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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:24 GMT
#370
On October 22 2015 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)

this.
this is a big post of nonsense.


this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere.

I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.

Can you tldr your tldr?


Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. .

explain

gumshoe please.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:32 GMT
#381
atalos you're gonna go to see prodigy on Nov 3th?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:32 GMT
#382
Xatalos*
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:34 GMT
#386
On October 22 2015 08:33 marvellosity wrote:
I totally have tits

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:35 GMT
#389
On October 22 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
atalos you're gonna go to see prodigy on Nov 3th?


Nope? Not really a big follower of music/sports events.

yeah you aren't i guess
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:36 GMT
#390
On October 22 2015 08:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
atalos you're gonna go to see prodigy on Nov 3th?

3th?

fuck
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:37 GMT
#392
you english ppl are too bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:38 GMT
#396
On October 22 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)

this.
this is a big post of nonsense.


this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere.

I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.

Can you tldr your tldr?


Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. .

explain

gumshoe please.

please. last time.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:41 GMT
#399
On October 22 2015 08:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)

this.
this is a big post of nonsense.


this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere.

I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.

Can you tldr your tldr?


Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. .

explain

gumshoe please.

please. last time.

Is this not it?

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:31 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)

this.
this is a big post of nonsense.


this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere.

I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.

Can you tldr your tldr?


Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. .

explain


Remember that time you tunneled me until I swore on my life? Then got drunk and imploded? (taking koshi along with you) pretty sure you mislynched me twice as well. my memories of you are not particularly pleasant overall ) :

Ritoky- his argument vs me was fine, he hasnt played much vs me so the things he pointed out are reasonable, I also liked his confidence over Bh. Generally hes to the point, and decicive. Reads to me as confident town.

Chrom- dont like how he went after ritoky when ritoky was just rolling perception plus charisma. I wasn't being particularly townie at the time yet he seemed confident that ritoky was needlessly pouncing / : could be insider knowledge? Also his start is kinda awkward. Reading as scummy.

Still leaving my vote on vivax though, because he has the superior rack,


not, no. I want a reference to this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:42 GMT
#400
saying i was a meanie in some game does not mean i am one in here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:43 GMT
#403
and it sounds like "don't call me scum because you were mean to me in another game"
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:44 GMT
#404
like if gumshoe is mafia here am i not supposed to say anything on him because i was "mean to him" in another game or what?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:44 GMT
#407
gumshoe can you answer me or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:45 GMT
#408
On October 22 2015 08:44 marvellosity wrote:
I think you're blowing this out of proportion a little, rayn

no.
i wanna know where i was a "meanie" because i am pretty sure i was not, ever, in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:48 GMT
#413
On October 22 2015 08:46 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like if gumshoe is mafia here am i not supposed to say anything on him because i was "mean to him" in another game or what?


historically you are usually wrong about my active play. That does and should make a difference in how people consider your inevitable/doomed and or scummy tunnel of me.

And because of that you are allowed to say that every time from back then and now on and i can't call you mafia?

fine.

Who do you think is scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 00:49 GMT
#430
okay gumshoe is not mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 02:14 GMT
#434
who is reading bh town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 02:15 GMT
#435
i mean if someone does that we can lynch them straight away but i don't see who does it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 02:19 GMT
#438
I have voted you dumbasses.
That's what you get for having a voting theread.
(yes i will bitch about that all game long)
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 22 2015 02:20 GMT
#439
On October 22 2015 11:18 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:18 Xatalos wrote:
Well so far Blazinghand and Vivax feel town. ritoky too? Not as sure about Chromatically yet. yamato and gumshoe are in the gray area.

Of course, rayn = scum.

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:13 Vivax wrote:
Xatalos
ritoky
Blazinghand
gum
shoe

Yamato:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


and rayn gets pranked

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:19 ritoky wrote:
town in descending order:
alakaslam - lord of chupazi. hasn't posted. looked into his soul with eye of chupazi, have seen truth.
blazinghand - chupazitron 40000, nuker of the brown bunker
ritoky - apostle of chupazi, still in training
xatalos - clicked on filter links

I guess ritoky's read is a joke, dunno what vivax & xatalos are doing.
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