EPT[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience - Page 5
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On October 24 2015 06:17 Xatalos wrote: Well..... All I can say is that if this is marv's current scumgame, then he's probably town here... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494452-student-mafia-xv?user=marvellosity Wow Xat, you successfully deduced that Marv's scumgame is really bad and apathetic right now how could you figure that out so quickly without help? so clever, you get towncred from me for your original discovery oh no wait oh oh no the opposite of that | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:32 Xatalos wrote: Btw BH: where did you get that sitewide ID of a post? Just out of curiosity. Right click the timestamp and copy the link address / destination. Also, your earlier depiction of me being active during the first part of D1 and not during the second part of D1 is pretty hilariously bad given that I didn't really start playing until the last 12 hours of D1, and like 90% of my contributions happened then. Get on point boy | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:38 Xatalos wrote: If you're hanging around, could you play now as well >.> It's getting too apathetic and scum may be just hiding among the lurking in the worst case. yeah, I was a bit tied up with dinner but now I'm bringing my A=Game. I'm going over the end of D1 and doing some analysis now. I saw a couple bigger posts int he past few pages that I'll need to poke at as well. any requests | ||
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On October 26 2015 02:42 Xatalos wrote: If your playstyle is on-demand, then here are some demands: 1) What are your scumreads right now? 2) Do you still townread rayn and why? Did RNG fail you? 3) What do you make of the flips of Slam and marv? 1) 1gu and chrome, though this is not having analyzed anything that happened after the end of D1 2) yes, because rayn rarely fakes anger. No, RNG worked great, Rayn is obviously one hundo perecent scum 3) sometimes slam flips town in situations like this. that's to be expected. Marv getting shot makes sense, he was obvious town and he certainly would never get that upset about slam flipping town as scum. Besides myself Marv was the best player here and was universally townread by people that matter (read: me). | ||
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Looking at his filter, at the end of page 9 is the end of Day 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=raynpelikoneet&page=9 In the short succession we have: On October 24 2015 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: wGFhy do i play with trolls hy do i play with people who are .............iusfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfaoC A On October 24 2015 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: FUCK On October 24 2015 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: i know the exact fucking reason for that. This all seems fairly reasonable to me. He's upset, and also upset at slam. Then a few minutes later: On October 24 2015 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am qeffectively quitting this game because this is not fun. On October 24 2015 06:19 Xatalos wrote: Why do you call him troll? He played this game more seriously and focused more on scumhunting than I've ever seen him do. Last time he was scum, he only trolled all game. Nothing like that here. On October 24 2015 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: because he is a fucking troll a fucking troll and nothing more On October 24 2015 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: doesn't even mater anymore. you are a troll too. fuck why do i fucking join games with stupid idiots who don't even fucking TRY to play mafia. I am so fucking pissed off. So.. fucking.. pissed.. off. On October 24 2015 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: i don't. he should be lynched 100% of the games he "plays" in. On October 24 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm i cant deal with this rn.. i am gonna break something otherwise. brb On October 24 2015 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: [21.10.2015 14:23:50] Joni Toiviainen: bleh [21.10.2015 14:23:55] Joni Toiviainen: Slam joined the Rels game :/ [21.10.2015 14:24:55] Joni Toiviainen: almost had a full playable game On October 24 2015 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: And this is even nothing more than just bitching. I am done trying to be nice to people i don't like. sue me. I actually consider the first part of this to definitely fall into "reasonable anger at slam flipping town." Threatening to quit a game due to being mad at a townflip isn't on its own a problem (though following through is). Also, I agree with rayn that I feel a certain amount of raw, angry frustration at how annoying and difficult it is to play with alakaslam. Xat, you seemed to have some kind of ability to read him, but for most people slam is just a pain to play with as a player and as a human being. Rayn feels like his fun has been ruined. I commented on this earlier when Rels was suggesting a vanilla game, but your typical strategies for clearing away deadweight players like slam (cop checks, vigi shots, etc) are out the window in games like this so you need to have an alternative strategy. Some people have reasonably argued that due tot he high level of play on TL, we don't actually need to worry about this. We have for the most part, productive and intelligent players who don't lurk or do bad things. And I think, in generla, that they are right. What's amazing is, right nwo Ia ctually have a ton of time commitmments. I'm hosting two games and playing in this one, and I also eat lots of dinner! And yet, I consider myself one of the "active" players in this game, despite my rather meager 5 or 6 (maybe more now) pages of filter. So what's going on here exactly? Well, basically, we have a lot of lurk happening in this game. People like ritoky (no offense ritoky) latching onto players like me is one thing; that's fine, sometimes you gotta sheep. But then we have like, Hopeless1 and 1gu (though 1gu has gotten better), slam, and Gumshoe, all of whom were like 1 hundo percent acceptable lynches during D1, mostly due to lack of real contributions. It looks like Chromatically has stepped upt oday so he's tentatively off the list, but look at what things were like going into the D1 lynch: We effectively had 5 people all of whom at the time needed a lynch. And in thet ime it takes to lynch 5 people, unless they're like all scum or something, we'll probably lose cause scum will shoot a bunch of us and it's game over. So something like this happening and a slam lynch happening could be deeply upsetting to rayn. Where he goes off the rails though is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=72#1436 Basically, page 72 is just rayn trolling, posting like slam and shitting up the thread. This comes off as really ungeniune compared to his other things. He's also basically stopped playing at this point. I like this post from him responding to the mod warning him though: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=73#1453 cause this is what I would actually expect from an angry rayn. The biting sarcasm is really really on-point in his hypothetical universe of "slam is terrible and is never punished for it, fuck this". Where did this post come from if rayn is scum, Xat? Was he faking this outpouring of hatred and ALSO the snappy response to the mod? Rayn has made only one major post of note since the end of N1, despite his enormous outpouring of spam: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=82#1633 In which he critiques your reasoning process. Overall, I don't find anything particularly suspicious about rayn's outpouring of anger following the D1 lynch. That being said, it has been 48 hours since then. He has had a LOT of time to cool down. Like, it's one thing to say "fuck it, fuck this game" then come back a few hours later and put your nose to the grindstone. Like, people do that all the time. I've done that. Rayn does that in every game heplays, basically, if something goes wrong. Sometimes you get mad and need to step away from the thread. Like me, though, rayn usually comes back and brings his a-game (SF64 mini P1 aside) and tries to win. Actually, SF64 mini P1 is an example of him not doing this as scum, hah. So I'll disagree on anything that has to do with rayn faking anger. He could WELL be faking his anger there, I buy that; but I don't buy that he doesn't get angry as town. This all seems reasonable to me. The thing that stands out as bad is him not coming back to play the game over the cousre of 48 hours. I think Rayn would at least try to step up after the marv death since of the three best players it's just him and me left, if he were town. He's hoping we ignore him with "anger tell" and allow him not to contribute here. so, given his lack of follow-up, I'm onboard with a rayn lynch. Let's vote him and see what he does. This is not for your anger, rayn, but for the emptiness that came with it. The day is young; impress me and you may survive. If you're scum, though, you won't do anything about this. That would be fine. ##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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hey yam check out my analysis of rayn's anger. You know the man better than me. What do you think? | ||
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Fuck it let's give him another day to shape up I may re vote him when I'm home tonight but that argument with the host just don't sit right with me | ||
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On October 26 2015 08:25 Chromatically wrote: I definitely don't disagree with anything you've said here and I am in favor of an Onegu lynch. Sadly, "not caring about catching scum" doesn't only apply to him this game, it easily applies to GB, Hopeless, yamato at least. The one point "in favor" of him compared to GB in my opinion is that he usually (to my knowledge, haven't checked very much) plays like this, with extreme low effort. There's still some time in the day though so we can see what happens, it's possible I decide that Onegu is a better lynch later depending on how things go. Having GB and Onegu as the wagons is excellent though. +1 to lots of this post | ||
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Also, HtS I see you have marvellosity listed as "Not Voting": Not Voting (4): marvellosity, which, while technically correct, is surely misleading, as he died N1. | ||
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