[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience - Page 4

On October 23 2015 21:50 marvellosity wrote:
i came to my conclusions by being awesome and not-xatalos

On October 23 2015 22:43 marvellosity wrote:
i mean it's quite clear from the post i quoted that i took umbrage to how he originally attacked rayn and how i viewed his followup

am i supposed to find you scummy because you are also suspicious of the same person?

what is this rubbish?

On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:

1) Tell marv he cant do it.

On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this:

This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do.

I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him.

Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit.

Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks.

There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that:
1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do
2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play.

The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely).

On October 24 2015 01:11 marvellosity wrote:
marv didn't miss that, marv wasn't talking about that.

On October 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
I think best lynch today is BH. We all agree he has been lackluster and we have yet to see him being suspicious of a player. I don't remember him having scum reads

On October 23 2015 23:31 marvellosity wrote:
1. marvellosity
2. Vivax
8. Xatalos
13. yamato77

3. Blazinghand
4. gumshoe
6. Hopeless1der
7. raynpelikoneet

9. Onegu
12. ritoky

5. GlowingBear
10. Chromatically
11. Alakaslam

groups are in no particular order (e.g. rayn would be higher)

On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:



So I assume this is the issue


ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness)

On October 23 2015 23:35 marvellosity wrote:
literally just explained my feelings about Chrome, GB.

other than your read on Vivax i can't really think of anything that would make you town. so all that's left is a bad read on vivax.

On October 23 2015 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On October 23 2015 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally want people to vote for either me or Slam.
Then, whichever gets lynched i (or other people) will tunnel Xatalos for the rest of the game.

On October 23 2015 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He is also most likely mafia.
If someone can't understand i am town when the only person who can ever read me is saying i am town, then he has to be scum. It's literally bullshit i am his top scumread. His "last game i found him out" is literally bullshit because i have actually talked about this with him already and his case on me even there was bullshit, based on misrepresentations.

There is no way he actually thinks i am scum.

On October 24 2015 01:38 Vivax wrote:


I'm still quite keen on lynching GB for his flailing about the scumreads on him. Usually when scum is pressured like that, this is one of the kinds of poop that comes out: They compare themselves to a random guy who did something similar complaining that he's not being scumread instead of them.

On October 24 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
GB you are not Onegu.

case against me debunked.

ez game ez life.

On October 24 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure):

Here is a post Slam makes:


This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town:


Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants".

He later on decides i am scum for:

this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true.


this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally.


Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games:
Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them.
Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams.

Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it.

Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum.

On October 24 2015 00:34 Xatalos wrote:


It is if I have anything to say about it.

On October 24 2015 01:49 Vivax wrote:
Oh Slam with the seniority argument.

I remember how I used that in my first games, trying to incite a revolution of the masses to overhtrow the vet government.

Then I got hanged, torn and quartered.

On October 24 2015 00:45 marvellosity wrote:

you're an idiot.

On October 24 2015 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm gonna sheep marv/rayn. Hoping yamato/onegu show up because they said they would eventually.

##vote: Alakaslam

On October 24 2015 02:03 Vivax wrote:
But rayn and marv are arrogant, I don't see the value in reinventing the wheel there.