") is actually a good idea IMHO. We need three fucking correct lynches in a row if it's not for a doc. Right? Bro you're tunneled as fuck on farah and it's a bad thing. My Farah scumread is tinfoilhatty but I'm really sure that GB is the last scum. Read my case. | ||
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And thanks FF for claiming. I know I'm not supposed to counterclaim but - FF isn't the vet. He is scum trying to get the real doctor to counterclaim. The setup is Vig, Town, RB/GF/Goon. I am doctor, I softened it two times already: On October 23 2015 18:57 boxerfred wrote: I didn't trick anyone. The most likely scenario is that scum Shining/Vonthin want to push me because they're running out of mislynch targets. Tbh I thought that I'd be the nightkill since I feel like I'm being town read a lot in general and also have decent reads. Thing is that since I started soft-pushing farah, I get pushed a lot, even Rels now says that "maybe I tricked" him - why? Can't save myself from the night kill. I can see scum pushing me so they can safely kill of the one confirmed town player in this game which would be Rels. On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote: I like Vonthin's response to my questions, I dislike that he scumreads me. He's not the lynch for today though imho. Let me bring his scum read on me up: I think you refer to one big, seemingly confusing post only and this is a post that is built up quite logically: I caught up, and while I was catching up, I quoted posts that I deemed interesting. I even said that on top of that post. Go have a re-read of that post. Regarding my Moosy read: I contradicted myself in that read. I was wrong, that's about it. That's why I later said that it was bullshit. I also refrained from my Moosy scumread although it really bothers me that he's not around. So no, I have not continued pushing Moosy, you're misrepresenting the facts. However I still do not have a townread Moosy, although I liked his posts N1 a bit. Third, regarding the "I just skimmed" case - it was simply honest, sorry if that makes me look bad. Read into that whatever you want, I don't care. ____________ I'm wondering why Farah pushes a MD lynch since her case on ES was/is good. Why the preference now that MD apparently isn't here? Also why that townread on Shining? I don't get the "emotional" argument at all, one can fake his/her meta. Elaborate please. Then again, I wonder why Farah removes GB from her "remaining scum" list. I think your reads of shining and GB are really weak. I also dislike that Fecalfeast comes into the thread once he's under pressure. Why not do this before? Not interested to solve the game? If so, why not? I strongly think there's scum in between GB and FF, maybe MD but I don't have a solid case on that. I guess MD will break my neck the longer I survive in that game because I cannot tell if he's town or scum but I still have that scum feeling. I had the same fucking feeling in the game we played when he was scum and talked everyone into oblivion, however I was mislynched before being able to get him lynched. I actually have a good grasp on that game, SL and MD are the only ones I don't have at least a reasoned opinion on. That, among with my standing as a townread person, will probably get me shot soon. Well, some casualties cannot be prevented. Fecal as of now I don't have the time to really look at the games you mentioned towards me. Hold me at it, I'll try to do so this evening. The lynch should happen in between FF/GB/ES/Shining. I think those guys have the highest chance to flip scum. Second tier lynches are MD/SL(though GB scumreads him which actually makes me rethink that)/VonThin. Don't lynch: Farah. Never lynch: Rels, boxerfred. Both bolded parts mention the fact that Doctor cannot heal himself. The scumteam consists of FF/GB/Farah and that's it. FF is the 100% lynch, he's scum willing to exchange to the Doctor. I'm counterclaiming because I feel like we're fucking close to mislynching ES (NOTE THAT SICKLUCKER ALSO SAID ES IS TOWN BEFORE HE DIED BUT HAD CONCERNS TOWARDS FARAH!!!!) ##unvote ##vote FecalFeast safest call here | ||
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The whole Rels vs. Farah discussion feels like Farah is trying to get herself lynched (even with a self-vote) to get herself killed - my case happened just before that. Farah is Goon, GB is the Roleblocker, FF is the Godfather. They know that the doc is around so FF claiming vet is a great play to exchange Doctor for a useless GF, especially since it happens on a call from a confirmed town, which is Rels. By allowing that play and justifying it, Rels is indeed scum MVP. I healed Rels every single night, except N1 where I healed Farah because I thought her case on ES was really good and the flip on scott turned out to be town. If we lynch me or ES today, the game is over and lost. If we lynch GB or Farah or Fecalfeast, the game is won. That is it. It just makes sense. Farah didn't dare to touch me in the beginning - I hard townread her. When I started to put suspicion on her because her weak night and her weak EoD2 and the weak reasons to reduce GlowingBear from her scum pool, she instantly started to shift pressure on me. Earlier this day, she engaged with Rels up to the point that she'd "never play a game on tl.net" again yet she is arguing in exactly the same way she did before she got in that discussion. How is that town? This is a pressured scum raging, nothing more. Also look at how she pocketed Shining be regularly townreading him. Also note how FF jumps in and Farah comes right after - alarm bells in scum qt must be ringing. I'm confident that the game is solved in its entirety. Lynch between FF/GB/Farah. FF is the way to go because he's confirmed scum after my claim. GB on the other hand is the roleblocker that Farah wanted to safe. It doesn't matter at all though since I'll be dead in the next night. Eversince, Vonthin, Shining, Rels, we're the townies in here. Since Vonthin and Eversince are under suspicion from the scum team, it's up to Shining and Rels to win the game. You have to decide if it's FF/GB/Farah or BF/Vonthin/ES as Farah paints it. Basically this day comes town to a lynch between FF and me. Lynch FF and survive another day for the next lylo. Lynch me and lose the game right now. Again: I softened doctor several times. Sicklucker picked that up in one post where he said "that guy is not vt". He saw the hint. He is a confirmed town so it's not a scum mate building up my reputation. FF comes out of nothing with a vet claim that strongly helps scum in finding the Doctor. Kill FF. | ||
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I mean guys seriously, look into Fecalfeast's D1 and D2. He stayed under the radar all of the time. He let Moosy/GB spam up the thread D1, he jumped safely on the Moosy lynch D2, and when Rels offers him the opportunity, he claims. And then look at the last pages: it's martyr-"I never play here again"-farah and FF himself of course that jump on my ass once I fucking counterclaim. I am the doctor. There is no veteran in this game. You guys need to understand that. Vonthin, stop spitting out useless posts but instead re-evaluate your fucking reads. We're in LYLO so all I ask you (and everyone) is to re-read FecealFeast and me and then decide who appears more towny. Also go ahead and ask me questions. In a world where I am scum and counterclaim Fecal, GB is probably scum with me, right? So I'd be there to sacrifice myself, right? Now tell me, why the hell would I do this when I was the one who made a huge case on GB being scum before? "Hey I set you up for a lynch now I sacrifice myself"? How does that make sense? Especially if you think that I brought that case to everybody's attention again and again? It's just dumb. FF is scum. That is all the magic. With him it's GB/Farah. Look at the huge difference between Farah vs. Rels and now Farah vs. me. Basically it's "hey I'm fighting confirmed town so let's just pretend I'm upset" into "hey look the guy CC'ed so I can easily get him mislynched and win the game for town". The pattern basically is: 1. Farah is interrogated by a tunneling townie: let's play upset and go martyr. 2. boxerfred makes a CC because he's the real doctor: let's get the guy hanged and discuss in a friendly manner. ad 1: she clearly wants to stir up chaos and nullify her answers. she's even REFUSING to answer to the guy who's confirmed town. ad 2: she really wants to get me lynched. Me, the doctor. Please imagine what would've happened if I would've claimed Doctor before FF would've claimed vet. FF says "I'm vet" and I say "I'm doc", we both have our breadcrumbs (although mine are pretty clear and his is rather..), but Farah doesn't even consider that I'm correct. She clearly is scum! Given that I'm Doc and FF fakeclaimed, boom, he's scum, too. And I still like my case on GB so that makes him the 3rd scum member. Could even be Vonthin, given how dumb he jumps on me right now. So kill FF, kill Farah, then carefully look at GB/Vonthin. GB, if you're town I fully expect you to vote Fecalfeast. Same goes for anybody else. Pretty much anyone that jumps on me right now is scum except fucking Rels. | ||
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On October 26 2015 01:44 FarahBlackwing wrote: FF claims first but goes on glowingbear who is the person boxer has pushed all day. Boxer continues to say glowing bear is scum, but counter claims fecal saying he's the doctor. There's no reason if you know ff is scum and your the doctor to claim in this situation with the rb still alive when your top scum read is still alive. Its an obvious sacrifice so that the rileblocker who,is probably eversince can live block ff and kill him. I'm nit voting him because either think we kill the other scum,and hope they are the rb. Except I cannot know if GB is scum and as I said in my previous post, I can even see Vonthin being the last scum since he jumps on me that easily. What makes you even so sure that FF claiming is correct and my claim is false? You cannot be sure except if you're scum. then you'd know my claim is correct. i don't know why you don't vote me straight away, it doesn't make sense at all. newbie scum not willing to commit in case a fellow scum member (ff) gets mislynched, obviously. | ||
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On October 26 2015 01:48 FarahBlackwing wrote: I've played the game you haven't ever, and talking about discrediting you've done nothing but either try to pacify me or discredit me. He's obvious scum gb, rels and fecal give me this lynch and we kill boxer tommorow. We then have to,do figure out last scum. rofl "i never play again on tl" and what was the shit EoD2 where you didn't do jackshit? where except D1 did you play the game? | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:02 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: boxerfred We lynch obvious scum today 100% of the times. I'm sorry Farah, but there is the possibility that BF was just going to the easy win (cc'ing) instead of trying to protect the roleblocker that vote confirms you as scum but why would you care since with my death, the game is lost for town. ggs | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:08 FarahBlackwing wrote: He never reevaluated anything about you gb. Well he's scum but I'll keep my vote here idc about "cred" I'm on the right lynch. Keep piling up the bullshit. You're doing a great job in distracting people from re-evaluating fecalfeast. Guys, this is not about Farah vs. Me. It's about FecalFeast vs. Me. So get off your fat ass and re-evaluate FF. Then, vote FF. or vote me and lose today, seeing how this day goes I'm glad with having it end right here. | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:11 GlowingBear wrote: No it doesn't confirm me as nothing. The problem isn't your counter claim per se, but the scenarios you bring with it. Instead of just pushing FF, you make a team where I'm still scum. And I've been almost the only one scum reading FF the entire game. So if that scenario only brings up scenarios where I'm scum, why do it in the first place when I could just sit back? Either I am doing a dumb af scum move or FF has done a strong af scum move. | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:19 GlowingBear wrote: You move isn't dumb. It's just not well done. If you claimed and went against FF, that would be ok. But you came with all these theories and didn't even reevaluate your reads with the confirmed scum. You've ADAPTED your reads to him. Which is different. Who did you protect night 1? Farah. | ||
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oh wait. | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:42 FarahBlackwing wrote: Why protect someone you are worried about and tinfoiling Because D1/N1, I townread you. Get your facts straight and stop misrepresenting out-of-context quotes, scummyscum | ||
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err, I am voting him? | ||
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On October 26 2015 03:27 FarahBlackwing wrote: It's implied I'm town because he said I'm doing the same thing rels would do in my scenario ie a town tunneling a town and mafia would converge on them. Obviously if he thought I was scum it wouldn't be that. But yeah Vont is probably scum ever as well. whatever you interpretate currently, I don't think you're town Oo. | ||
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votecount is wrong. | ||
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Town concede already please. idiots. | ||
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On October 26 2015 04:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: No your wrong gb. ##unvote ##Vote boxerfred The only wrong thing here is the votecount as it doesn't have GB's latest FF vote. Oh and "your wrong" is like the best reasoning to have, ever. THANK YOU GB gosh | ||
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