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On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. OK Rayn I kinda get what you're getting at here but let's look at the shared game history between me and xat 1. II Titanic Mini Mafia -- I replaced in for cdgcorazon (wow, I remember that dude) and was the town vigi. Also that was a shitshow 2. TL Mafia LXIV -- Another shitshow, in which I was town 3. TL MAfia LXIV Part 2 -- I was town again 4. Golden Sun Lost Age -- I was Isaac, Town, again 5. Assassination Mafia -- I was town 6. Paranoia Mafia -- I was town In other words, Xatalos has literally never played with scum Blazinghand. He has no firsthand experience of playing with me. He couldn't know, not wihtout doing research or blindly trusting others. He is unaware of the depths of depravity to which I am willing to sink. He has not seen it first hand. Ritoky has played with me twice. Once in Golden Sun Mafia, and once in Cell Mini Mafia, the infamous game in which I took photos of cardboard boxes and pretended to be moving house and not have internet. Ritoky is aware of the depths of depravity to which I am willing to sink. He has seen it first hand. That being said, I still like Ritoky doing resaerch on my meta and when I use RNG. Yes, he's wrong, and yes, he should remember what I'm willing to do, but he sitll went and did actual research when has scum it would have been totally unnecessary, right? | ||
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On October 23 2015 16:21 GlowingBear wrote: I've actually read this thread more closely than any recent games I've played. You should be able to tell by the time stamps. I've spent almost 3 hours reading and thinking about it. I think my reasons are fair enough to vote Vivax. He has yet to explain the townreads, his activity dropped, his reads are static. I think this makes Vivax mafia. If you don't, fair enough. But I don't understand how you can possibly believe I, as mafia, would call both you and marv town while disagreeing with your top town reads. I defended myself by using logic. Thinking someone is scum and asking questions doesn't make my read premeditated. I will always further investigate what I find suspicious. Given the sheer quantity and magnitude of lurkers at this point in time, why would you be invested in Vivax in particular? I feel like, at least at the time of this post, there are at least 3 people who fit this description. Why not, for example, be on Yamato77 or Onegu or someone else who has had lackluster performance? You'll need to elaborate on this-- what doesn't he do as town in particular? Certainly there may be reason to vote rayn (since he is obvscum due to RNG) but a post like this doesn't tell me anything about you or why I would want to vote RAyn. What's up here, Alakaslam? | ||
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On October 23 2015 16:36 Alakaslam wrote: Xata openly did as I am doing. Rayn is scum. So Slam, if I catch your dirft correctly here, your scumread on rayn goes like this: rayn has been changing his mind a lot, and you expect him to be more tunnelly as town. (This is effectively what Xat said; the xat posts that chrom has posted are mostly not painting xat in a positive light, or presenting the rayn case; so it's hard to see what you're getting at there). Is that all there is to you rayn case, or is there more to it? On October 23 2015 16:39 Alakaslam wrote: And the moment I catch up with myself is this buttshite Very Svengali fail You don't like rayn's vote on GB. Why? | ||
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On October 23 2015 19:02 Vivax wrote: 1. Wow look at you with the pants on your head, scum would never wear pants on their head. 2. The point is that you can just stick to your guns in that case instead of complaining about me not explaining my reads which is something that doesn't catch scum most of the time. There are dozens of read lists in this game and not every read is explained properly, it's a bottomless barrel. For example there's you saying marv has changed his playstyle and you're not sure about it and then he's suddenly green in the list post of yours, if I ask you why you'd say "I changed my read cause bsbs", great. If I call you scum for it you will just give a reasonable explanation. Or the irony in saying my reads are too static but being suspicious about me giving out too many of them, and basically being the first to do so. You accuse first and ask questions later, that's what I demonstrated with the post of mine and I have a hard time seeing you as the kind of guy who usually tunnels me for reasons I don't understand (like Koshi/Artanis/marv in earlier days). So Vivax, if I understand what you're getting at here, you were tonereaded by Vivax as scum. After people came in to defend you, Vivax then said "GB is pushing easy targets, so he's still scum". Why is GB scum and not a tunnelled townie for this? I think you raise a good point with the marv flip-flop (though again, marv is easy to read this game, so we don't really care about him) but "this guy got tunnelled and changed his reason for scumreading someone" seems like... well, in a vacuum it seems like the kind of thing a townie would do, especially if it's a little unpopular. Scum could easily change reads (as you note GB did on Marv), so why not do that on you? If I've missed context here, fill me in. Also, if I recall accurately you were one of the early supports of the RNG lynch on rayn. However, glancing through your filter, I don't see anything other than cursory interactions with him between voting him and now, and yet he's no longer on your list. You also write: On October 24 2015 01:55 Vivax wrote: If it comforts you I feel ambiguous about rayn too when he goes after you and not GB but I also take into consideration that we all got massive egos. Which wasn't too long ago. Where do you stand on rayn, and why? I'm not saying "hurr durr vote rayn now" but I'd like to see a clear statement from you on your position on raynpelikoneet, who | ||
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On October 23 2015 19:22 Vivax wrote: Somebody give me a good reason why GB is town cause I don't want to feel like I'm just chasing stupid and not malicious cases. Marv if your theory about Slam is correct it also means that everybody who actually started making cases on rayn before slam hooked himself into that bait was town. Cause that's usually when scum bites: When townies are wrongly suspicious about a town dude. clearly I'm town then hue On October 23 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote: there were people attacking rayn before? who was it? I did due to RNG. I think a few people piled on as well. You can take a look in like the 20s and 30s On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote: the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now I consider this moderate evidence that GB is town. It would be the easiest thing in the world for GB to drop this, right? So him sticking to it means he must really BELIEVE it (however incorrectly?) more than he cares about living. This isn't a dumbtell, it's a determinedtell. For example, the biggest shitfests between 2 people are always "town and town" cause nobody is more determined and stubborn than a tunnelled townie. On October 23 2015 19:29 Vivax wrote: My most vivid memory of scumslam was a game on omgus actually. He just did his slam thing with the derpy posts but usually piling up on mislynches that were already going on with a few attacks on the bandwagoned townie to cement that. I'm not really good at reading him except from the way he behaves with his choice of target. On October 23 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote: there was a game that just got played where everyone seemed quite surprised Slam was mafia? rayn's abandoned game I think? Unfortunately I didn't really read the game to find out why everyone was surprised about it I can corroborate that I have no ability to read Slam. I think I've tried a couple times and been wrong. From what I can tell, he does try to figure out thae game as town but is completely unwilling/able to share his information with others in a way that lets us form a read on him. He definitely says things, in addition to his random crap, that has a good chance of being correct. It's hard to draw a read on this, though. He's not dumb, he just doesn't have tells that most people can work off of. Maybe a vigi will just shoot him or a cop will check him oh wait oh oh no oh | ||
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On October 23 2015 21:46 Xatalos wrote: Really marv? I think Slam has said a lot more interesting stuff already than he ever did last game (as scum). There he just basically hanged around, trolling, but I thought he was town because he was so "natural" in the thread. This game... Mostly I was enlightened by him liking ritoky for his "town BH makes reads based on his RNG push DING DING" post (which really makes me feel better about ritoky too, since I forgot that post and wondered a bit about his confidence in BH being town... Now I understand). Also I liked how he brought up the weird progression from rayn regarding GB... Which basically went like certain town -> die scum, based on.. What? Missing posts from GB earlier? Then why that hard defense of him in the first place, without even reading his posts? And now the confident scumread because that's where the thread was flowing? What I'm trying to say is, reading Slam's posts made me feel better about Slam and ritoky, and worse about rayn. Not really sure how you came to your conclusions marv...? On the other hand, GB has felt a bit better lately. The Vivax read is a bit... But like marv said, it feels like a really weird target to pick as scum. And I liked his meta thing about me. And he's unlikely scum with rayn (no reason for scum rayn to suddenly go on the offensive this late in the day otherwise after hard defending him before). So I See you going to the mat for slam here. How does Slam convince you rayn is scum? I'm glad to see someone on board with the "GB being stubborn could be a town-tell" boat, but how does this have to do with an associative tell with rayn? Rayn is totally willing to attack teammates when appropriate as scum, and in a game with no investigative roles I'd be a lot more confident about rayn lasting through lylo as scum than I would GB. Can you explain in a bit more detail why rayn as scum wouldn't change his mind on GB as scum, if GB's push starts to falter? On October 23 2015 21:59 Xatalos wrote: Ah, and Chromatically... Not sure yet. He's kept being pretty reasonable / constructive all game, but I don't really think there's been much (if anything?) I've agreed with him on... And that case against me is just, pretty much describing my town meta features as scummy points. The stuff he's saying about me is null at worst. And then I'm confidently scum? I've received a couple of cases like that (from scum) before. Most notably the case that called me a "drama queen" or something (LOL). That was a funny case. Anyways, it feels kind of like those cases, nitpicking null/towny things and painting them in the worst possible light. It doesn't even feel like an actual case, more like an effort to try and find *somethjng* (anything) bad about me... And failing, but calling me scum regardless. This post is bad and you should feel bad. On October 23 2015 22:34 Xatalos wrote: Let's see... My current thoughts are... (not in any particular order) Town Vivax Blazinghand ritoky Alakaslam Nullish GlowingBear gumshoe Hopeless1der Onegu yamato77 marvellosity Scummy Chromatically raynpelikoneet That's where I'm at... I think there's at least 1-2 scum between rayn/Chrom and then 1-2 in the null section. Why do you have marv as scum? As I noted earlier, Marv is like supremely demotivated as scum now (to the point of almost throwing games, never trying, conceding with 3 or 2 scum alive, etc). It's super obvious to me that marv is town, since he's actually trying to play the game rather than be a little whiny baby about it. Just look at his game history. | ||
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On October 23 2015 22:55 marvellosity wrote: when you lynch rayn literally every time he is mafia and don't ever lynch him when he is town, then you can tell me what and when i should be reading rayn understood? historically, is this actually true when you're town? On October 23 2015 23:01 Xatalos wrote: I can't say I'm an expert on rayn, but I'll just say that I feel his current game is closer to his scumgame on VS than anything else. I seem to have missed it in your back-and-forths with marv or maybe I read it and forgot it, but a link or a quote or something when you make statements liket his is important if you want to actually convice people. Of course, I am pro rayn lynch since he is scum, because he got RNGed, so as your ally in this let me advise you: posts like this won't convince peopel. Please link me pls [QUOTE]On October 23 2015 23:08 marvellosity wrote: my reasoning was that you're a bit of a pussy as mafia and it would be much easier for you just to townread me when if you are mafia you know there is a 0% chance of me ever getting lynched. the fact you pushed me before under similar circumstances weakens that as a heuristic though although i doubt you'd make the same mistake twice[/QUOTE BTW this is the reason that GB isn't necessarily scum for tunnelling Vivax. Obviously "stuborrnness as a towntell" is an easily fatigued heuristic, but you don't want to chuck it out just for that reason. [QUOTE]On October 23 2015 23:10 Chromatically wrote: So I assume no one agrees with me on Xatalos then? [QUOTE]On October 23 2015 21:59 Xatalos wrote: Ah, and Chromatically... Not sure yet. He's kept being pretty reasonable / constructive all game, but I don't really think there's been much (if anything?) I've agreed with him on... And that case against me is just, pretty much describing my town meta features as scummy points. The stuff he's saying about me is null at worst. And then I'm confidently scum? I've received a couple of cases like that (from scum) before. Most notably the case that called me a "drama queen" or something (LOL). That was a funny case. Anyways, it feels kind of like those cases, nitpicking null/towny things and painting them in the worst possible light. It doesn't even feel like an actual case, more like an effort to try and find *somethjng* (anything) bad about me... And failing, but calling me scum regardless.[/QUOTE] Here are the basic points I made: Xatalos was active without posting anything particularly in the beginning of the game (mafia do this because they want to appear active but have trouble posting content), waffling on votes (mafia do this because they want to keep their options open and not ignore their partners), throwing suspicion on rayn initially (mafia do this to make people look worse than they are), weird read on BH (mafia throw out townreads without thinking about why). The last two points are meh, but the first two I think are pretty clearly scum traits and certainly not "null at worst" from any perspective. The filter length defense is the only good one I've heard, but filter length is not everything. If people really don't want to lynch Xatalos, I'll obviously consolidate onto someone else. But I do think I made a strong case and I feel good about it. [/QUOTE] Uh, isn't that consistent with Xat buying into RNG, townreading me, and pushing the RNG target? The actions you've described are like, the actions of someone who has joined the glory of RNG so unless you're saying "buying into RNG is scummy" I dont' think you've got a case here buddy [QUOTE]On October 23 2015 23:24 marvellosity wrote: [QUOTE]On October 23 2015 23:20 Xatalos wrote: [QUOTE]On October 23 2015 23:08 marvellosity wrote: my reasoning was that you're a bit of a pussy as mafia and it would be much easier for you just to townread me when if you are mafia you know there is a 0% chance of me ever getting lynched. the fact you pushed me before under similar circumstances weakens that as a heuristic though although i doubt you'd make the same mistake twice[/QUOTE] Btw can you really say I'm a pussy as scum after that game where I and Artanis bussed each other all game?  That was fun.[/QUOTE]yes, bussing each other is pussy way out because it means you don't have the balls to tunnel a townie gonna have to try meta Chrome at some point. My evening cleared up (i was gonna be afk all weekend and spring that on you guys when i finished work, but my plans fell through) [QUOTE]On October 22 2015 13:59 Chromatically wrote: Alright yamato is off the lynch list for me. I have a hard time seeing him faking anger about getting scumread by people for this and I don't think he's just making up his reasoning there as mafia. Both of those last posts feel really town to me.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On October 23 2015 00:26 Chromatically wrote: I don't really see why GB is mafia for that read rather than it just being a bad read. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On October 23 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote: [QUOTE]On October 23 2015 02:41 marvellosity wrote: pretty hard to shake my townfeels on rayn when he comes into the thread saying he has 2 townreads and no mafiareads when at that point i had 2 townreads and no mafiareads and the 2 townreads were the same as mine.[/QUOTE] I like this post a lot, I get a strong town feeling from this. [/QUOTE] I don't like any of these posts much. I don't think the anger thing is a good reason to townread yamato. I made an unexplained punt vote on GB and it reads as a bit of a weird defence. I'm also not sure that Chrome should be getting strong townfeels from the post i made rather than others/the whole body of play. Also have this nagging feeling where Chrome described ritoky as picking up on "textbook mafia tells" and he's essentially doing the exact same thing with Xatalos. I don't like it. I understand picking up on Xata's read progression on rayn, I think it's possibly reasonable to be suspicious of that, but the rest of it I don't think I like much.[/QUOTE] I definitely think Chrom isn't being well-organized on his Xat push. He's on my "people i might consider lynching who are not named raynpelikoneet today" which is fairly impressive since currently that list is very short and includes raynpelikoneet, even though it explicitly excludes him, because of the glory of rng seriously though I can't track that thought process. Still pushing forwards, one way or another I'll have this sorted out by the time I'm caught up with thread. what an adventure! [QUOTE]On October 23 2015 23:28 marvellosity wrote: we're not gonna lynch rayn i'm not totally confident he's town but i have enough reason to take him off the table today[/QUOTE] your call on this since you are obvtown and the best non-me player here, but if he is scum and got rnged, think about how mad he'd be to get lynched cause of that kekeke | ||
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On October 23 2015 22:55 marvellosity wrote: when you lynch rayn literally every time he is mafia and don't ever lynch him when he is town, then you can tell me what and when i should be reading rayn understood? historically, is this actually true when you're town? On October 23 2015 23:01 Xatalos wrote: I can't say I'm an expert on rayn, but I'll just say that I feel his current game is closer to his scumgame on VS than anything else. I seem to have missed it in your back-and-forths with marv or maybe I read it and forgot it, but a link or a quote or something when you make statements liket his is important if you want to actually convice people. Of course, I am pro rayn lynch since he is scum, because he got RNGed, so as your ally in this let me advise you: posts like this won't convince peopel. Please link me pls On October 23 2015 23:08 marvellosity wrote: my reasoning was that you're a bit of a pussy as mafia and it would be much easier for you just to townread me when if you are mafia you know there is a 0% chance of me ever getting lynched. the fact you pushed me before under similar circumstances weakens that as a heuristic though although i doubt you'd make the same mistake twice BTW this is the reason that GB isn't necessarily scum for tunnelling Vivax. Obviously "stuborrnness as a towntell" is an easily fatigued heuristic, but you don't want to chuck it out just for that reason. On October 23 2015 23:10 Chromatically wrote: So I assume no one agrees with me on Xatalos then? Here are the basic points I made: Xatalos was active without posting anything particularly in the beginning of the game (mafia do this because they want to appear active but have trouble posting content), waffling on votes (mafia do this because they want to keep their options open and not ignore their partners), throwing suspicion on rayn initially (mafia do this to make people look worse than they are), weird read on BH (mafia throw out townreads without thinking about why). The last two points are meh, but the first two I think are pretty clearly scum traits and certainly not "null at worst" from any perspective. The filter length defense is the only good one I've heard, but filter length is not everything. If people really don't want to lynch Xatalos, I'll obviously consolidate onto someone else. But I do think I made a strong case and I feel good about it. Uh, isn't that consistent with Xat buying into RNG, townreading me, and pushing the RNG target? The actions you've described are like, the actions of someone who has joined the glory of RNG so unless you're saying "buying into RNG is scummy" I dont' think you've got a case here buddy On October 23 2015 23:24 marvellosity wrote: yes, bussing each other is pussy way out because it means you don't have the balls to tunnel a townie gonna have to try meta Chrome at some point. My evening cleared up (i was gonna be afk all weekend and spring that on you guys when i finished work, but my plans fell through) I don't like any of these posts much. I don't think the anger thing is a good reason to townread yamato. I made an unexplained punt vote on GB and it reads as a bit of a weird defence. I'm also not sure that Chrome should be getting strong townfeels from the post i made rather than others/the whole body of play. Also have this nagging feeling where Chrome described ritoky as picking up on "textbook mafia tells" and he's essentially doing the exact same thing with Xatalos. I don't like it. I understand picking up on Xata's read progression on rayn, I think it's possibly reasonable to be suspicious of that, but the rest of it I don't think I like much. I definitely think Chrom isn't being well-organized on his Xat push. He's on my "people i might consider lynching who are not named raynpelikoneet today" which is fairly impressive since currently that list is very short and includes raynpelikoneet, even though it explicitly excludes him, because of the glory of rng seriously though I can't track that thought process. Still pushing forwards, one way or another I'll have this sorted out by the time I'm caught up with thread. what an adventure! On October 23 2015 23:28 marvellosity wrote: we're not gonna lynch rayn i'm not totally confident he's town but i have enough reason to take him off the table today your call on this since you are obvtown and the best non-me player here, but if he is scum and got rnged, think about how mad he'd be to get lynched cause of that kekeke | ||
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On October 23 2015 23:38 Chromatically wrote: I made the point as just a general point not really looking at meta, but when I do look at meta I don't see a lot of filler as either alignment. Waffling I thought I saw more of as mafia than as town, as town I thought I saw a lot more confident reads on people (posting "X is probably town" etc). I didn't think that was strong enough to post though and the post was long enough already. I do disagree on BH, I think the RNG thing at the beginning was entirely not alignment indicative and there was no reason to townread him for it but that's been talked about a lot already and you could be town that just sees it differently (in a way I think is wrong), so I guess that point is fine. The rayn thing the way you said things about him was misrepresenting what he was doing to make it look worse, and I thought that it was weird to jump on him for what you did. If not you (which is looking very unlikely), then probably GB? I'm looking at GB/Slam/BH and I'm kind of out of time right now but I can finalize that later. Onegu I got a town feeling when reading through for some reason, ritoky I kind of liked his BH thing, and Hopeless I'm willing to trust the rayn/yamato read for now. During this non-insubantial post you say: Meta is null BH is null the rayn thing is NAI GB/Slam/BH is scum, but I'm not going to explain it. Also, ritoky's explanation of BH being town was good. What are you even saying bro On October 23 2015 23:39 GlowingBear wrote: I saw it, but don't you agree that Chromatically is being at least productive and Onegu and Hopeless aren't? Hopeless is disinterested just like he was in Avogadro's mini mafia. But especially Onegu. He is sheeping me. How come you think I might be mafia for a bad read on Vivax but Onegu likely to be town for sheeping me into this very same read? I don't see how Chromatically has contributed anything meaningful. Where has he done this? Why are you defending him over Onegu and Hopeless1? On October 23 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's lynch Slam. ##unvote ##vote Alakaslam I wanna tunnel Xatalos so hard after D1. So hard. I am literally seeing red and i really really wanna do this. And i can't unless i lynch mafia. I'm not a slam afficionado. Explain? On October 23 2015 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chromatically's oplay is completely different from his scumgames where he basically picks a person and tunnels that into oblivion. Given that I have a hard-on for lynching chrom, I'd appreciate evidence for this. if I don't see it, I'll do the research myself but that's a lot of effort. Do you have an example on hand? | ||
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On October 23 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: and btw this is what GB does as scum. He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him". eh, I guess I see what you're getting at here but compared to the significantly worse issues on hand (low contribution players) is GB the ideal lynch today? If this is really the case, the truth will out in the next day anyways On October 23 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote: i'll probably choose between GB/Slam if rayn's meta point on Chrome holds up What's the case on Slam? Any detail on this would be good, I generally have difficulty wrapping my head around Slam. On October 23 2015 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Read the last scumgame in database, mainly Koshi's case on him D1. Also what Koshi says there holds up on GoT game aswell. Thanks for this info, but next time, a link would be so much nicer! On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense. Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter. Marv is NOT SCUM. MARV IS NOT SCUm MARV IS NOT SCUM Look, last game (student XV) Marv was scum and he was so disappointed to roll sucm again he like, conceded during NIGHT 1. MARV IS PLAYING THE GAME, THEREFORE HE IS NOT SCUM. IF Marv was scum, he would basicallyc ontinue to be a super whiny baby and not play. Marv was SUCH A WHINY BABY. UGH. He basically ruined a whole newbie game (a newbie game!) because of what a whiny baby he was about rolling scum. Do you really think he somehow shaped up and stopped being a whiny baby? No, Marv is gonna be a whiny baby until he plays a game or two as town or takes a break. This is true. | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote: Gb- I rather not lynch him, his tunnel onto Vivax is probs wrong, but then again I havent really dug into vivax, (but I dont like how he turned around onto Gb / : the guy whose tunneling you tends to be a really easy mark for maf, they can just focus them till lynch and not contribute elsewise, which is pretty much were vivax is at, also I dont like detailed excuses*he done it twice now#),. Overall I think hes just a derpie townie who got caught up in a tunnel with a player whose more null than scummy and now feels compelled to stand his ground. Def been there. This seems spot on On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote: Xata- I dont feel hes done little enough good or plenty enough wrong to warrant a lynch today. I could elaborate but meh. I still feel pretty good about chrom and Ritoky(less so about ritoky, but in his defense rayn is kind of a black hole that absorbs all your attention at times) so atm I wouldn't vote them today. Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them. etween Xat, Chrom, ritoky, Onegu, and hopeless1 I see no serious statements differentiating them, other than that you want to lynch onegu and Hopeless1 from the other three without any explanation? What's the deal broseph??? You must have REASONS for this. You say "unless someone can magically explain..." but your'e the one with magical explanations here. Or magical lack of explanations. Man up and post some. On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote: People I need to read more into -Bh(has seemed rather useless as of late) Slam, been letting him off cause Slam, but thats not a good reason to neglect his filter T_T small as it may be. No input on the slam case!!?? Pul it together brometheius On October 24 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote: Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me. After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for. I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say. Yeah, see my meta read on MArv. From the XV scum QT (this game is over so the QT is ok to link) http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/zRTyp8RMU5dNs : "i was never going to try this game very much if i rolled mafia anyway  ""it kinda takes me time to recharge my scum batteries, and i've only played 48h of town since i tried pretty hard as mafia last. batteries low. i will play though. just poorly." "*giggles* we're gonna lose so hilariously hard, it'll be great." Then, night 1: "##concede nothing left for me here" and he had a crappy like 2 page filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494452-student-mafia-xv?user=marvellosity&view=all the difference is palpable. In any case, I'm beating a dead horse here so I'll leave it aloen but anyone voting marv is not paying attention to the obvious evidence here. | ||
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Blazinghand
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I must admit, there's a certain temptation here! On October 24 2015 00:21 Xatalos wrote: Do you honestly think he believes I'm scum based on that? I made an extremely similar push last time I was town and he was scum, and he similarly immediately scumread me for the push. It's actually unbelievable how similar his gut reaction is. And it's very odd how his PoE possibility of Slam being scum suddenly became the best lynch. Even though he's pushed GB for the recent times. And how is PoE even a valid reason for his lynch choice when he has several actual scumreads and overall his reads are nothing consistent? His reads have changed in so many directions that how is Slam still in a similar PoE position? I think he just saw an easy way out of getting lynched today and went for the easy route of sheeping you, even though there's still like 5-6 hours time left. I doubt it's actually PoE, but a mixture of PoE and read On October 24 2015 00:26 yamato77 wrote: I'll be around later today. I have a meeting at lunch and then I'll be free. Will become more active afterward, assuming I can stand this shitty keyboard I am forced to use because my nice mechanical stopped working D: is to too shitty to play counterstrike??? On October 24 2015 00:30 gumshoe wrote: Because it feels too Bang on. like his assessment about Gbs shitposting feels definitive. The way he phrases it is actually perfect and makes total sense. That said, Gb making shit up as he goes along doesnt and bieng totes wrong doesnt make him mafia( I know this for a fact). Yamato is just right and succint, which is something mafia are very good at cause they know everything / : "Too correct" about GB's meta or shitposting isn't actually a reason to mafiaread someone. Like... you're literally saying, and I quote "Yamato is just right and succinct"... so he is mafia. You're calling hm mafia for having good reads. How do you get to this place, mentally? How does that happen, where someone comes in (and I'm not saying I think Yam's reads are good here-- but you clearly think so) and says "wow, this guy makes a lot of sense!.... CLEARLY HE IS SCUM HUE HUEH UEUEHUEHUEHUE" like how does that happen, what happened to you? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On October 24 2015 00:37 gumshoe wrote: which is quite easy for an effective scum player to do no? Honestly I know Tl players are amazing after what must be at least half a decade of constant play. But the only thing really seperating our two factions is knowledge, a player appearing too effective (as is the case with yamato in my eyes atm) in such a short space of time and posting is something that should always concern us. But after the gb martyr I'm down to kill him as I doubt a yamato lynch could even happen unless gb flips green. but please elaborate on hopeless, I dont got your history or your meta, he just seems totes worthless something I will never again take for granted after one particular game. Same objection here. You can't say that someone being effectively, helpful, and right makes them scum or bad things will happen I would kill GB for the martyr, not cause I expect him to flip scum necessarily but because martyring is a scumtell imo, always fake, never real, always lynch to discourage it cause it's awful. IT's like people using IRL excuses On October 24 2015 00:42 gumshoe wrote: Basically the people I would want to see lynched Onegu-hopeless (both are interchangeably useless to me) yamato-gb (these two are a matching pair, yamatos read on him was felt so accurate he is ether just right and awesome, or mafia taking advantage of gb being wrong about vivax) probably wouldn't vote for anyone else outside these 4. This is a bit better laid out but I'll wait and seeif I can see your response to my previous post On October 24 2015 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because if you fail to realize your read on Vivax is actually really terrible then there is nothing to talk about that one. If you can't understand, when four players, me, marv, yamato, and Vivax (and to some extent other players -- well basically all of them) call your read bad, you should probably at least think your read can be bad, as we can't all be mafia, right? Instead of doing this, you come back and say "but i would never do this as mafia". Your read is bad, regardless of Vivax alignment, that's a fact. Yet you are just sitting there on that read doing nothing. Onegu is likely town for his approach towards me early on in the game. Same goes to Hopeless. Furthermore, last time i asked Hopeless to do shit when he was mafia he didn't do shit. I agree Hopeless isn't doing much but is trying to do something, and that is a towntell for him. I will never lynch Hopeless or Onegu here on D1. Never. And you should not either, especially with players like Slam in the game (or even Blazinghand who hasn't actually done jack shit this game). Or ritoky, or gumshoe. Never ever. The last three of those have posted but all of theirs posts have nothing much to say. Now not all of them can be mafia, because Slam is definitely scum, and i can't even know which one of them is/isn't scum, but i am most certain of Onegu not being mafia. Basically Onegu just doesn't care, which is not what his scumplay looks like, and while i hate the way he plays, that's what he does as town. So if you are town get your head out of your tunnel'y ass and start considering also what other people say, especially when almost everyone in the game shares the view OPPOSITE of yours on Vivax. these townreads on H1 and 1Gu are interesting and I will look into it to see if that's accurate. I don't remember much from either of them. Thanks for the heads-up On October 24 2015 00:55 gumshoe wrote: Am I voting for you right now? No I am not. But between Onegu and you, we get more info out of your death so I wouldnt be too sad to see yah go (yamato basically never gets lynched unless you flip green and even then its unlikely). but yeah I think your just butthurt town, which is why I am voting for Onegu : P but I am not the best mafia player here and I am quite often wrong and overthink things. So maybe you are scum and I'm too thick to see it. Someone once said mafia is more about choosing the right person to sheep rather than only listening to your own reads, so that is unfortunately a consideration I intend to make this game / : ^-- really? this is a classic scum post. info out of his death? acting nonchalant with a push? What are you even doing gumshoe, at this point you might as well be gumdrop. Don't want to overthink things? Just say what you mean and mean what you say. Take stances. Be a man. Do the right thing! We don't lynch for information, we lynch to lynch scum. That's how this game works. Lynch whoever has the best chance of being scum. On October 24 2015 00:56 GlowingBear wrote: You fail to realise that I asked your opinion exactly because my townread were saying my scum read is town. But then, when you come to the thread, you scum read me. What am I supposed to do, listen to you and vote me???? Like, seriously, you and Marv could simply answer my question. But instead you decided I'm scum. I AM considering what other people say. Unfortunately, they are saying I'm scum, and that's wrong. I really don't know what I'm supposed to do. What you don't do is martyr. You don't say "fine, lynch me." You say "let me tell you about this guy I Think is scum." and you start talking, writing cases, reading, etc. | ||
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Blazinghand
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