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On October 23 2015 03:53 GlowingBear wrote: Failure to vote usually means you get modkilled. Wait for it And kill Moosy anyway. He is a nuisance. He was the one who started the Moosy votes. After successfully lynching Moosy, shifting thread sentiment against me with the TMI argument, he says during night that he doesn't really care or something like that. As I said D2 already: a lynch between Farah and Eversince would've been a good idea. I strongly think that only one of them (most likely Eversince) is scum. But after Farah's weak EoD2 and the weird Shining/Farah interaction I'm not so sure of that anymore. I'm down to say that in a world where Farah or ES are scum, the chances are distributed like 70-30 or maybe even 60-40. GlowingBear in the meantime is the one who did nothing all the time. His D1 started with a "lol we're both scum" interaction with Moosy, a resemblance to their previous game. That already sent some townies on the wrong track. He also jumped to my defence when Moosy pushed me D1 which makes sense as scum but not as town. As town, you want to pressure people into getting more answers, especially low volume posters like me. As scum, you're fine to see people fight about lynches that do not target your fellow scum members, so of course you sometimes defend townies. GB pocketed me with that, I never really looked into him apart from my rather general thoughts during D2. This is an awesome answer. At that point, GB isn't ad hom to anyone, except to kelsier who starts scumreading him at this point. Why would GB defend me in a well-reasoned manner and then just answer to kelsier in that way? Only difference in those situations is that in a), I (town) am under attack and scum!GB is fine with whatever way the pressure goes while in b), GB (scum) is under attack and of course he doesn't want that to gain traction. Right? Next up, more fillers: On October 18 2015 09:55 GlowingBear wrote: Moosy, why are you looking so handsome today? Followed by a list post: On October 18 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote: (1)Farah looks townie for her posts. She is objective and her opening is straight forward to the point, asking "what is a bus" when she saw something she couldn't understand in thread. A little bit of WIFOM argument: I don't think she would ask what is it directly to the thread, but in the scum QT. As a first-timer, I would expect that she would be a little cautious before posting things in thread and be agressively scumhunting if she was scum. The only thing that is making me wary of her is that she is not trying to see players coming through all perspectives even when I inquired her to do so. Being that aggressive and tunneled already in the beginning of the game isn't townie, and it's very rare on townie first-timers. (2)The Shining's opening is horrendous IMO. It felt forced and tried to hard to give us the idea that he is town. The "someone be obvscum" thing isn't convincing. I don't like it. Also, these posts doesn't add up: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2015 05:33 The Shining wrote: I think this is your first, or one of, your first games here, right? Unfortunately that's how TL works sometimes. People like to start the game off silly and carefree until a good majority of the players show up and get down and dirty On October 18 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote: K i might want to lynch you. I am the shiny town here, good sir, why do you want to be like me? Because you are scum! If the TL meta UNFORTUNATELY have the joke phase, why participating in it? I mean, if you don't like it, why estimulate it? It doesn't make sense to me. This post is very okay, tho: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2015 06:59 The Shining wrote: This entrance is weak. Scott doesn't comment on anyone else except a slight townlean on GB(who is asking people about Moosy, the only other player mentioned here). He distances himself from his first thought in saying Moosy he's pushing the fact that he's town a little hard but its "just a thought." Then he picks on an obvious joke vote and conversation between GB and Moosy to slight town GB and suspect Moosy? Why is GB slight townlean? Flesh that out for me. (3)MoosyDoosy is being stupid, which isn't alignment indicative for him. But this post isn't good: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2015 05:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: I am bored. And i am trying to decide on a meta for this game. Should I go for the rayn townie that catches scum by looking back in the thread for inconsistencies and through hard questioning? Should I go for the rsoul townie that catches scum through relentless posts and tone reads? Or should I just go my idgaf mode and not care the whole game. mmm...choices choices choices (4)KelsierSC can't do this as town: Kelsier is a very logical player, saying something this bad as town isn't his fashion. (5)Vonthin, I wasn't liking this guy too much. Especially because he said this: (i) he opened the game by saying town should not care to survive and go scum hunting, but then (ii) he does nothing in order to scumhunt and (iii) participates in the jokes just to say this. Reading this post in a vacuum, however, conveys town vibes  it really seems he is struggling with the terrible start. I'm not sure what to think.That's all I have for now. So, basically, Farah townlean, Kelsier scumlean, others null-ish. I'd like people to talk about things I've brought here. ...which has kelsier as a scumread and, interestingly enough, Farah as a townread. The same Farah that actually removed GB for weak arguments from her "pool of potential scum" D2: On October 21 2015 06:37 FarahBlackwing wrote: So that leaves me with a pool of six people and three of them are scum. Gb is the next person I would eliminate from the lynch list. She has been looking for scum it seems, initially it looks like she is also trying to get me to look at alternatives when early when I was interacting about moos. Some of it I disagree with but her reaction to ff voting Scott was interesting as scum has little motivation to jump on and off if Scott is scum. This leaves us with a lynch pool of ever, Vonthin, fecal, boxer, moos. This is where the game gets really difficult for me. This whole post is scummy for the following reasons: a) townread D1 by GB, Farah removes GB for "well he tried a bit to hunt scum" reasons from her scum pool. b) "scum has little motivation to jump on and off if Scott is scum" - that's a town alignment argument from Farah towards GB. However GB uses the same argument but reconstructs it as a TMI to push me because I jumped off MoosyDoosy and on FF. To me it's pretty clear that GB and Farah are 2/3 scum members together. Sicklucker also started townreading Eversince so at this point I'm pretty sure we have bad town Eversince and scum!Farah. My best bet would be a GB/Farah/Shining scumteam because of some tinfoilhatty "they know themselves outside in RL" and because I think since D2 that Shining is a bad player. Also, in GB's list post D1, he soft-bussed already on Shining, saying that he had a horrendous entry to the game. GB is definitely capable of doing that simply to be able to stay under the radar as soon as anything against his scummate Shining gains traction. ##vote GlowingBear | ||
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On October 25 2015 02:42 Rels wrote: I thought you were considering a GB + Fara scumteam ? On October 24 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote: Would prefer GB since I am 100% sure to have located scum while I still have that tinfoilhatty shit with Farah. I had her so fucking locked as town and her entry to this day (the idea of "wait, everyone show that he's town") is actually a good idea IMHO. We need three fucking correct lynches in a row if it's not for a doc. Right? Bro you're tunneled as fuck on farah and it's a bad thing. My Farah scumread is tinfoilhatty but I'm really sure that GB is the last scum. Read my case. | ||
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And thanks FF for claiming. I know I'm not supposed to counterclaim but - FF isn't the vet. He is scum trying to get the real doctor to counterclaim. The setup is Vig, Town, RB/GF/Goon. I am doctor, I softened it two times already: On October 23 2015 18:57 boxerfred wrote: I didn't trick anyone. The most likely scenario is that scum Shining/Vonthin want to push me because they're running out of mislynch targets. Tbh I thought that I'd be the nightkill since I feel like I'm being town read a lot in general and also have decent reads. Thing is that since I started soft-pushing farah, I get pushed a lot, even Rels now says that "maybe I tricked" him - why? Can't save myself from the night kill. I can see scum pushing me so they can safely kill of the one confirmed town player in this game which would be Rels. On October 21 2015 19:52 boxerfred wrote: I like Vonthin's response to my questions, I dislike that he scumreads me. He's not the lynch for today though imho. Let me bring his scum read on me up: I think you refer to one big, seemingly confusing post only and this is a post that is built up quite logically: I caught up, and while I was catching up, I quoted posts that I deemed interesting. I even said that on top of that post. Go have a re-read of that post. Regarding my Moosy read: I contradicted myself in that read. I was wrong, that's about it. That's why I later said that it was bullshit. I also refrained from my Moosy scumread although it really bothers me that he's not around. So no, I have not continued pushing Moosy, you're misrepresenting the facts. However I still do not have a townread Moosy, although I liked his posts N1 a bit. Third, regarding the "I just skimmed" case - it was simply honest, sorry if that makes me look bad. Read into that whatever you want, I don't care. ____________ I'm wondering why Farah pushes a MD lynch since her case on ES was/is good. Why the preference now that MD apparently isn't here? Also why that townread on Shining? I don't get the "emotional" argument at all, one can fake his/her meta. Elaborate please. Then again, I wonder why Farah removes GB from her "remaining scum" list. I think your reads of shining and GB are really weak. I also dislike that Fecalfeast comes into the thread once he's under pressure. Why not do this before? Not interested to solve the game? If so, why not? I strongly think there's scum in between GB and FF, maybe MD but I don't have a solid case on that. I guess MD will break my neck the longer I survive in that game because I cannot tell if he's town or scum but I still have that scum feeling. I had the same fucking feeling in the game we played when he was scum and talked everyone into oblivion, however I was mislynched before being able to get him lynched. I actually have a good grasp on that game, SL and MD are the only ones I don't have at least a reasoned opinion on. That, among with my standing as a townread person, will probably get me shot soon. Well, some casualties cannot be prevented. Fecal as of now I don't have the time to really look at the games you mentioned towards me. Hold me at it, I'll try to do so this evening. The lynch should happen in between FF/GB/ES/Shining. I think those guys have the highest chance to flip scum. Second tier lynches are MD/SL(though GB scumreads him which actually makes me rethink that)/VonThin. Don't lynch: Farah. Never lynch: Rels, boxerfred. Both bolded parts mention the fact that Doctor cannot heal himself. The scumteam consists of FF/GB/Farah and that's it. FF is the 100% lynch, he's scum willing to exchange to the Doctor. I'm counterclaiming because I feel like we're fucking close to mislynching ES (NOTE THAT SICKLUCKER ALSO SAID ES IS TOWN BEFORE HE DIED BUT HAD CONCERNS TOWARDS FARAH!!!!) ##unvote ##vote FecalFeast safest call here | ||
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killing me ends the game right then. don't be stupid. | ||
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The whole Rels vs. Farah discussion feels like Farah is trying to get herself lynched (even with a self-vote) to get herself killed - my case happened just before that. Farah is Goon, GB is the Roleblocker, FF is the Godfather. They know that the doc is around so FF claiming vet is a great play to exchange Doctor for a useless GF, especially since it happens on a call from a confirmed town, which is Rels. By allowing that play and justifying it, Rels is indeed scum MVP. I healed Rels every single night, except N1 where I healed Farah because I thought her case on ES was really good and the flip on scott turned out to be town. If we lynch me or ES today, the game is over and lost. If we lynch GB or Farah or Fecalfeast, the game is won. That is it. It just makes sense. Farah didn't dare to touch me in the beginning - I hard townread her. When I started to put suspicion on her because her weak night and her weak EoD2 and the weak reasons to reduce GlowingBear from her scum pool, she instantly started to shift pressure on me. Earlier this day, she engaged with Rels up to the point that she'd "never play a game on tl.net" again yet she is arguing in exactly the same way she did before she got in that discussion. How is that town? This is a pressured scum raging, nothing more. Also look at how she pocketed Shining be regularly townreading him. Also note how FF jumps in and Farah comes right after - alarm bells in scum qt must be ringing. I'm confident that the game is solved in its entirety. Lynch between FF/GB/Farah. FF is the way to go because he's confirmed scum after my claim. GB on the other hand is the roleblocker that Farah wanted to safe. It doesn't matter at all though since I'll be dead in the next night. Eversince, Vonthin, Shining, Rels, we're the townies in here. Since Vonthin and Eversince are under suspicion from the scum team, it's up to Shining and Rels to win the game. You have to decide if it's FF/GB/Farah or BF/Vonthin/ES as Farah paints it. Basically this day comes town to a lynch between FF and me. Lynch FF and survive another day for the next lylo. Lynch me and lose the game right now. Again: I softened doctor several times. Sicklucker picked that up in one post where he said "that guy is not vt". He saw the hint. He is a confirmed town so it's not a scum mate building up my reputation. FF comes out of nothing with a vet claim that strongly helps scum in finding the Doctor. Kill FF. | ||
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I mean guys seriously, look into Fecalfeast's D1 and D2. He stayed under the radar all of the time. He let Moosy/GB spam up the thread D1, he jumped safely on the Moosy lynch D2, and when Rels offers him the opportunity, he claims. And then look at the last pages: it's martyr-"I never play here again"-farah and FF himself of course that jump on my ass once I fucking counterclaim. I am the doctor. There is no veteran in this game. You guys need to understand that. Vonthin, stop spitting out useless posts but instead re-evaluate your fucking reads. We're in LYLO so all I ask you (and everyone) is to re-read FecealFeast and me and then decide who appears more towny. Also go ahead and ask me questions. In a world where I am scum and counterclaim Fecal, GB is probably scum with me, right? So I'd be there to sacrifice myself, right? Now tell me, why the hell would I do this when I was the one who made a huge case on GB being scum before? "Hey I set you up for a lynch now I sacrifice myself"? How does that make sense? Especially if you think that I brought that case to everybody's attention again and again? It's just dumb. FF is scum. That is all the magic. With him it's GB/Farah. Look at the huge difference between Farah vs. Rels and now Farah vs. me. Basically it's "hey I'm fighting confirmed town so let's just pretend I'm upset" into "hey look the guy CC'ed so I can easily get him mislynched and win the game for town". The pattern basically is: 1. Farah is interrogated by a tunneling townie: let's play upset and go martyr. 2. boxerfred makes a CC because he's the real doctor: let's get the guy hanged and discuss in a friendly manner. ad 1: she clearly wants to stir up chaos and nullify her answers. she's even REFUSING to answer to the guy who's confirmed town. ad 2: she really wants to get me lynched. Me, the doctor. Please imagine what would've happened if I would've claimed Doctor before FF would've claimed vet. FF says "I'm vet" and I say "I'm doc", we both have our breadcrumbs (although mine are pretty clear and his is rather..), but Farah doesn't even consider that I'm correct. She clearly is scum! Given that I'm Doc and FF fakeclaimed, boom, he's scum, too. And I still like my case on GB so that makes him the 3rd scum member. Could even be Vonthin, given how dumb he jumps on me right now. So kill FF, kill Farah, then carefully look at GB/Vonthin. GB, if you're town I fully expect you to vote Fecalfeast. Same goes for anybody else. Pretty much anyone that jumps on me right now is scum except fucking Rels. | ||
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On October 26 2015 01:44 FarahBlackwing wrote: FF claims first but goes on glowingbear who is the person boxer has pushed all day. Boxer continues to say glowing bear is scum, but counter claims fecal saying he's the doctor. There's no reason if you know ff is scum and your the doctor to claim in this situation with the rb still alive when your top scum read is still alive. Its an obvious sacrifice so that the rileblocker who,is probably eversince can live block ff and kill him. I'm nit voting him because either think we kill the other scum,and hope they are the rb. Except I cannot know if GB is scum and as I said in my previous post, I can even see Vonthin being the last scum since he jumps on me that easily. What makes you even so sure that FF claiming is correct and my claim is false? You cannot be sure except if you're scum. then you'd know my claim is correct. i don't know why you don't vote me straight away, it doesn't make sense at all. newbie scum not willing to commit in case a fellow scum member (ff) gets mislynched, obviously. | ||
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On October 26 2015 01:48 FarahBlackwing wrote: I've played the game you haven't ever, and talking about discrediting you've done nothing but either try to pacify me or discredit me. He's obvious scum gb, rels and fecal give me this lynch and we kill boxer tommorow. We then have to,do figure out last scum. rofl "i never play again on tl" and what was the shit EoD2 where you didn't do jackshit? where except D1 did you play the game? | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:02 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: boxerfred We lynch obvious scum today 100% of the times. I'm sorry Farah, but there is the possibility that BF was just going to the easy win (cc'ing) instead of trying to protect the roleblocker that vote confirms you as scum but why would you care since with my death, the game is lost for town. ggs | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:08 FarahBlackwing wrote: He never reevaluated anything about you gb. Well he's scum but I'll keep my vote here idc about "cred" I'm on the right lynch. Keep piling up the bullshit. You're doing a great job in distracting people from re-evaluating fecalfeast. Guys, this is not about Farah vs. Me. It's about FecalFeast vs. Me. So get off your fat ass and re-evaluate FF. Then, vote FF. or vote me and lose today, seeing how this day goes I'm glad with having it end right here. | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:11 GlowingBear wrote: No it doesn't confirm me as nothing. The problem isn't your counter claim per se, but the scenarios you bring with it. Instead of just pushing FF, you make a team where I'm still scum. And I've been almost the only one scum reading FF the entire game. So if that scenario only brings up scenarios where I'm scum, why do it in the first place when I could just sit back? Either I am doing a dumb af scum move or FF has done a strong af scum move. | ||
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