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Blazinghand
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if you do want to actually lynch Hopeless (and I can't tell anything from his filter other than that he seemed vaguely itnerested in the game then never tried and stopped posting) you have to commit to shennannying at the deadline if he's gonna get modkilled, Onegu The reason I bring this up is because I'm imagining the following situation: We pull together a wagon on someone and lynch him, and then you never come back all day and hopeless1 gets modkilled, and you do not particupate in the town discourse all day and we don't know anything about you, and you never had to take any stances.... So here's what Iwant from you, 1gu: a commitment to shenannie if Hopeless1 isn't going to get modkill, and you take part in the day's discussions. What do you say? | ||
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Blazinghand
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no wait you can't just unvote you also have to like, talk about things | ||
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Blazinghand
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On October 26 2015 14:44 Onegu wrote: I am sleeping now. ahahaha | ||
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1. 1gu shows up, ignores everyone, votes Hopeless1 who hasn't posted and is likely to get modkilled 2. 1gu decided to peace out 3. I am like "ok dude that is not acceptable. You want to lynch Hopeless1? fine, we'll do it by shenannies if we have to. It's a crap idea to vote him though cause he's probably getting modkilled. either be on him and be ready to shenanny off, or get off him and join the discourse" 4. 1gu is like "haha no i'm just gonna peace and not talk about anything, likely because I am scum" 5. Vivax comes in, and, unable to see due to the pantaloons firmly wrapped around his face, says that I suggested shenannies on hopeless "without really making a decision in GB + yamato" which while not literally false (since I haven't weighed in there yet) definitely misrepresents what I did 6. BH points out that Vivax is really bad 7. Vivax apologises profusely | ||
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Blazinghand
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let me make it one hundo percent clear for you then: 1gu just fuckin bailed after being aclled out on opting out of the discourse no thoughts on this vivax? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On October 26 2015 17:22 Vivax wrote: BH where is your contribution in finding out who is mafia in all that? I do admit that I was hasty in reading it as you suggesting a hopeless lynch. But that means you didn't suggest anything, you told Onegu how to play the game. let me show you what's what boyo ##vote Onegu plus I think we both know that I dont' need to do anything to prove myself innocent since I'm getting shot tonight regardless. I am free of the feelings of "pressure" that others may feel since the only guy who might get shot ahead of me normally, rayn, has given up on playing the game. and yes I think rayn is town | ||
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On October 26 2015 17:26 Vivax wrote: No you aren't getting shot, don't try to pull the cocky card on me. Rayn is town in your opinion but GB and yamato have lots of intel on them floating around here and you don't want to pick up on it. look man long and the shrot of it is I think GB is town, just look in my filter for cogent arguments ( I forgot what they were, but I amde them, so they must be cogent) and yamato77 isn't playing so if I had to take a pick I'd lynch yam, sure. but it's not like there's stuff that yam has been doing today for me to analyze. What, you want me to talk about how he did nothing, promised he'd stop, showed up, and then did nothing and left? whoop de frickin do, yes, lynch Yam then. Fine. He's obviously an infinitely better lynch than GB who might actually play the game. Let's not kid ourselves though, there's nothing to actually analyse today and all these people posting long tracts of info, while very praiseworthy for their effort, haven't said more about situations today than I have as of this post | ||
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Blazinghand
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Currently things are pretty crappy today in terms of contributions, etc. I wouldn't expect much analysis today to be wrothwhile because all the scummiest players are following the strategy of "literally never post ever all day and night and never say anything, except to show up to say they're not saying things" like, against this strategy, there's not a whole lot that can really be done. I think Yamato77 is a fine lynch. I don't know if he has an amazing chance to flip scum, but it's not like we can really not lynch someone who is lurking like that. Hopeless1 and 1gu fall into this category as well, Hopeless1 is probably getting modkilled. Amazingly, despite your complaints about me, I'm a "good contributor" today relative to most people. Between GB and Yam, GB is a townier player. he LOOKS scummier, but that is literally only because he has put nonzero effort into playing the game. Yam has said few scummy things because yam has said nothing at all. There's nothing to analyze about Yam. If we lynch him, we are committing to a policy, or perhaps meta lynch. I am fine with that. But I also don't think there's erally a lot to talk about. I've said what needs to be said. I'm fine with Yam. I'm fine with !gu. Hopeless1 will be mked. We can lynch him if he comes back. GB has actually m ade enough posts that people think he's scum, so... coutnerintuitively, let's not lynch him today capisce? | ||
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On October 24 2015 09:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am glad you also warned the troll. Thank you. Which makes me think he really can't be scum | ||
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On October 26 2015 17:35 Vivax wrote: All I'm saying is that I don't think it's a good idea to work towards a third wagon right now unless you have reasons to lay out that yamato and GB might be town. We can only deal with 2 wagons at EoD without giving the three malicious voters too much leverage on the lynch. I voted Onegu earlier myself but I have to compromise with other dudes who I think are town and share at least a scumread with me, cause just one vote won't decide anything. So I see it as bad strategy and potentially scummy way to not do anything if you just ignore the 2 main wagons and do your own thing without considering what others are thinking. I'll have a look at your cogent arguments for GB being town if I find them. I'll summarize them for you, hold on just a sec | ||
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Blazinghand
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I don't see scum responding to a free vote this way. This is hilarious and fun and spontaneous and probably not what a scum player would do, because scum has to be more calculating. Here's a snippet of you and I discussing GB (edited for some mistakes): On October 24 2015 03:19 Blazinghand wrote: So Vivax, if I understand what you're getting at here, you were tonereaded by GB as scum. After people came in to defend you, GB then said "Vivax is pushing easy targets, so he's still scum". Why is GB scum and not a tunnelled townie for this? I think you raise a good point with the marv flip-flop (though again, marv is easy to read this game, so we don't really care about him) but "this guy got tunnelled and changed his reason for scumreading someone" seems like... well, in a vacuum it seems like the kind of thing a townie would do, especially if it's a little unpopular. Scum could easily change reads (as you note GB did on Marv), so why not do that on you? If I've missed context here, fill me in. Also, if I recall accurately you were one of the early supports of the RNG lynch on rayn. However, glancing through your filter, I don't see anything other than cursory interactions with him between voting him and now, and yet he's no longer on your list. You also write: Which wasn't too long ago. Where do you stand on rayn, and why? I'm not saying "hurr durr vote rayn now" but I'd like to see a clear statement from you on your position on raynpelikoneet, who which I think addressed my thoughts on the early GB play pretty succinctly. On October 24 2015 03:26 Blazinghand wrote: I consider this moderate evidence that GB is town. It would be the easiest thing in the world for GB to drop this, right? So him sticking to it means he must really BELIEVE it (however incorrectly?) more than he cares about living. This isn't a dumbtell, it's a determinedtell. For example, the biggest shitfests between 2 people are always "town and town" cause nobody is more determined and stubborn than a tunnelled townie. I think this is fair point that I make here. This is what tunnelled townies look like. Is it possible, here, Vivax, that you're scumreading GB just because he scumread you, and that got you mad or at least biased? It's a really common thing for Town to OMGUS people, (town or scum), that call them scum, especially for clearly irrational reasonsl ike GB expressed. Now, we can say ":GB is irrational, and we expect town to have a certain logic" and that's a fair thing to say! for sure! but at the same time, scum ALSO has a certain logic. They're looking out for #1. They're not gonna do this, not after getting opposition from rayn and marv, right? They'll blow which way the wind is going, and be forgotten about. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On October 26 2015 17:44 ritoky wrote: can you people seriously stop defending rayn? seriously. he is refusing to play until xata is dead or just flat refusing to play. stop enabling him. either he is mafia and is being mafia and you're wrong. or he is town and actively sandbagging the game for his team. stop defending him and his behavior. Look, ritokty. You know me, right? You and I played together in Cell Mafia, and you got to see how ruthless I was as scum. I was willing to lie about a house move, a HOUSE MOVE, I took photos of boxes and everything, and pretended comcast disconnected my internet, etc, JUST to get a tiny edge in a game of mafia. I'm ruthless. I'll do anything to win. I don't care about what's right, or what's easy-- just what wins the game. and what I think, is that rayn is not someone we should lynch right now. I think we give him a chance to get back in the game. when I read his angry posts, like you, I thought, "here's a guy who could easily be scum pretending to be mad in order to avoid contributing". And when he tapered off and did nothing, I thought my concerns were justified. And maybe they are! Maybe rayn reailly IS SCUM. This could be true. But I think there's a good chance he's not. I did vote him, you know, until that post, that one post, that niggling doubt, took over me. Rayn arguing witht he mod. Rayn using green text. Doesn't that SOUND like something rayn would do as town? Doens't that sound like real anger? And now maybe, deep down, you're mad at rayn, you think he is town but youw ant to punish him. You think his play is unacceptable and he should be lynched even if he is town to punish him. I understand that. I know where you're coming from. I know what you're feeling becasue I felt it. that kind of play,r egardless of laignment, is bad. It WOULD be poetic justice, even if rayn was town as you might feel inside, to lynch him, for being so bad, for his insolence, for giving up. But you know what ritoky? I'm ruthless. I don't care about justice. I just want to WIN. as scum, i'm willing to lie, to manipulate, to brag, to photoshop, to twist things to win. And as town? I'm willing to throw away my principles. I don't care wehther or not rayn is sandbagging, I don't care whether or not he deserves to die. I just want to win. Look inside yourself, ritoky. Do you hate rayn for what he posted? Or do you think he's scum? I think he's just mad. I think maybe you think that too, and youw ant to punish him. Don't do that. Be ruthless. Make youer heart cold. Let's play to win. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On October 26 2015 17:50 ritoky wrote: i still think my list is right....maybe....also i haven't really read since i last posted, so i still feel as right as before, which is helpful. lynching into yamato, gb, rayn, hopeless. hopeless really depresses me this game. cuz even if he does come back, barring town rainbow colored poo, i see no way i will make it through the duration of this game not lynching him...that thought depresses me greatly cuz he was funny on day 1 and i thought he was kinda town. I am banking on hope,lss1 getting modkilled. If he comes back and votes (which would allow him to avoid modkill), I will vote him. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On October 26 2015 17:52 ritoky wrote: BH, why is it so hard to get ppl to vote on GB? i think 75% of the game or more has thought he was mafia at some point or another? I actually don't think the dude is scum, which is why I'm not voting him, but you do raise a good point that if people have been scumreading him and don't want to vote him, that could be a sign of mafianess. IMO the best thing to do in a situation like this is to point out the people individually. Let's say, for example, that Xat (hypothetically) scumreaded GB, but now that the vote comes up, decided to vote for someone else and just stopped calling GB scum. Call that out! Just call out the individuals who have scumreads on GB and aren't voting him. I'm about to On October 26 2015 17:53 ritoky wrote: playing around modkills always comes back to bite town.... i would know, i have used the ninja vote as mafia tactic before to great effect. I give my vow as the shennannigan king that should Hopelss1 return to doj a modkill I will shenannie onto him SO HARD | ||
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Blazinghand
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Well make it tho just wait | ||
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