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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 01:10 GMT
#1681
Meh. Now off to sleep...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 25 2015 01:42 GMT
#1682
Finishing up dinner shortly, then I'll read up. Taking requests for analysis
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 25 2015 01:43 GMT
#1683
I hardly believe any scum would put so much effort in a case like that on me.

But I'm not scum.
I'm adorable.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
October 25 2015 03:17 GMT
#1684
On October 25 2015 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:
I hardly believe any scum would put so much effort in a case like that on me.

But I'm not scum.



But does his case hold water? Like the meta?

I havent fully read it yet. I am getting some sleep now.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
October 25 2015 03:33 GMT
#1685
Day 2 Vote Count


Xatalos (2): raynpelikoneet, Onegu
raynpelikoneet (1): Xatalos
GlowingBear (1): Chromatically

Not listed (7): Vivax, Blazinghand, gumshoe, GlowingBear, Hopeless1der, ritoky, yamato77

Looks like it's time to sack Xatalos for being a traitor!
Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The quality control list is here.
The automated list counter is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.

Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 04:38 GMT
#1686
On October 25 2015 09:46 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.

Xata is making zero sense here.

##Vote: Xata

What was it that Xata said that made zero sense?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 04:55 GMT
#1687
I will not be here for a large part of tomorrow, so I want every town in this game to look hard at my case on GlowingBear and investigate him yourself. Look at his pushes this game and compare them to how he plays as town and as mafia (I even provided the filters so you can do it yourself). I feel really, really good about this case and I think this is a fantastic chance to get a mafia lynched. I really don't think there's a better case on anyone else at this point.

Xatalos is very likely town based on his activity and his clear drive to figure out the game alone. rayn/Onegu, I think you should step back from the game and see that Xatalos is one of the few people really trying to figure out this game. That's not enough to prove him town, but it's really a very strong argument for it and I think there's no way he is the best lynch today.

Xatalos, I think you really have to stop considering everything through the lens of rayn being mafia. There's always a chance that rayn is town, and if your read on him is wrong you don't want every other mafia read you've made to be wrong. You should consider everything based on what's objectively scummy now, and then worry about associations later once we have a mafia flip. That's not to say you should stop pursuing rayn if you think he's the most scummy, but don't make that assumption as a basis for all of your other reads.

I agree that I am liking Onegu less and less. Why would you ask GB if the case on him holds water? There's certainly no drive to figure out the game. I didn't like some of the other stuff he said today either (suspicion on ritoky and gumshoe, meta read on rayn seemed kind of like TMI).

rayn, can you answer my questions about GB and Hopeless?

I'm sorry if this post came across as me trying to lecture others. I don't mean to lecture and I don't think I'm a better player than the others in this game.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 25 2015 04:56 GMT
#1688
On October 25 2015 09:46 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.

Xata is making zero sense here.

##Vote: Xata

What was it that Xata said that made zero sense?

This question is for Onegu to answer, in case he doesn't see it.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 25 2015 08:32 GMT
#1689
On October 25 2015 12:17 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2015 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:
I hardly believe any scum would put so much effort in a case like that on me.

But I'm not scum.



But does his case hold water? Like the meta?

I havent fully read it yet. I am getting some sleep now.


I don't know, I haven't read the case since I'm town, so that automatically makes his case completely wrong
I'm adorable.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
October 25 2015 08:42 GMT
#1690
I'm suspicious of rayn myself. Xata is most likely town but playing quite erratically, and rayn goes after him before he goes after GB who has been doing really scummy shit, I find that hard to compute.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
October 25 2015 09:38 GMT
#1691
On October 24 2015 18:03 marvellosity wrote:
just popping in to say i'm not playing this game until either xata or i are dead, because apparently i'm not allowed to replace out because i loathe playing with someone this game.


Good news marv is going to play the game now.
Oh wait.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
October 25 2015 10:16 GMT
#1692
Announcement on daylight savings - European players have just fallen back one hour this morning and we are aware that North American players will fall back the coming Sunday (2 Nov).

The correct deadline times are now reflected in the latest daypost and in my Day 2 vote counts.
(Rels will update the OP when he wakes up.)

This said, North American players will revert to their 1700 ET deadline when they fall back next week.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
October 25 2015 10:28 GMT
#1693
Anyway going over marv's filter he more or less ended where I was at the start of D1. Well done marv, you've improved (I love writing this when he can't reply).

So Xata, ritoky, gumshoe probably town. Never felt a reason to question that besides when Xata found the tinfoil hat I'm seeming to miss this game, that made me curious but doesn't give me much reason to doubt the alignment still.

BH dropped off the town list, he has entered the circle of crap now and it's D2 so he can quit the act now. I'll, take a closer look at him after posting this.

Chrom is still null cause his posting to me still feels very...controlled. Now this feels important:
It seems like he's out there with his thoughts but the way he packages them and always only posts stuff that seems relevant gives me the feeling he tries to fulfill his duties but doesn't really have fun playing.
I guess his ritoky joke was an exception but it felt so dry that I get doubts whether he thought he was actually being funny.
Reminder to check if he's always this boring and to the point in every game.

GlowingBear is still mafia and I don't think I need to add more to the reasons for thinking that.

And rayn keeps saying that too but then finds another target to maneuver to. I've been noticing this trend since D1 but attributed this to his ego thinking there's a better target. However at EoD I vividly remember him saying how mafia GB is while going for Slam and I was totally expecting him to be with me on him at the start of D2.
No way jose, he yet found another guy to choose over GB and now that's really itching me to the point I stopped wearing the eyepatch with town rayn stitched on the inside.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
October 25 2015 11:32 GMT
#1694
Chrom probably town for content, he mostly stands where I do on various people (except that yamato should absolutely be taken into consideration for mafia again cause after his sporadic tryharding on D1 he has fallen off the radar a lot, and posted some excuse about him playing a game, this time it was CS. Last time he posted one it was as mafia and he was playing Smash).

Meta wise I find him a tough nut to crack, so I'm going with the towny thingy for content, effort etc. . I just feel like he stands more on my side of things with his content in this game as opposed to say rayn, Onegu who I currently don't trust.

Actually everyone who's suspicious of Xata makes me itch inside.

I'm going with hopeless town for reasons of sanity and cause he actually didn't post that little, even though the content quality remains the usual.

Scum is among yamato/rayn/GB/Onegu/BH. Contributing to this game means finding out who the two townies are.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
October 25 2015 11:46 GMT
#1695
On October 25 2015 13:55 Chromatically wrote:
rayn/Onegu, I think you should step back from the game and see that Xatalos is one of the few people really trying to figure out this game. That's not enough to prove him town, but it's really a very strong argument for it and I think there's no way he is the best lynch today.


I agree that I am liking Onegu less and less. Why would you ask GB if the case on him holds water? There's certainly no drive to figure out the game. I didn't like some of the other stuff he said today either (suspicion on ritoky and gumshoe, meta read on rayn seemed kind of like TMI).



Actually I'm putting Chrom back to null cause I feel like these two parts from the last post feel strange to me for the fact he's talking to rayn and Onegu in that moderating way, then voices suspicion about Onegu.

Shouldn't he be like: "I'm also suspicious of Onegu cause he's attacking Xatalos who I think is really obvious town"?

Oh god he's so hard to decide on -_-
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 13:07 GMT
#1696
Hm yes.... Vivax, I actually agree with you on everything you said in those posts. Vivax/ritoky/gumshoe are town, and Chromatically is almost there, but there's this nagging suspicion left. Hopeless could also be town, not sure why, but I felt his posts were very relaxed... But they were still useless, so he's more of null. Hm. BH I still think is more likely town, but it's dropped quite a bit since he's been pretty inactive after the RNG-stuff.

Vivax: do you think rayn and GB are doing some sort of long-term double bus plan? That sparked my interest. It's a bit hard to believe because they both actually seemed content with lynching each other at points during D1... And from what I gather, they still want to lynch each other even now.

However, it could be interesting to have votes focused on rayn/GB today. If they would indeed both be scum, it should show in how the day plays out in that case. Let's make that happen if possible.

Chromatically: I am considering that GB could be scum even with the anti-association to rayn (although that might not be as strong as I thought?). It's just that rayn/Onegu seem to fit well as scum together, and both have extremely much dropped in their performance going into D2. Both are also voting for me... Even though I'd say I'm objectively at the highest level of obv-towniness on meta alone. Similar, or more compared to Vivax.

I'd say the scumteam is rayn+Onegu+Yamato/GB (with MAYBE Hopeless/Chromatically/BH in there).

Which makes me sad, because both rayn and Onegu were up for lynch right until the end on D1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 13:10 GMT
#1697
And even more sad because it removed one of my highest town reads in exchange...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 13:11 GMT
#1698
So people, vote for either rayn or GB today for now, I think. We can take care of the final choice later, but I want to see how things develop if they're actually forced to go against each other.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
October 25 2015 13:30 GMT
#1699
I'm looking for reasons to townread GB pretty hard, I suspect that large part of me just wants to lynch him for the shitty push so I need to make sure I'm not being emotional here.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 25 2015 14:11 GMT
#1700
Meh. I'm not sure if the push on you was really scum-motivated. It was bad, sure, but scummy? Why would scum GB want all that pressure on himself by pursuing you?

Still not completely decided on GB myself... And I would prefer rayn/Onegu for today.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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