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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 08:48 GMT
#1701
OK I guess I'll go, see you soon folks.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
October 24 2015 09:15 GMT
#1702
playing vermintide sorry
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 10:42 GMT
#1703
back
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 10:49 GMT
#1704
Before rereading anything I have the following thoughts:
- FF is town because he's playing his town meta. I know it's not strong, but it will be enough for today.
- BF might be town because he immediately jumped on the FF wagon instead of staying on Moosy. Don't know why scum would do this.
- Vonthin might be town because he's looking for the scumteam while being the main lynch target, not just for 1 person he could mislynch instead of him.

Onto filters now.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 10:50 GMT
#1705
Anyone present give me a shout.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 11:23 GMT
#1706
On October 23 2015 11:44 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 11:40 The Shining wrote:
On October 21 2015 03:40 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hi I should probably put together a list in case I die or something.

I feel like several things still indicate that ever since is scum, the way the votes piled on town Scott makes it seem a bit strange. The promise of activity but almost none since along with some associative things heavily shows that ever is scum.

If we have a vigilante I would shoot eversonce for information on how wagons were formed and why people went where.

Lone probably looks the absolute worst out of everything yesterday. He asks me to explain my case because he's considering it and just throws a vote with a stupid reason and afks(?) that's just not town behavior at all.

SL and moos are probably the most likely in the third position. I'm leaning more towards moos because of his misrepresentation of the case on ever since and going along with boxer instead of pushing anything else. And then just not being helpful at all to town after that.

Sl still has a chance with a wasted vote, but I don't think that's as telling as others do.

If I die in pretty sure that shining is town and shouldn't be lynched. Kelsier is town even if I'm annoyed at him for not going with the stronger case during the night.

Rels I think is town as well, the way he pushed his case makes me feel that way.

Be back around deadline if anyone has any questions.


And then there's this legacy post. But im gonna choose to look at it objectively instead of 'oh newbie leaving a legacy, muset be town' because reading this actually blew my mind a bit.

Knows I'm town. Knew Kelsier was town. Rels as town. Towned SL in a later post. Like if I choose to believe SL is town and I know my own alignment, I start getting a little mindblown at how accurate her reads are for someone new to TL, whether she has access to OGI about me or not. Hm


scum knows theres a veg. Her legacy post is like 90% telling the veg to shoot eversince.lone/me/mosse

I know 3 of those are town and eversince is probably town because of so much factors. So I dont think this means anything its a pretty smart thing to write as scum to suggest a shot on 4 towns.

My god. This is the best thing I've ever read this game.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 11:30 GMT
#1707
On October 24 2015 03:10 sicklucker wrote:
So its more like this

sl- the scum team is fara/vonthin/shining
rels- HUM I HAVE NOT READ THE THREAD SL IS SUCM OH WAIT ITS FARA/VONTHIN.SHINING
sl=I TOLD YOU THAT ALREADY IDIOT
rels- stop copying my reads you parrot
sl= dude its obv farah is dandreds wife and there may be some truth to this
rels- LOL YOUR RIGHT

this is acualy what happened dude your something else heh

hahahaha he was super right I dismissed his big post so hard
sry buddy, glad you are dead so I'm out of my tunnel now
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 11:44 GMT
#1708
##Unvote
##Vote FarahBlackwing
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 11:52 GMT
#1709
On October 23 2015 08:52 sicklucker wrote:
Farah refuses to see the game outside of eversince (possible third mafia in a vontis world) uses eversince to not engage in other things.

On October 23 2015 09:28 sicklucker wrote:
farah do you understand that vont and eversince are never on a team? theres so much evidence against it like vonti voting against eversince when the vote count was 4-4 putting eversince at 5.

So how can you think both eversince and vont are scum?

Fara never answered that question until super late:
On October 24 2015 03:20 FarahBlackwing wrote:
they aren't probably its you vont and someone else.

So now I assume she dropped her ES' scumread. Replaced her by SL.

Now she's voting Vonthin. Doesn't have any idea who could be his partners in her mind; ES was dropped and SL was killed.

Finally, this little gem just after deadline:
On October 24 2015 05:56 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Here's what I think, the game is still hard but pretty win able if we go about this in a good fashion.

Firstly rels is our confirmed town so already we have a good lead on this. (1) confirmed town at this juncture.

Now we need to find 4 more to finish the game and win it. Or at least shorten the lynch pool for today.

So "we need to find 4 townies to have scums by POE".

On October 24 2015 07:11 FarahBlackwing wrote:
I didn't answer plenty of what sl asked, also Poe is a horrible reasoning and it's something that nobody can defend against and as I understand it doesn't make anyone scum. So yes it's bad reasoning and bad play in this case with so many people not playing and you unable to answer anything about why I'm scum.

"POE is bad"

LOL
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 11:54 GMT
#1710
Plus the thing above: Fara was directing a vig shot but not a cop check, indicating TMI on setup. Her targets were "ES for info" and 3 townies.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 11:55 GMT
#1711
On October 24 2015 20:30 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 03:10 sicklucker wrote:
So its more like this

sl- the scum team is fara/vonthin/shining
rels- HUM I HAVE NOT READ THE THREAD SL IS SUCM OH WAIT ITS FARA/VONTHIN.SHINING
sl=I TOLD YOU THAT ALREADY IDIOT
rels- stop copying my reads you parrot
sl= dude its obv farah is dandreds wife and there may be some truth to this
rels- LOL YOUR RIGHT

this is acualy what happened dude your something else heh

hahahaha he was super right I dismissed his big post so hard
sry buddy, glad you are dead so I'm out of my tunnel now

Sry though you didn't beat me on the Damdred revelation. It was a glorified synchronized french union discovery.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 24 2015 13:36 GMT
#1712
I want to hang GlowingBear. He was always under the radar. He wasn't too active at any point. The other arguments that were brought up were decent. And here's another thing that makes me think he's scum:

On October 23 2015 03:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 03:52 Rels wrote:
On October 23 2015 03:50 Rels wrote:
On October 22 2015 11:40 The Shining wrote:
Ohhhhh goodie I'm getting out of work a little early tonight. I'll be back in about an hr and a half, commute home from work and all. Bbs

I really really really want to lynch that

Unless he's getting replaced. It's him or Fara


Failure to vote usually means you get modkilled. Wait for it

And kill Moosy anyway. He is a nuisance.

He was the one who started the Moosy votes. After successfully lynching Moosy, shifting thread sentiment against me with the TMI argument, he says during night that he doesn't really care or something like that.

As I said D2 already: a lynch between Farah and Eversince would've been a good idea. I strongly think that only one of them (most likely Eversince) is scum. But after Farah's weak EoD2 and the weird Shining/Farah interaction I'm not so sure of that anymore. I'm down to say that in a world where Farah or ES are scum, the chances are distributed like 70-30 or maybe even 60-40.

GlowingBear in the meantime is the one who did nothing all the time. His D1 started with a "lol we're both scum" interaction with Moosy, a resemblance to their previous game. That already sent some townies on the wrong track. He also jumped to my defence when Moosy pushed me D1 which makes sense as scum but not as town. As town, you want to pressure people into getting more answers, especially low volume posters like me. As scum, you're fine to see people fight about lynches that do not target your fellow scum members, so of course you sometimes defend townies. GB pocketed me with that, I never really looked into him apart from my rather general thoughts during D2.

On October 18 2015 09:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2015 08:01 KelsierSC wrote:
moosy and then one of GB/shining are scum probably.

The mafia QT probably looks like "hi dude we both rolled mafia LOLOLOL let's shit up the thread"


You suck.

This is an awesome answer. At that point, GB isn't ad hom to anyone, except to kelsier who starts scumreading him at this point. Why would GB defend me in a well-reasoned manner and then just answer to kelsier in that way? Only difference in those situations is that in a), I (town) am under attack and scum!GB is fine with whatever way the pressure goes while in b), GB (scum) is under attack and of course he doesn't want that to gain traction. Right?

Next up, more fillers:

On October 18 2015 09:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Moosy, why are you looking so handsome today?

On October 18 2015 10:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2015 09:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 18 2015 09:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Moosy, why are you looking so handsome today?

I'm meeting a girl today.

Oh wait! She's right here!


[image loading]


Followed by a list post:

On October 18 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
(1)Farah looks townie for her posts. She is objective and her opening is straight forward to the point, asking "what is a bus" when she saw something she couldn't understand in thread. A little bit of WIFOM argument: I don't think she would ask what is it directly to the thread, but in the scum QT. As a first-timer, I would expect that she would be a little cautious before posting things in thread and be agressively scumhunting if she was scum.

The only thing that is making me wary of her is that she is not trying to see players coming through all perspectives even when I inquired her to do so. Being that aggressive and tunneled already in the beginning of the game isn't townie, and it's very rare on townie first-timers.

(2)The Shining's opening is horrendous IMO. It felt forced and tried to hard to give us the idea that he is town. The "someone be obvscum" thing isn't convincing. I don't like it. Also, these posts doesn't add up: + Show Spoiler +
On October 18 2015 05:33 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2015 05:28 FarahBlackwing wrote:
So moosydoosy claimed mafia unprompted and then glowing bear tries to cover foe it.

That doesn't make any sense I think both of you are mafia now. It makes no sense logically for that to happen.


I think this is your first, or one of, your first games here, right? Unfortunately that's how TL works sometimes. People like to start the game off silly and carefree until a good majority of the players show up and get down and dirty


On October 18 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2015 05:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:30 The Shining wrote:
Ohaithere guys. This is probably one of the first games that im not starting halfway into the day phase. This is weird.

Yeah I'm at like a 90-95% town roll rate and it apparently hasn't changed. It's amusing, but boring.

Someone be obvscum for D1 red flip pls

I am such a shiny town.


K i might want to lynch you. I am the shiny town here, good sir, why do you want to be like me? Because you are scum!


If the TL meta UNFORTUNATELY have the joke phase, why participating in it? I mean, if you don't like it, why estimulate it? It doesn't make sense to me.

This post is very okay, tho:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 18 2015 06:59 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2015 06:33 scott31337 wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also I kind of regret signing up for BH games in the first place. I always roll town in them which is getting super super boring.


This seems like your trying to push this a little too much - just a thought here...

On October 18 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2015 05:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB can i bus you again?


And there is a QT to discuss this Moosy, you shouldn't be telling that to everyone else

welp too late.

##Vote: GlowingBear


And a shit early vote.

Now he's spamming up the thread.

I'm not caring for this play so far.

GB is a slight townlean - and that's about it.


This entrance is weak. Scott doesn't comment on anyone else except a slight townlean on GB(who is asking people about Moosy, the only other player mentioned here). He distances himself from his first thought in saying Moosy he's pushing the fact that he's town a little hard but its "just a thought."

Then he picks on an obvious joke vote and conversation between GB and Moosy to slight town GB and suspect Moosy?

Why is GB slight townlean? Flesh that out for me.


(3)MoosyDoosy is being stupid, which isn't alignment indicative for him. But this post isn't good: + Show Spoiler +
On October 18 2015 05:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I am bored. And i am trying to decide on a meta for this game. Should I go for the rayn townie that catches scum by looking back in the thread for inconsistencies and through hard questioning? Should I go for the rsoul townie that catches scum through relentless posts and tone reads? Or should I just go my idgaf mode and not care the whole game.

mmm...choices choices choices
... It's just a fluffy post that doesn't make sense. I can't understand what he means with "choosing a meta". There is no "choosing", you play the way you think is better or funnier, and your meta will be a consequence of it. Why is moosy considering "not caring for the game"? Again, it's just a post where he says nothing, and I don't like it. He answered me but I don't think it was satisfying.

(4)KelsierSC can't do this as town:

Show nested quote +
On October 18 2015 08:01 KelsierSC wrote:
moosy and then one of GB/shining are scum probably.

The mafia QT probably looks like "hi dude we both rolled mafia LOLOLOL let's shit up the thread"


Kelsier is a very logical player, saying something this bad as town isn't his fashion.

(5)Vonthin, I wasn't liking this guy too much. Especially because he said this:

Show nested quote +
On October 18 2015 08:38 Vonthin wrote:
I don't understand this game lol, nothing like the few games I've played in or obs'd. So much shitposting to provoke people or to just cause chaos, I don't know why towns people would do this


(i) he opened the game by saying town should not care to survive and go scum hunting, but then (ii) he does nothing in order to scumhunt and (iii) participates in the jokes just to say this.
Reading this post in a vacuum, however, conveys town vibes it really seems he is struggling with the terrible start. I'm not sure what to think.




That's all I have for now.

So, basically, Farah townlean, Kelsier scumlean, others null-ish.

I'd like people to talk about things I've brought here.

...which has kelsier as a scumread and, interestingly enough, Farah as a townread. The same Farah that actually removed GB for weak arguments from her "pool of potential scum" D2:

On October 21 2015 06:37 FarahBlackwing wrote:
So that leaves me with a pool of six people and three of them are scum.

Gb is the next person I would eliminate from the lynch list. She has been looking for scum it seems, initially it looks like she is also trying to get me to look at alternatives when early when I was interacting about moos. Some of it I disagree with but her reaction to ff voting Scott was interesting as scum has little motivation to jump on and off if Scott is scum.

This leaves us with a lynch pool of ever, Vonthin, fecal, boxer, moos.

This is where the game gets really difficult for me.

This whole post is scummy for the following reasons:
a) townread D1 by GB, Farah removes GB for "well he tried a bit to hunt scum" reasons from her scum pool.
b) "scum has little motivation to jump on and off if Scott is scum" - that's a town alignment argument from Farah towards GB. However GB uses the same argument but reconstructs it as a TMI to push me because I jumped off MoosyDoosy and on FF.

To me it's pretty clear that GB and Farah are 2/3 scum members together. Sicklucker also started townreading Eversince so at this point I'm pretty sure we have bad town Eversince and scum!Farah. My best bet would be a GB/Farah/Shining scumteam because of some tinfoilhatty "they know themselves outside in RL" and because I think since D2 that Shining is a bad player.

Also, in GB's list post D1, he soft-bussed already on Shining, saying that he had a horrendous entry to the game. GB is definitely capable of doing that simply to be able to stay under the radar as soon as anything against his scummate Shining gains traction.

##vote GlowingBear
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 24 2015 13:39 GMT
#1713
GB/Farah is the way to go.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 24 2015 13:49 GMT
#1714
Would prefer GB since I am 100% sure to have located scum while I still have that tinfoilhatty shit with Farah. I had her so fucking locked as town and her entry to this day (the idea of "wait, everyone show that he's town") is actually a good idea IMHO. We need three fucking correct lynches in a row if it's not for a doc. Right?
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
October 24 2015 14:32 GMT
#1715
##unvote
##vote farahblackwing


A few things before I die.

1) While I'm not the most experienced when it comes to poe to take a quote from damdred "While poe seems good its a trap that old players fall into and some newer players. Its built around the premise that we want to be lazy and not put work in past a point. Can't defend against it and ends up making you lose games lynching down a list". He laughs about it because he tries to poe games but yeah.
2) Next game you are in try not to tunnel people for such weak reasoning rels. You don't even try to answer the questions I posed of scum motivation in certain things I do. So as confirmed town you should feel bad.
3) It must be nice playing real newb games instead of this sham where we only have three newbies and people treat this like a normal and ignore them for the most part day one and onward until they want to lynch them.

Good game and good bye
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 14:42 GMT
#1716
On October 24 2015 23:32 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##unvote
##vote farahblackwing


A few things before I die.

1) While I'm not the most experienced when it comes to poe to take a quote from damdred "While poe seems good its a trap that old players fall into and some newer players. Its built around the premise that we want to be lazy and not put work in past a point. Can't defend against it and ends up making you lose games lynching down a list". He laughs about it because he tries to poe games but yeah.
2) Next game you are in try not to tunnel people for such weak reasoning rels. You don't even try to answer the questions I posed of scum motivation in certain things I do. So as confirmed town you should feel bad.
3) It must be nice playing real newb games instead of this sham where we only have three newbies and people treat this like a normal and ignore them for the most part day one and onward until they want to lynch them.

Good game and good bye

1 - well, is this quote from his database too ?
2 - I'm not attacking you because of POE. In fact that is what you yourself are doing, finding townreads to limit the lynch pool.
3 - What are your reads ?
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
October 24 2015 14:47 GMT
#1717
Hey look more down talking to the newb poking fun at me using damdreds database I'm glad I won't play again after this.

Yesterday you made it clear it was poe, and you in fact still are stuck on a poe of me and shining and you are trying to shape your ideas around that.

I've given my reads or attempted to start converstions to give them but I don't feel like playing in a game where the inevitable end is staring me in the face while you the confirmed town ignore the other afks or people unwilling to so things instead focusing on the newb who tried this game. Rels scum mvp
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 14:50 GMT
#1718
yeah and today I have arguments for you being scum. I have no idea what are you reads, so either quote them or restate them
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 24 2015 14:51 GMT
#1719
You shouldn't care that I was scumreading for reason X yesterday when it's not the case anymore
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 24 2015 14:55 GMT
#1720
Could you guys stop right now and read my GB shit?
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