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On October 26 2015 08:03 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 06:34 gumshoe wrote:On October 26 2015 06:18 Chromatically wrote:Uh what? On October 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote:
I think it's too early to lynch slam Your argument is that GB, as mafia, would never defend the lynch target like this because it would turn suspicion back towards him. This post is literally never going to convince anyone not to vote Slam. Like... as mafia he's 100% safe making this post because it will have 0 effect on whether people vote Slam or not. He says that Slam is town again later closer to lynch, but at that point there were 0 votes on GB and 4 on Slam, so GB isn't even a lynch target at all. You assume Gb is bieng totally level headed / : as a scum player, I personally feel tremendous fear to do things that directly contribute to my death or the death of my teamates. We can deduce that Gb was emotional, which is not impossible to be as scum (especially when your actually in a losing position, as opposed to where Rayn was) off his outburst in thread. When the Slam wagon switched, unless Gb is a tremedous actor immense releif would have rolled over him. To then have right away have the peace of mind to recognize your own powerlessness and do something that directly hurts your cause is something I do not think scum Gb could accomplish on his own, given his mental state, and I doubt he would be coached to do by his team. That and I read him as a fuck up townie, not a desperate scummer / : but thats more a feel thing that comes from lots of games of bieng a fuck up townie than anything else, so its harder to elaborate on. You're kind of telling a story here, and it's possible this story is actually true if you assume that GB is a very very emotional player and was very very scared by the possibility of the wagon being directed back to him and that he would just be unable to say anything to defend Slam for fear of being lynched. The simpler alternative is that GB just threw out a statement about Slam without worrying about it, knowing that it would have zero effect on the wagon on Slam and even less effect on the wagon on him.
I'm telling a story based off my own experiences. This is how I feel in these positions and how I've noticed others feel. Could I be wrong? Possibly but my strength as a player is reading townies (usually pretty right when It comes to this), and I'm telling you unless Gb is a very effective liar he is not scum / : the possibility that he has fooled me and others who credit themselves with reading emotions, is of course real but far less than the odds that Yamato is scum for the arguments I brought up above. Whats more if Yamato is scum, based of his interactions with Gb, Gb is not scum (Gb was Yamatos only real hardcore push)
Our two reads are direcly opposed to one another and because Yamato looks objectively worse than Gb theres no way I'm willing to lynch gb first. If yamato flips town, fine, then all bets are off. But till then I really dont see why we would bother lynching anyone else.
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Fact 1) Yamato looks worse than Gb.
Fact 2) Gb and Yamato are not scum together.
Result? We lynch Yamato before Gb.
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On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:03 Xatalos wrote:On October 26 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
I'd basically like to shoot these people right now if I had a gun....
- GB: completely static scumread on Vivax that's not affected by anything happening in the thread, and I actually noticed that marv disproved his reasoning during D1 (by showing that Vivax had made overly confident reads before) but that didn't affect anything... it just does indeed feel like he picked someone to scumread and continued calling him scum no matter what... + overall low effort and disinterest towards anything happening in the game... some of the nice posts he's made can't really absolve him at this point
- yamato: playing according to his scum meta (inactive, disinterested) - there's one town game where he was inactive as well, but mostly he's been relatively active and a good asset as town, there's nothing like that to be seen here....
- Onegu: gave a high townread for rayn, voted for him over his nullread at deadline when the lynch was still completely undecided.... just this alone I think is impossible for town, he did make an "RNG sheep" vote in a previous game but I just can't accept he would choose to vote for his (supposed) highest townread based on some meta-joke... it just shows that he has zero interest towards solving the game or doing anything... and he has refused to answer several questions from different players that probed into his nonsensical arguments over the game
- rayn: disinterested towards the lynch result of D1 (basically sheeping/OMGUSing away to whatever he could), then just started spamming/lurking and caring even less about scumhunting than before
So yeah, I'm basically content if any of these players ends up getting lynched right now.... It looks like we still have 3 mislynches even, so I doubt we can lose if we start by cleaning up this pile of scummy. marv never disproved anything, marv disagreed with me, which is different. And my read on Vivax progressed as he came back to the thread. It's all in my filter. And no, I'm not mafia. Have you ever considered him to be town after the first minute...? I guess you did offer alternative lynches at times, like rayn. I'd really like to hear your overall reads right now. Yes, I've tried to read him coming from a townie perspective. He could be town? Yes, but I'm fairly certain he isn't. I have you as town for filter length and activity, you seem to care about the game which is the towniest trait one can have right now. I have chromatically as town, still. I find hard to believe any scum would put so much effort into writing a scum case on you and me, reading filters and shit. I think Rayn can be mafia but his rage quit is giving me pause. Nonetheless, his flip on me + slam's read on him all points out to him being mafia. I don't trust his rage on slam very much because, well, he knows how slam plays and slam was actually being productive - but productive against Rayn. I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch. Hopeless has some townie posts but some of them are too similar to Avogadro's mini mafia. I think gumshoe might be town just because he is defending me. I can't see mafia motivation behind defending me. Now that yamato is extremely unproductive I can see him being scum. As I said, yamato is one of the players that we can have better reads on later days. And here we are. I don't know what to do with BH. Some of his posts seems very townie, others seems like fluff. I particularly dislike his "eternal dining" posts. On the other hand, I think the has being thinking about the game critically, so he is probably town. I don't know if I forgot someone.
Remember how Yamato attacked you for bullshiting against Vivax? Then casually switched over to accusing Vivax once the chance of your lynch evaporated?
Theory- wouldn't that make sense, if you were wrong about Vivax and Yamato knew this cause he was scum?(hence why he was so certain you were making shit up as you went along, from his perspective as scum it would look exactly like that to him no matter you were saying about Vivax, cause the bottom line would be that your wrong)he then was fine with switching onto Vivax because wait for it! Hes scum -_-
Proposal- Lets lynch Yamato, then we can come back to Vivax, if Yamato is scum, then wouldn't that tell you a bit about Vivax?
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The choice should definitely be Yamato and Onegu, but the difference between them was best put by Marv.
Doesn't mean i should want to lynch Onegu, a shit-tastic troll player over --, who actually plays the game.
people expect things of Yamato, whereas this game is par for the course with Onegu / : both are fine lynches but the edge should definitely go to the guy who if scum, was playing based off a scum agenda and was actually trying somewhat.
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On October 26 2015 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh yes, ritoky.
Well I can't read ritoky tbh. Tone reading, he seems townie.
But he lacks some insightful posts that I usually expects him to do as town.
Ritoky is town for the same Reason Yamato is scum.
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.
It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam)
compare this to Yam
no (in reponse to a last second bus on Onegu)
I find it hard to believe that Yam actually considered Slam more scummy then Onegu(this really was slams best game in a while). When prompted to switch he didn't, if he is scum, no matter what Onegu flips it's bad for him. If Onegu flips town, Yamato just led a last second switch off his Slam scum read making him look pretty terrible... If Onegu is scum, he just killed a teamate for no reason XD.
Tldr, anyone who was apart of the last second push onto Onegu is probally town, Yamato was not one of these people though he had the chance to be, this in conjunction with his other sketchiness means Yamato is the best lynch T_T please vote for Yamato.
Yamato 2015
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On October 26 2015 08:47 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 08:35 gumshoe wrote:The choice should definitely be Yamato and Onegu, but the difference between them was best put by Marv. Doesn't mean i should want to lynch Onegu, a shit-tastic troll player over --, who actually plays the game. people expect things of Yamato, whereas this game is par for the course with Onegu / : both are fine lynches but the edge should definitely go to the guy who if scum, was playing based off a scum agenda and was actually trying somewhat. LOL that quote was originally about GB and Onegu. Thanks for helping my case  And is it actually true that "people expect things of yamato"? I was under the impression that he's been mislynched a fair few times for lurking/doing nothing as town too.
I know XD I blurred out GB's name. Yamato is a very experienced player, even when lurking you can see his usefulness. Theres none of that this game, all his actions have been a detriment to town. Onegu is a shit poster troll with a place in callers pantheon. Theres really no comparison between them.
Also do you really think Gb is scum with Yamato? If not (which is what you should think, cause thinking otherwise would be derp) then just vote Yamato, he is far sketchier then Gb XD and if he flips scum you can easily rule out Gb as a suspect. This lynch is basically as good as lynching Gb, except we get to keep Gb and lynch scum : D
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On October 26 2015 08:58 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe, lots of people weren't involved in a switch onto gumshoe and they clearly aren't all mafia. I didn't switch and marv didn't switch at the very least.
Honestly I'm not that convinced on yamato at all. He's like 90% a lurker lynch for me. I don't think he's done anything I found particularly scummy (other than not posting a lot) so I feel like it's a coinflip compared to GB/Onegu.
I never said that 0_0 only that the people who switched onto Onegu are town, the Yamato thing was just a bonus.
explain to me how his slam read makes sense from a town perspective.
Also answer my godamm question
ARE YAMATO
AND GB
SCUM
TOGETHER.
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On October 26 2015 09:08 Chromatically wrote:
Well you had a whole post about yamato being scum because he didn't switch to Onegu, and I was just pointing out that that applies to a lot of other players.
I think you misread/misinterpreted some quotes in that first yamato case. He says that he disagrees with a townread on Slam, then that he doesn't have a solid read on Slam, and then that he's not opposed to killing Slam and gives some reasoning before voting him. Those really aren't inconsistent with each other at all.
As for yamato and GB being together, it doesn't really matter right now. Maybe they can be, maybe they can't, but it's no use thinking about it until one of them flips mafia. I think GB is much more likely to flip mafia, so he's the one I'm going after.
In between these two statements, a list is proposed to him, he says one player on it he wouldn't call scum, based off his prior refusal to town read slam, we can deduce hes other bieng misleading, or hes telling us that hes ok with slam bieng scum.
The reasoning he provides for Slam bieng scum completely parrots Marvs reasoning (that Slam wouldn't react that way) Slam later confirms that he did find slam scummy
you bore me
what do you think about them?
going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless
not much has changed
If Yamato didnt think slam was scummy, dont you think he would say that? As opposed to this shit? He also says nothings changed -_- like Chrom wtf? how do you want me to fucking take this post? This is mafia, not a giving waffley sons of bitches the benefit of the doubt simulator.
As for them bieng together. Of course it matters -_- if Yamato flips scum then Gb is 100 percent town. If they are buds, why would Yamato redirect godamm fucking Marv onto Gb.
[quote]Literally scumreading Vivax because too many townreads
Confident Vivax is town Vivax. Paranoia is not a trait, but a symptom of his overconfidence in his own reads. He's so convinced he's right, he doesn't care if everyone else reads the player town, THAT PLAYER IS MAFIA
Plus he defends me for ? reasons just to throw more shit at Vivax
meh
marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more[/quote]
Getting Marv to go after Gb is one of the surest ways to get Gb killed. It's like throwing A FUCKING NUKE AT SOMEONE. and it almost results in Gb's death -_-.
Gb never says much about Yamato, if Gb flips green or red it says absoloutley nothing about Yamatos alignment. But if Yamato flips scum? We can totally write off gb do you honestly not see that?
cmon Chrom T_T.
So please please please vote Yamato, if he flips green I will sheep whatever lynch you want for the rest of the game. Just houmer me today, will yah?
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On October 26 2015 09:58 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On October 26 2015 09:08 Chromatically wrote:
Well you had a whole post about yamato being scum because he didn't switch to Onegu, and I was just pointing out that that applies to a lot of other players.
I think you misread/misinterpreted some quotes in that first yamato case. He says that he disagrees with a townread on Slam, then that he doesn't have a solid read on Slam, and then that he's not opposed to killing Slam and gives some reasoning before voting him. Those really aren't inconsistent with each other at all.
As for yamato and GB being together, it doesn't really matter right now. Maybe they can be, maybe they can't, but it's no use thinking about it until one of them flips mafia. I think GB is much more likely to flip mafia, so he's the one I'm going after. In between these two statements, a list is proposed to him, he says one player on it he wouldn't call scum, based off his prior refusal to town read slam, we can deduce hes other bieng misleading, or hes telling us that hes ok with slam bieng scum. I mean he literally explains "I disagree on ritoky and I don't have a solid read on any of BH, slam, or Onegu" right? Show nested quote +The reasoning he provides for Slam bieng scum completely parrots Marvs reasoning (that Slam wouldn't react that way) Slam later confirms that he did find slam scummy you bore me
what do you think about them?
going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless
not much has changed If Yamato didnt think slam was scummy, dont you think he would say that? As opposed to this shit? He also says nothings changed -_- like Chrom wtf? how do you want me to fucking take this post? This is mafia, not a giving waffley sons of bitches the benefit of the doubt simulator. This is something I think you're misreading, I assume the underlined part in the nested quote is the intended reading of that: Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:53 yamato77 wrote:On October 24 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote:ebwop yamato I'd like some answers to the following two question. 1: What did you find scummy about slam early on? Slam I don't really agree on. in response to Slam and Hopeless are town why? also what about hopeless? what made you read him as town? has anything changed? you bore me what do you think about them? going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless not much has changed Show nested quote +As for them bieng together. Of course it matters -_- if Yamato flips scum then Gb is 100 percent town. If they are buds, why would Yamato redirect godamm fucking Marv onto Gb. Literally scumreading Vivax because too many townreads
Confident Vivax is town Vivax. Paranoia is not a trait, but a symptom of his overconfidence in his own reads. He's so convinced he's right, he doesn't care if everyone else reads the player town, THAT PLAYER IS MAFIA
Plus he defends me for ? reasons just to throw more shit at Vivax
meh
marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more Getting Marv to go after Gb is one of the surest ways to get Gb killed. It's like throwing A FUCKING NUKE AT SOMEONE. and it almost results in Gb's death -_-. Gb never says much about Yamato, if Gb flips green or red it says absoloutley nothing about Yamatos alignment. But if Yamato flips scum? We can totally write off gb do you honestly not see that? cmon Chrom T_T. So please please please vote Yamato, if he flips green I will sheep whatever lynch you want for the rest of the game. Just houmer me today, will yah? I am a firm believer in the fact that the best lynch is always the one that is most likely to flip mafia, and I think that's GB over yamato at this point. Lynching for information like this is nearly always a really bad idea. And after we get a mafia flip, there will be lots of information to analyze regardless of who it is. GB's flip might not say much about yamato's alignment (haven't really thought about it), but it would definitely give information on a bunch of other people. But that's something to worry about once we have a mafia flip, which is priority number one. This post kind of turned out to be a semi-yamato defense which I don't want to do any more of, because I think it's better if yamato himself explains what he was thinking in response to your case. So keep pursuing him if you think he has the objectively best chance to flip mafia! Hopefully he'll come back and explain his thought process to you and then we'll all have a better idea of his alignment.
I really have no idea why your defending Yamato. Like your working so hard to make it out as if "no you dont understand, he never thought slam was scum" when he at the very LEAST figured he wasn't likely town. Which is the same pretty much -_- like, this Yamato person you imagine is so vauge with his reads that I can build an entire case against him based off how shoddy his posts comes off (thats how misleading he is) and this is a person you want to defend? How can you back up such unrestrained waffle hood. At this point I'm convinced your just arguing your point cause your just so super tunneled on Gb youll find way to disprove anyone elses argument to get your way. Which ironically is just the same with Gb and his vivax tunnel XD
How can you not see that your acting the same as the person you want to lynch? It stuns me beyond measure.
I'm also not lynching for info, I know 100 percent that if yam is scum then Gb is town. Therefore my goal is to convince you to lynch Yam not just to lynch scum, but so that I can prevent a Gb lynch down the road. If we lynch onegu, then that solves nothing even if hes scum. Great the troll flipped red wot now. If we lynch Yamato (who I am convinced is the most scummy player if that helps you bite down)then we can for certain know Gb is town. If you think otherwise then I'll just have to accept having one less vote to work with -_- which sucks cause I am pretty certain your green at this point.
Players like you have developed all these shitty stigmas against meta and connections that youve gotten scared to make reads beyond "hmm this guy has been posting like shit, must be scum!".
Going from a point "ie x had scum knowledge available to them" and looking at they're play from that lens is a valid tactic to anylyze behavior -_-
Right now I can see the game unfolding before me. Yamato is the lynch pin, this is the turning point.
One of Yamato and Gb is scum, the other is town. If we guess right, we can prevent a mislynch, guess wrong and were one step closer to losing. Mafia is about knowing the right player to sheep more often than not : P today thats me, tommorow its you : D Forget about your tunnel, just do me this one favor this one time. I have found scum. Help me kill that scum.
now pretty fucking please, get in mah pen.
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On October 26 2015 10:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 10:02 Xatalos wrote:
Could you perhaps elaborate why Onegu is better?
Not that I disagree with lynching him.
Maybe I'll get to sleep soon... Basically I can never read onegu, and I can read yamato better the later we get in the game. We will never know Onegu's alignment until endgame. Because that's how he is. And I prefer to have him lynch as soon as possible.
If you can read Yam at all you should know how shit his day 1 was. In fact you of all fucking people should know that XD
His contributions consisted of getting Marv to go after you, almost resulting in your lynch. Not wanting to lynch Onegue for no reason, vaugley going after Slam early and then parroting Marvs slam case back at him to explain his miday vote.
I can understand chrom not wanting to see Yam as scum, cause then he has to give up his case on you
-_- but how can YOU still defend Yam? Its unbelievable XD
To summarize, from your perspective all Yam has been doing is advocating mislynches, providing shady undexplained reads, lurking and fucking town reading/protecting the likes of hopeless and onegue...
Hopeless is a pretty ez townread IMO.
I don't really want to lynch Onegu but I admittedly haven't read his probably short filter either.
WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THIS MAN. If he actually is town by some miraculous stretch, lurkers should be coming out of retirement just to throw shade his way. Instead the only person trying to bring down the man with what must be the most fantastic ratio of lurk to malevolent post this game is me XD
That right there should be enough to tell the tale -_- cman gb, get in mah pen
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Also gb the reason I want to lynch Yamato instead of Onegu(beyond yam being clearly scum if that's not enough) is so that we can skip the whole day 2 endeavor of trying to not get you mislynched. If Yam flips red you are in the fucking clear forever. You proving your innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt is THE best thing you can do for town right now. We can deal with Onegu for another day, but what can happen if we mislynch is the following-
Onegue lynched- flips green(hopefully not but yah never know)- Gb must be scum -gb lynched- town fucked. Fuck that nightmare scenario. Yam is scum, we kill Yam, we profit and avoid going under.
Help me help you ) :
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On October 26 2015 10:56 Chromatically wrote:
gumshoe...
I just don't have a problem with his Slam read. I don't really want to talk about it any more though because I think that's something he should explain more, but it's not a point against him in my book.
Comparing my push on GB to GB's push on Vivax is just silly. I have, in my opinion, a rock solid case that's supported by hard evidence. That's nothing like the "case" on Vivax.
I think you are reading too much into associations. You do not know 100% that GB is town if yamato is mafia, and that's based on yamato being mafia anyway, which is what we should be focusing on! Possible association reads that happen based on a flip (which there will almost certainly be some of regardless of who we're lynching) should not affect the central objective, which is lynching mafia. Say we lynch GB and he flips mafia-- now we can go into his filter and get association reads from the people he interacted with.
I have not developed any stigma against meta at all. In fact, meta is a central point of my case against GB. I do have a problem with unflipped associations, because they're very often a bad idea.
Basically, yamato might flip scum. But I do not think he's the best lynch today compared to GB and Onegu. So we can agree to disagree, and I'll push my reads while you push yours.
Scum doesnt try and send the best player in the game against thier own team mates. If you cant accept that then I cannot trust or take seriusly anything you say. If you want to assert that associations don't mean that much, your free to do that. But if you seriously think that an experienced scumer would do that out of the blue to their own teammate. Then I have no clue what kind of people you imagine playing this game.
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On October 26 2015 11:26 Chromatically wrote:
Anyway gumshoe, I'm confident that you're town so I'm not sure if this is the most productive conversation to be having if you're dead set on yamato today. We can agree to disagree at this point.
Lets change tak, Dont go anywhere. I'm busy tearing your argument against Gb to shreads. The format was really confusing so I hadn't dug into yet, but it's riddled with holes so if you really insist on staying aboard then I'll have blow the ship out from under you.
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I didnt wanna do this cause It's a huge waste of fucking time, but here it goes, why Chromaticallys rock solid case is actually actually kinda shit. If you didnt read the case, consider yourself lucky. As you managed to spare self the head ache of sifiting through through it trying to figure what it was actually all about. It's confusing so I'll break it down to a few points.
1:Gb is not as active as usual
2:does not push his reads like he does normally.
3:miscelanius points
1: This ones easy, activity, I have been highly active this game, I currently have 5 pages mid day 2. You only have six, are we mafia Chrom? 4 pages is plenty for day 1. More would mostly just result in thread clutter. Some players as they get better become more concise and as the initial excitement wears off they're a little less eager to post. Maybe gb is just improving at making his point without 5 million posts? Would you not regard that as an improvement?
Gb is also currently active in school as we learnt earlier this game. That and he took on a ton of heat earlier and when were under attack were less free to pursue reads and were busy defending ourselves (which usually amounts to smaller posts as its just us answering questions or crying onto our keyboards, were also kinda sad so we post less overall) Does your sample size (which is already ludicrously small, with only 2 usable town games to speak of, seriously shouldn't have included the post limit one) account for any of those factors? Absolutely not. This point is utterly moot and should have never been brought to thread.
2: This also is a fairly easy point to break. Gb has pushed his Vivax read super godamm hard.
Well, I think he is mafia because he is assuming things in absolutes. I'm used to see Vivax being paranoid town and him giving a bunch of town reads right out of the blue does not looks like his standard gameplay.
There are a couple of similar posts like the one regarding yamato, but there are no posts where he shows the reason to his top town reads.
His first post was a vote on yamato?
And yes, he CAN do it as town, but his whole filter has posts in similar fashion. And I usually see Vivax being paranoid. Not this straight forward.
I may be wrong here marv, but what I'm trying to say is not that he is calling people mafia, but that his posts are very straight forward here (that's what I trying to saying with "absolutes" = he calls a player mafia, he calls a player town - I don't see him having a slow progression on most people. And I'm used to Vivax being way more wary before giving reads).
It's basically tonal.
I think I'm having a hard time even to understand what I want to say LOL.
I mean he had a couple of theories to tunnel both of you. He WASN'T straight forward. His town reads were never strong because of the tin foil.
But here, less than half a day, he already has like 4 townreads, and two of them I don't even understand why.
By the way, Vivax, what are the reasons to townread BH and Xata?
Vivax you KNOW that if yamato is town he will eventually come to the thread and try. It has been like that for a long time. It's the kind of player that you get better read on him as the game goes by.
Instead you decided to push him at the start of day 1 and is actually scum reading him for being AFK for less than 24 hours.
I pushed Vivax because I don't like his tone and his easy town passes. I can find it scummy before further investigating it.
I'm re-reading the game atm.
I can go on, but I wont, suffice to say there are 12 direct Vivax is mafia posts with reasoning provided.
For refrence, Marv the guy with a 10 page filler has only 10 posts with actual points against slam, the day 1 lynch.
What kind of super human standard are you holding Gb too? The guy argued against Vivax until all of town collectively jumped on his dick for it. He woulda gone on for sure if he didnt have to spend time defending himself -_- did he have ward off the likes of Rayn and Marv AND Yamato in the games you mentioned? Have you not considered the situation at fucking all? Despite all that he is extremely passionate about his Vivax case, I dont know how you can say he isn't 0_0.
as town, GB not only pushes his target a lot, but is very passionate about doing so (doing capslock or spamming the thread to vote for his target). As mafia, he may have a target but he is much calmer about it and doesn't seem to be very invested in the lynch
saying something is dispassionate doesn't make it dispassionate. Are we even playing the same game? Gb had more activity day 1 then the vast majority of town(more than me and you and me) thats not even considering that he had class Wednesday.
Oh and heres your caps lock
I
HAVE
READ
THE
THREAD
I KNOW YOU "YOLO'ED" AND CALLED ONEGU TOWN FOR NO REASON
I KNOW YOU META'ED HOPELESS AND CALLED HIM TOWN
I KNOW MARV AND YOU HAD TWO INITIAL TOWNREADS - XATALOS AND VIVAX
I KNOW YOU FUCKING HAD GUMSHOE AS MAFIA THEN FLIPPED YOUR READ
WHY CAN'T I BRING WHAT I THINK ABOUT PLAYERS AND ASK YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I'VE BROUGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING "OH OKAY RAYN SAID THESE GUYS ARE TOWN SO THEY ARE"????!?!??
JESUS CHRIST
how is this diffrent compared to the ones you showed?
Cherry picking is fun, but it doesnt really have a place here Chrom / :
Oh and the Rayn lynch you mentioned was an association read of Vivax, didn't really count on it's own.
I dont blame Gb for not pushing his lynch harder than he already was come lynch time XD, he had no thread power whatsoever and people who did have it were firmly against him, what would you have him do, push for Vivax until town lynched gb just to shut him up?
3: Miscelanius points.
Point 1!
I thought these were very strange posts to get reads from. Why does my post in there give him such a strong townread on me? I LITERALLY said that BH hasn't done anything alignment indicative and I get a day pass for it??? What? The posts from ritoky and Xatalos he quoted also seemed very strange, since I do not consider those posts particularly town at all. This doesn't make sense from town, but it makes sense from a mafia trying to manufacture their town reads on players they already know are town.
Why does scum need to manufacture town reads on players who look super shitty? Wouldnt that be a bad idea 0_0 town can infer from several little cues why someone would be town, I have green cleared people for far less this game(I think I green lighted rickoty for coming after me at one point, thats all), why arent you attacking me right now for that? You know that your town chrom and you know your taking heat, in this situation why does gb feel compelled to like you if hesscum when he can just set you up as a lynch target, or just say hes null on you? This point makes no sense from a scum perspective whatsoever unless your all his scum buddies XD, but it can make sense from a derpy or intuitive townie.
misc point 2
Yamato isn't an easy catch day1 by the way, Viv. He is actually very hard to catch because a lot of times he is town he also AFK's and die because of that.
Like the last time he smurfed and got lynched. I think it's Himalayas?
you actually cherry picked this point like a champ. This a continuation pretty much of a previous post in which hes scum reading Vivax
Vivax you KNOW that if yamato is town he will eventually come to the thread and try. It has been like that for a long time. It's the kind of player that you get better read on him as the game goes by.
Instead you decided to push him at the start of day 1 and is actually scum reading him for being AFK for less than 24 hours.
He wasnt advising Vivax, he was given an example of how Yamato plays, to back up his accusation that Vivax was laying into Yamato early on -_- this is more along the lines of "you should know this, therefore your scum for not" rather than "heres some friendly advise kind stranger!"
Tldr.
1:Gb does actively push his read on Vivax.
2:Activity in this case doesnt work as an argument considering the weakness of your sample and the extenuating circumstances.
3: The points you raise against him, that he town reads non townie players that are actually fucking townie (which is dumb cause there's no reason to do that as scum, it can actually come back to bite you pretty hard as a point of contention.) and that he some how interrupts his fight with vivax to teach him(which is so dumb, because for starters that doesnt make him scum and for enders he didn't interrupt it, he was continuing a point) are all dumb.
Come back with a non troll case plox.
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On October 26 2015 12:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 12:20 yamato77 wrote:
yeah this obviously didn't happen today
at the very least I'll do a couple filters after work tomorrow but I'm honestly so disinterested in this game
I dunno, it's my fault really, but this wasn't as enjoyable as the last time I played for whatever reason
I think I lost it It's weird. I can relate to.
He tried to nuke you 0_0 hes not your friend. Stop relating to him.
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On October 26 2015 12:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 10:39 gumshoe wrote:On October 26 2015 10:21 GlowingBear wrote:On October 26 2015 10:02 Xatalos wrote:
Could you perhaps elaborate why Onegu is better?
Not that I disagree with lynching him.
Maybe I'll get to sleep soon... Basically I can never read onegu, and I can read yamato better the later we get in the game. We will never know Onegu's alignment until endgame. Because that's how he is. And I prefer to have him lynch as soon as possible. If you can read Yam at all you should know how shit his day 1 was. In fact you of all fucking people should know that XD His contributions consisted of getting Marv to go after you, almost resulting in your lynch. Not wanting to lynch Onegue for no reason, vaugley going after Slam early and then parroting Marvs slam case back at him to explain his miday vote. I can understand chrom not wanting to see Yam as scum, cause then he has to give up his case on you -_- but how can YOU still defend Yam? Its unbelievable XD To summarize, from your perspective all Yam has been doing is advocating mislynches, providing shady undexplained reads, lurking and fucking town reading/protecting the likes of hopeless and onegue... Hopeless is a pretty ez townread IMO. I don't really want to lynch Onegu but I admittedly haven't read his probably short filter either. WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THIS MAN. If he actually is town by some miraculous stretch, lurkers should be coming out of retirement just to throw shade his way. Instead the only person trying to bring down the man with what must be the most fantastic ratio of lurk to malevolent post this game is me XD That right there should be enough to tell the tale -_- cman gb, get in mah pen I'm not defending yamato, I'm voting him. Let me ask you a question: if yamato flips green, does it change your read on me?
Not paticularly, I town read you for tone, and the slam thing. If yamato flips green, it just means he may or may not have been wrong about you. Nothing else.
The only thing that really says anything is a red flip. ie if Yam is scum, you must be town, the inverse applies as well if you flip red. Basically you COULD both be town, or its 1 and 1, but you cant both be scum. But yam is way scummier, so he always goes first.
If he does flip green, I dont actually know what tommorows lynch will look like. The rayn killers will probally come back, people will call for your head, Onegu will probally be the only viable lynch but I'm not 100 percent sold on him as scum as I am yam.
If it comes to that well deal with it then, but I dont think itll come to that / :
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On October 26 2015 12:40 Chromatically wrote:
I really don't want to go through that whole post gumshoe so I don't think I will, unless other people really agree with your points and want me to do it.
In my case, I made the clear point that his activity in this game was more similar to his activity as mafia than as town. I also showed how the way he pushed his Vivax read is not the same as how he pushes cases as town (providing quotes from other games). The caps lock post you quoted as an example of passion is not relevant, because that post is just GB yelling at rayn for something, not pushing a read passionately like he does as town.
I was pretty impressed at how many insults and condescending phrases you worked into that post though, given that I've been nice to you about your yamato posts I disagree with!
I'm sorry ) : I'm super mean when I'm trying to get a lynch together. It's my equivalent to driving on the highway. I honestly think your very smart and my meaness is more like a tick than anything else. I'll try to keep it civil from now on.
for the activity, 4 pages is alot considering he was busy day 1 and that he was coming under heat for most of it. The vivax case was high jacked by others laying into him for it, so it mostly became him explaining himself, which is a pretty townie thing to have happen / : also your sample size is really unreliable, which you said as much and should invalidate that whole filter point from the get.
If it was like 2 pages I'd get it, but 4 is more than me or you / : it's an active filter.
Basically, the points you bring up feel null rather than scummy. More like stumbling townie than a scummer trying to burn posts while standing by a terrible lynch target that town is flaming them for.
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Xatalos stop talking to rayn. He is really just a super shitty mafia player when he gets like this. He doesn't care about winning, just bieng vindicated. Best to just assume he's not here until we have no better lynch choice.
Onegu's return is pretty meh, but at least he's posting -_-
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I am honestly so sickened with you right now Rayn.
Actual point: Slam was playing seriously, yet you were certain he was scum and concluded that hes a huge troll for not being scum... How can you be certain Xata is not just a huge troll as well? Where does your deliusional confidence stem from Rayn? Can I have a hit? Why should we ever trust you if you dont actually give a fuck? Oh wait you dont give a fuck, so yeah, guess we should just not bother trusting or listening you.
Tip 1(dont read this unless you want to be offended+ Show Spoiler +)Do everyone a favor and leave the thread. Other people want you to contribute, but I dont. I want you to go, because everything your going to say for the rest of the game is going to be poison and the only way I see scum winning is if they can somehow harvest your terrible reads as a reusable power source to fuel thier scum ray.
Tip2 (dont read unless you want to be even more offended):+ Show Spoiler + Why not get drunk again? I would honestly rather you get modkilled at this point, that way we dont have to listen to your trash and risking spending a lynch on you.
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On October 27 2015 01:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Im really trying not to be bad manner
I am not as strong as you ) : I am also certain Rayn is town, which makes this worse for me.
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