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The deadline is horrible for me again so /cohost
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On October 13 2015 18:16 Blazinghand wrote:
Made a change to the deadline just now
Well okay, this new one is good for me, so /in: Open.
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On October 13 2015 21:12 rsoultin wrote:
(also i don't actually randomize coaches cause i feel that newbies should get something out of their coaching...i'm pretty sure that bh does randomize. not 100% on that)
I've always tried to assign coaches that are on roughly the same timezone as the players and randomize with that constraint, since I feel it helps the communication (felt like that when I had coaches at least).
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On October 13 2015 23:39 rsoultin wrote:
and really, we tell these newbies oh you should try at scum, etc. etc. and half our vets can't be assed to and try to avoid coaching scum? it's kinda hypocritical, isn't it? certainly not showing a good example
Whether you would rather not coach the faction you suck at coaching has very little to do with trying far as I can see?
For someone like me who's definitely not up to par for scum coaching the only option would be not to coach at all until I can figure it out then - do we have such an abundance of coaches that only those who are good at both factions are enough?
It's not a question of "can be assed", it's a question of not wanting to sign up for a mentor role when lacking the skills for it...
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On October 14 2015 00:27 rsoultin wrote:
we're not asking coaches to be "good" at scum any more than generally we tell vets they can't coach newbies because they're not "good" enough at town...we're just asking you to be more experienced than a brand new player at playing scum which i think most people who think they're good enough to coach town can achieve, don't you?
I disagree that anyone "more experienced than a brand new player" is qualified to coach.
I also disagree that to be a coach you need to be "good at XXX" since coaching and playing are quite different.
And I do note that you said "most". I assume you mean that those who don't fit inside that should not coach at all, then?
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On October 14 2015 00:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 00:38 LoneMeow wrote:On October 14 2015 00:27 rsoultin wrote:
we're not asking coaches to be "good" at scum any more than generally we tell vets they can't coach newbies because they're not "good" enough at town...we're just asking you to be more experienced than a brand new player at playing scum which i think most people who think they're good enough to coach town can achieve, don't you?
I disagree that anyone "more experienced than a brand new player" is qualified to coach. I also disagree that to be a coach you need to be "good at XXX" since coaching and playing are quite different. And I do note that you said "most". I assume you mean that those who don't fit inside that should not coach at all, then? unless you want to put some sort of standards for who is qualified to coach on these games (and yes there are people who i'd want to coach new players over others, obviously...i make no bones about the fact that i don't see all coaches as equal and no i don't assume that the best players make the best coaches, though the majority of the time if you genuinely can't play the alignment and aren't just lazy as shit, you probably can't teach someone else to) then the first point is moot. if we're not actively preventing veterans from coaching then it doesn't matter and anyone with more knowledge than 0 is better than nothing
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then.
I'll just refrain from coaching at all until I feel qualified to coach both (all?) alignments.
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On October 14 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote:
in newbie games the biggest problem for both new town and mafia players is getting townread which really isn't much different from one alignment to the next
That may be, but that isn't what in my experience the newbies ask about, though. Pretty much all of my students have just been asking how to figure out alignments of others.
Also since my way of getting townread is heavily related to showing that you're trying to solve the game, it's a bit hard to advice that to someone who genuinely isn't trying to solve the game...
On October 14 2015 01:14 marvellosity wrote:
btw i'm not really following, do we have a problem with not enough coaches in general? what's the shindig?
Nope. We're having a problem with everyone who only wants to coach a specific alignment being lazy (rather than incompetent which I'd much rather admit being because it's true).
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On October 14 2015 01:27 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah that's not actually what Im saying lonemeow. I'm arguing against the idea that coaching newbie players is inherently different between alignments at the starting lvl. If being a town coach is about good reads then yes there are a lot of underqualified coaches myself included
See, it's not about good reads either, it's about giving advice that can lead to reads. I'll freely admit that I can't put most of the advice I give as coach into practice myself.
There's also all the overall strategy aspect that goes with coaching the scum team that I don't really have a good idea on so I would not be qualified to help with that.
But as said, I'm not volunteering to coach anymore so don't worry.
And I'm sorry for getting a bit heated here, but you did call me lazy hypocrite for doing what I thought was doing the right thing so I hope you understand why I got a bit ruffled.
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On October 16 2015 20:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I swear if I roll VT again tho...
VT is best.
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GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What?
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Actually,
##Vote: KelsierSC
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On October 18 2015 21:01 Rels wrote:
Would lynch: Shining, scott, KSC.
Care to expand your reasoning on scott31337?
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On October 18 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:(3) MoosyDoosy is being stupid, which isn't alignment indicative for him. But this post isn't good: + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2015 05:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I am bored. And i am trying to decide on a meta for this game. Should I go for the rayn townie that catches scum by looking back in the thread for inconsistencies and through hard questioning? Should I go for the rsoul townie that catches scum through relentless posts and tone reads? Or should I just go my idgaf mode and not care the whole game.
mmm...choices choices choices ... It's just a fluffy post that doesn't make sense. I can't understand what he means with "choosing a meta". There is no "choosing", you play the way you think is better or funnier, and your meta will be a consequence of it. Why is moosy considering "not caring for the game"? Again, it's just a post where he says nothing, and I don't like it. He answered me but I don't think it was satisfying.
This sounds like you'd be slightly scumreading him, but you listed him as null, why?
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On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people.
If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads.
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On October 18 2015 21:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:45 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:(3) MoosyDoosy is being stupid, which isn't alignment indicative for him. But this post isn't good: + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2015 05:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I am bored. And i am trying to decide on a meta for this game. Should I go for the rayn townie that catches scum by looking back in the thread for inconsistencies and through hard questioning? Should I go for the rsoul townie that catches scum through relentless posts and tone reads? Or should I just go my idgaf mode and not care the whole game.
mmm...choices choices choices ... It's just a fluffy post that doesn't make sense. I can't understand what he means with "choosing a meta". There is no "choosing", you play the way you think is better or funnier, and your meta will be a consequence of it. Why is moosy considering "not caring for the game"? Again, it's just a post where he says nothing, and I don't like it. He answered me but I don't think it was satisfying. This sounds like you'd be slightly scumreading him, but you listed him as null, why? Because he does this kind of scummy things as town so I don't think I had enough to had a scum read on him
Can you point out a game for me to check where he's done something similar? I've never played with him so not familiar with his meta at all.
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On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong.
Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it.
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On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong. Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it. how is this of any value if you already decided he was town?
I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that.
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On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The rest of his list doesn't make logical sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I want to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong. Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it. how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking?
Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions.
Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment?
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On October 18 2015 22:12 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:
GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
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This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
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Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
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So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong. Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it. how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? well you managed to provoke a reaction in my brain were I'm convinced you're stupid. good job
Glad to serve!
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On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:
GlowingBear is top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
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This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a paranoid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
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Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
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So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd want to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong. Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it. how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me.
Before we go any further into this, I want to know:
a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts?
b) What's your read on Rels and why?
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Fairly likely I was wrong about KelsierSC. I like his questioning of MoosyDoosy on the unfulfilled promise.
##unvote
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On October 19 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
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If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong. Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it. how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why? Can you answer the same question pretty please ?
I skimmed some MoosyDoosy's posts, for some reason they give me a headache.
And I read you as fairly strong town lean. I like the posts where you refuted Eversince's case on KelsierSC and the points on the MoosyDoosy/Vonthin affair.
I'm not sure I agree on MoosyDoosy being scum though, there are some posts that seem fairly emotional in a way that I think would be hard to emulate as scum. For example this:
On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny.
What do you make of boxerfred's switch from me to scott31337?
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On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:
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Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it.
how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why? Can you answer the same question pretty please ? I skimmed some MoosyDoosy's posts, for some reason they give me a headache. So when you answered BF's posts above, you had already read the whole thread ?
I started writing it before I had finished but posted it after.
On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:And I read you as fairly strong town lean. I like the posts where you refuted Eversince's case on KelsierSC and the points on the MoosyDoosy/Vonthin affair. I'm not sure I agree on MoosyDoosy being scum though, there are some posts that seem fairly emotional in a way that I think would be hard to emulate as scum. For example this: On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny. What do you make of boxerfred's switch from me to scott31337? Nothing alignment indicative about the switch. I noticed that his arguments for scumreading you were super bad though. Don't you think ?
To me the switch seemed kind of opportunistic, like he was trying to push me and then just jumped to someone else when that didn't stick. Note how all the reasons he uses to call scott31337 scum are already out when he makes his case on me - so it frankly doesn't make sense to me that he'd case me first, then just jump off like that.
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On October 19 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote:
Hey lonemeow I want to hand you from a tree how do you feel about that
I don't understand? Sorry, English is not my native language.
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On October 20 2015 01:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:
GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this:
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This is town thinking.
As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that.
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Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all.
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So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:
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I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why? Can you answer the same question pretty please ? I skimmed some MoosyDoosy's posts, for some reason they give me a headache. So when you answered BF's posts above, you had already read the whole thread ? I started writing it before I had finished but posted it after. Oh yeah ? In this post you both asked BF if he had read the thread properly and asked for his read on me: Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him. ##vote lonemeowEnters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up. On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:46 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:32 LoneMeow wrote:GlowingBear is Top town for me right now, not only did he get the game to move on from the "joke" phase but there's also this: On October 18 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
There is no such thing as "deciding a meta". You play to win and that's all.
This is town thinking. As for the FarahBlackwing, there's a ParanOid scenario I can see where the whole thing was orchestrated in advance but that's not relevant for now, I suppose. Unflipped players and all that. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
GlowingBear's list post: Before looking in detail at what he posted it feels too early to be making a list post. Half the game hasn't posted, it doesn't feel correct. Furthermore I can't understand why he feels the need to make a list post for one townlean that Has doubt to it, one scumlean and then just null players. the only post that anyone would have cared about at all was him calling me scummy.
Why wouldn't he make a list post? Some reads are needed to get the "serious" phase of the game started, I don't quite see that list post being scum motivated at all. On October 18 2015 17:24 KelsierSC wrote:
His scumread of me is, in typical GB fashion, wrong. I've explained my post above.
The Rest of his list doesn't make logical Sense to me but again that is typical GB.
I WanT to wait and see but if the lynch was now i'd lynch GB and Moosy.
So the read is wrong (ie. he's town misreading) but you'd WanT to lynch him (ie. he's scum)? What? again where did I say he was town? reading is really hard for some people. If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch. On October 18 2015 22:06 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:59 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:58 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:54 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:53 LoneMeow wrote:On October 18 2015 21:51 KelsierSC wrote:On October 18 2015 21:49 LoneMeow wrote:
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If his read on you is wrong then you are clearly implying he's town. Scum doesn't have "right" or "wrong" reads. no it just says he is wrong. Okay, so why exactly is he scum? Why was the list post bad at the time it was made, besides being a list post? To me it seems much more like town mentality to try to get the game moving in a more serious direction after the "joke phase" as some call it. how is this of any value if you already decided he was town? I'm interested in your alignment, and you explaining your though process and logic helps in that. then why vote me before asking? Vote is also a tool to provoke reactions. Why do you not want to help me figure out your alignment? So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me. Before we go any further into this, I want to know: a) Have you read the entire thread or just skimmed some parts? b) What's your read on Rels and why? You just said you had read the thread completely before posting this. Seems that you missed something ?? Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 19:59 boxerfred wrote:Moosy/scott interaction is also interesting because of this: On October 18 2015 06:33 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also I kind of regret signing up for BH games in the first place. I always roll town in them which is getting super super boring. This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here... On October 18 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 18 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:On October 18 2015 05:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB can i bus you again? And there is a QT to discuss this Moosy, you shouldn't be telling that to everyone else welp too late. ##Vote: GlowingBear And a shit early vote. Now he's spamming up the thread. I'm not caring for this play so far. GB is a slight townlean - and that's about it. I don't think this is a scum interaction. Moosy pushes me, scott nullifies that plus points out negative things in moosy's playstyle. So I don't think at all they are mafia together. Scott keeps it up: On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak. Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old. Pressure, questions, and then he drops it: On October 18 2015 07:35 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 07:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 18 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:On October 18 2015 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean. I'll give you guys a legitimate reason to scumread me if you want it. Right now the stuff ya'll are flinging is weak. Explain your vote on GB like I'm five years old. I decide to have a bit of fun as GB was my Mafia partner in the game where I doubled bused my partners. As a result, I ask him as a joke if I can bus him this game. GB understands the joke and says that I should say it in the QT. As a continuation of the joke I say it's too late and remark that I'll be confirmed town after the "bus" and then vote for GB. Just was making sure - Thank you. To Shining on the GB read - a bit of meta (I've guessed him correctly the last three games) - a bit of playfulness and making sense. I mean I didn't like Kelsier's entrance persay either, but I was going to wait until later in the day to see if he shows up. I didn't see anything else really worth pointing out when I read the thread. And now he disappears. I mean I can see the things on scott but I can't imagine scum scott and scum moosy interacting in that way that early in the game, it just doesn't make sense. So I'd say we have scum in between moosy/scott but I wouldn't say both are scum. I townread kels and I clearly townread rels from what I see so i'm glad to help on that wagon. ##unvote ##vote scott12345 So you read the thread, you read BF's posts I assume because he's someone you suspect; but you have missed that he townread me ?
Do note that I asked him why which was what I was mostly interested in.
On October 20 2015 01:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:On October 20 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On October 19 2015 23:45 LoneMeow wrote:And I read you as fairly strong town lean. I like the posts where you refuted Eversince's case on KelsierSC and the points on the MoosyDoosy/Vonthin affair. I'm not sure I agree on MoosyDoosy being scum though, there are some posts that seem fairly emotional in a way that I think would be hard to emulate as scum. For example this: On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny. What do you make of boxerfred's switch from me to scott31337? Nothing alignment indicative about the switch. I noticed that his arguments for scumreading you were super bad though. Don't you think ? To me the switch seemed kind of opportunistic, like he was trying to push me and then just jumped to someone else when that didn't stick. Note how all the reasons he uses to call scott31337 scum are already out when he makes his case on me - so it frankly doesn't make sense to me that he'd case me first, then just jump off like that. Re evaluating is a town indicative thing. It super weird to me that you put suspicion on BF on re evaluating reads, which is town indicative; and not on his god awful case on you.
Re-evaluating would be fine, but I just don't see anything in the posts that hints at that; I'd expect a re-evaluating townie to at least note something like "X is still scum but Y looks even worse" when switching from the guy he cased to someone else.
I suppose the trap is no longer going to work anyway, so yes, the horribleness of the case was why I originally started suspecting him. I was trying to trap him on you having essentially done the same thing he based his case on me yet calling you town and me scum.
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On October 20 2015 01:22 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 01:08 LoneMeow wrote:On October 19 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote:
Hey lonemeow I want to hand you from a tree how do you feel about that I don't understand? Sorry, English is not my native language. hand is a typo for hang
Well I would obviously prefer to avoid that. Why would you want to do that?
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FarahBlackwing, what's your read on scott31337 right now?
In a vacuum, I think I'd rather lynch scott31337 than Eversince, but my top scum read is voting for him which gives me a bit of a pause.
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On October 20 2015 04:17 GlowingBear wrote:
LM you're town. Vote sicklucker with me.
I would not be against that but I doubt we can get enough votes on him in the time remaining. Don't want the lynch to be so close that scum gets to decide.
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Can't figure this out. Sheeping Rels.
##vote: scott31337
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