fine but your being evicted in 2 days / : make sure your stuff is together by then.
I'll start packing my things
look..... dont get me wrong, its not you man, its us, we just really really prefer vanilla T_T
racists.
Gumshoe, what happens if I'm town?
Then you failed us and we lose ) : for which you should feel really really bad t-t
so then you understand the gravity of the situation. Why did you let me live yesterday?
I don't magically decide who town lynches, I pushed for you over gb all day yesterday(if you were actually reading you would know that), but bh and chrom weren't having it, I enjoy playing with them and I know they're town, so wasn't exactly eager to shout them into submission when I might have still been wrong about gb.
Don't foist your predicament off onto me man : P if this is a mislynch it is utterly and completely your fault. But you are scum so don't worry about it too much / : just try a little harder next time k?
If this is a mislynch, it is not 100% my fault. I'll take like 90% of the blame. But here, you want us to lose, and I checked, I'm allowed to help. ##Vote: Hopeless1der
If you are town you've taken things out of my hands / : by playing the way you have I probably couldn't defend you now even if I wanted too. Which I don't, cause you scum
fine but your being evicted in 2 days / : make sure your stuff is together by then.
I'll start packing my things
look..... dont get me wrong, its not you man, its us, we just really really prefer vanilla T_T
racists.
Gumshoe, what happens if I'm town?
Then you failed us and we lose ) : for which you should feel really really bad t-t
so then you understand the gravity of the situation. Why did you let me live yesterday?
I don't magically decide who town lynches, I pushed for you over gb all day yesterday(if you were actually reading you would know that), but bh and chrom weren't having it, I enjoy playing with them and I know they're town, so wasn't exactly eager to shout them into submission when I might have still been wrong about gb.
Don't foist your predicament off onto me man : P if this is a mislynch it is utterly and completely your fault. But you are scum so don't worry about it too much / : just try a little harder next time k?
If this is a mislynch, it is not 100% my fault. I'll take like 90% of the blame. But here, you want us to lose, and I checked, I'm allowed to help. ##Vote: Hopeless1der
If you are town you've taken things out of my hands / : by playing the way you have I probably couldn't defend you now even if I wanted too. Which I don't, cause you scum
Thats the thing, everyone has called me scum so why wasnt I even remotely close to dying yesterday? I'm the lynchbaitiest lynchbait there is, especially this game. I havent really seen any defense of me since day 1. I mean if you're ready to afk and ignore me, do it. I wont blame you, everyone else has.
Nah I'll talk : D the reason was we basically deduced that given the play of everyone here, scum had to be among three people, which meant we could lynch those three in any order. Gb took priority because he was actively pissing people off in thread, basically people really wanted him gone/ were sure he was scum, as opposed to you who was already gone period : P
But I apologize for not killing you yesterday hopeless ) : the townies had a vendetta and scum went along with' it's that's why you didn't die, but don't worry, we'll fix it today : D
look..... dont get me wrong, its not you man, its us, we just really really prefer vanilla T_T
racists.
Gumshoe, what happens if I'm town?
Then you failed us and we lose ) : for which you should feel really really bad t-t
so then you understand the gravity of the situation. Why did you let me live yesterday?
I don't magically decide who town lynches, I pushed for you over gb all day yesterday(if you were actually reading you would know that), but bh and chrom weren't having it, I enjoy playing with them and I know they're town, so wasn't exactly eager to shout them into submission when I might have still been wrong about gb.
Don't foist your predicament off onto me man : P if this is a mislynch it is utterly and completely your fault. But you are scum so don't worry about it too much / : just try a little harder next time k?
If this is a mislynch, it is not 100% my fault. I'll take like 90% of the blame. But here, you want us to lose, and I checked, I'm allowed to help. ##Vote: Hopeless1der
If you are town you've taken things out of my hands / : by playing the way you have I probably couldn't defend you now even if I wanted too. Which I don't, cause you scum
Thats the thing, everyone has called me scum so why wasnt I even remotely close to dying yesterday? I'm the lynchbaitiest lynchbait there is, especially this game. I havent really seen any defense of me since day 1. I mean if you're ready to afk and ignore me, do it. I wont blame you, everyone else has.
Nah I'll talk : D the reason was we basically deduced that given the play of everyone here, scum had to be among three people, which meant we could lynch those three in any order. Gb took priority because he was actively pissing people off in thread, basically people really wanted him gone/ were sure he was scum, as opposed to you who was already gone period : P
But I apologize for not killing you yesterday hopeless ) : the townies had a vendetta and scum went along with' it's that's why you didn't die, but don't worry, we'll fix it today : D
and that doesnt seem awfully convenient?
not really, chrom and bhs reads onto gb were fine, I just disagreed based off tone and conflicting agendas popping up in his play, I wasn't likely to convince them because I knew they had put a ton of effort into their reads, and again, maybe I was wrong about gb, who knows.
We don't have to speak to what ritoky was thinking, cause he dead, that leaves you and vivax, vivax isn't going to turn down a free mislynch, so hes whatever, and you aren't going to be voting for yourself for obs reasons -_-
The only thing that is at all note worthy, is me not shoving my opinion further down the throats of other townies(though I did push it quite hard, youd know if you actually bothered to read, should do that plox), which I was reluctant to do as unlike rayn and gb, chrom and bh were not playing badly at all / : and I did I owe chrome a sheep.
See it's easy to say things are "convenient" by looking at the result, but that quickly unravels once you vet each person related to the lynch / : like an 0-3 were every game is a down to the wire base race / : you gotta watch for what actually happened instead of just drawing conclusions from the punch line.
Onegu (I can never read him and I hated that he said he would sheep me - gives me deja vu from last game where he was mafia against me - him being more invested in this game is usually a bad sign) Hopeless1der (useless - feels like his play in Avogadro's Mini Mafia) Vivax (I disagree with everyone, being confident =/= being straight forward and giving unexplained town passes, especially from a guy that I remember seeing flipping his reads constantly based on tinfoil theories. Here I see a guy with static reads that are never updated
...
This was pretty funny too. Whoopsies sorry GB!
yeah, to be fair, if gb was a monster by the end, we kinda made him that way / : he was totally right and everyone slammed him for it XD
On November 04 2015 08:59 Vivax wrote: Idk who could be the last mafia at this point, too many doubts. But if you're going to lynch me tomorrow, you can do it today and end the game earlier with a scum victory.
I'm not going to vote myself for wincon reasons but you should if you aren't prone to believe into me being townie.
Else all the hopeless lynch will do is delay this by another cycle, and I'm tired of this game. I don't believe the other 2 townies will change their mind.
On November 05 2015 07:08 Vivax wrote: Don't worry I think scum will simply not shoot.
promise?
hah. yeah, it's a good point though, we're pretty much free to talk since that's the case
not much more to say / :
Chrom is town, his actions day 2 make no sense from a scum view (why push a mislynch so hard when a townies already on the block? its a great way to get pushed, I wont buy into that, not this game.
bh is town, like I said before, bh will use any excuse to justify shitty play, but his performance this game has been exemplary so that bit doesnt even apply. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- vivax has been hyping up his paranoia all game as a reason to attack anyone, in the past three cycles hes expressed suspicion twoards me, bh, chrom, ritoky, gb, hopeless, everyone really. He jumped on my yam train once it got going and he even tried to make a rayn mislynch happen until he realized a shot would be more effective considering his scum buddies were town reading rayn to the max.
His stance of "I have no idea who scum is" basically translates to "I'm fine with any lynch so long as it's not me" which perfectly fits the scum agenda I would expect him to have with a team of onegu and hopeless.
Speaking of which, it's not hard at all to find tons of awkward encounters between hopeless/vivax and vivax/onegu, as weve already pointed out time and time again.
The final nail in the coffin is without a doubt his attempt to convince xata to switch his vote on day 3, plus his discontent post flip as point out by bh.
His overall play this game, which has frequently led town in the wrong direction( going so far as to critique others for attacking onegu and hopeless on day 1) in conjunction with the above evidence leads to only one conclusion.
Vivax is our final scummer, Lynch him and be merry as we savor frozen dairy!
I will be pretty busy for the rest of the week, but I will pop back in to read whats left, answer any questions or accusations brought against me or mah townies and of course to restock our supply of verbal memes should we run low.
Also before I go I shall make a few points in my preemptive defense for the inevitable half heated attack that vivax will launch. ----------------------------------------------------- 1: Every major stance I have taken this game has been, as far as I can tell, to the benefit of town, with the exception of the yam lynch which no one can blame me for cause that dude looked legit terrible / :
day I: called for onegus head, decrying the slam rayn lynch as dumb and illconcieved(basically slam dared marv and things snowballed from there) would have jumped on the onegu shenayny train but was worried that people would use the split to hammer rayn, who I assumed would be of great use to town should he live (I was wrong and I was right about that, rayn was utterly worthless, but his death all but outed the scum team)
night 1: As opposed to joining the rayn hate train, I kept a level head and used my history with him basically to come the conclusion that he was being a useless little bitch, but wasn't scum. Had just a few more reacted to rayn in anger, we may very well have lost this game, as town would literally not have survived both a rayn and gb mislynch.
day 2: Yamato debacle, dude had to go, just be glad there were no more yamatos this game.
night 2: I immediately bounced back from the mislynch and started to consider the scum team as a whole, basically the inception of the 4 man suspect pool that would define the back half of the game.
day 3: Drew alot of information from the rayn shot that many disagreed with, but gave me personally the direction I needed to put together alot of different bits that resulted in the onegu lynch.
night 3: sparred with gb, once again kept a level head despite townie stupidity, resorted to desperate measures to get him to cooperate.
day 4: Made my opinion on hopeless known, but didn't shove it onto a town I knew to be reasonable.
night 4: popo sees all.
day 5: ez ez
night 5: are we there yet?
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point 2: As you may have already figured, I can explain every single stance I have taken this game, every. single. one. Please try me.
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point 3: I did give Yamato a chance to convince me / : I had misgivings, and asked him questions at one point on day 1. He responded with "you bore me". Not sure how I was supposed to react other than pushing for his immediate removal from a game he clearly did not want to play.
On November 06 2015 01:07 Vivax wrote: I will fight like a crazy mofo for my life, don't think I will go down easily. CAUSE IM NOT MAFIA. But first I need to decide who's the remaining mafia and it's tough. I might get back to chrom again just for the belief that not ALL my reads were wrong.
Past days I felt really defeated by the last mafia cause he's playing so well and after pinging at gumshoe I started doubting I would be able to ping him at all, but today I passed my assessment with 8/9 pts and I'm going to at least TRY to kick the last mafia's ass after I'm done drinking with my fellow students.
See you tomorrow for a maximum difficulty lylo fellas.
On November 06 2015 01:56 Vivax wrote: Why does it have to be you gumshoe? I just said I wasn't sure who's mafia anymore but you say it has to be between you and me.
oh I dont care who you go after, Ima still come for you. Just for funsies, the peeps you target can talk too though : P
Our racks are spent, but our hats have reached their final forms (I shall not post pictures this time, for each persons perfect hat is quite unique, and base images would not do such divine headware justice)
On November 06 2015 08:00 Vivax wrote: The challenge in this game right now is to actually get you to look at each other without the constant thought in your head that I am scum for sure cause it's simply not true.
Why do you have to look at each other and comment on that?
Cause I got no real slamdunk idea on who is scum right now and I need help from volunteers. I can't solve this game alone, I've been just feeling outplayed for days and I'm paranoid about all of you.
the problem with this is its exactly what scum would want us to do in a strong position -_- kill ourselves. Townies have the power of ignorance, were in they can come up with bullshit cases that they know 100 percent are the truth, when in fact are just theories at best. Basically yeh, who know the honest gospel, cannot bring thyself to concoct bullshit in the face of nigh overwhelming fact, and hope that we of lesser knowing can do what you cannot.
You call us biased, but the truth is your the one whose view point is fixed / : You see the situation so clearly, you cant actually concoct a case that makes sense, like a patron whose tasted such fine delights he no longer can bring himself to enjoy the flavor of based bacon, BACON. But your downfall shall be that we are now much the same,
Afterall, what lies can sate men who have tasted a desired truth far beyond their most cherished fantasies?
You rely on us cracking in the absence of absolute clarity, but it shall not be so chocolate man, it shall not, be so.
On November 06 2015 08:11 Vivax wrote: And btw BH your meta analysis is actually a point in my defense cause marv and rayn are dangerous players when they don't get mad about obnoxious/lazy/crazy players and Xata, the third, had a massive filter.
At best the ritoky NK was weird cause he really quit playing the game altogether since the Onegu kill and all he did was keep spamming how confirmed he was. And besides I really wanted to lynch him so the NK felt to me like "nope, wrong again bro" and I just wanted to bite my own ass at that point.
I don't even know where to start looking for the last mafia and I will do it tomorrow anyway, sober.
One important point is that it's probably the guy who was most right and survived the longest, still. Bolded for importance. We're looking for someone who was more right and more townie than marv or rayn since the game started, probably included scum in his lists but always pursued somebody else until he had to vote them, and who has always been buddy buddy with the other two townies.
I called hopeless/onegu day fucking 1. I was right about rayn, gb, xata, ritoky, marv slam, (Though I did go back and forth a bit on rit and chrom) and of course I am right about you.
basically
'I wouldn't say I'm the best,' she said, 'but I can't think of anyone better, I have to say.'
besides I've already locked you in for single combat so don't go dodging me mang : P
On November 06 2015 18:31 Vivax wrote: Let's go for a round of actually considering alternatives:
This was written when Slam had 5 votes on him after gumshoe posted an initial team of Xata/hopeless/Onegu. He was indeed town jesus! Yet starting from these reads he kept changing them for strange reason and based on what others said.
On October 24 2015 00:42 gumshoe wrote: Basically the people I would want to see lynched
Onegu-hopeless (both are interchangeably useless to me)
yamato-gb (these two are a matching pair, yamatos read on him was felt so accurate he is ether just right and awesome, or mafia taking advantage of gb being wrong about vivax)
probably wouldn't vote for anyone else outside these 4.
On October 24 2015 04:27 gumshoe wrote: Onegu might be town, hes very soft in pushing his reads but we agree on several accounts. Gonna unvote.
Chrom feels pretty active/emotional, dont wanna lynch him.
Rayn strikes me as sincere but misguided, exactly how I would imagine a townie. We have expectations of veteran players, but truth is bieng right from the get go in a game of mafia can be more about luck than anything else. So no, I wont vote him today.
Slam is playing too sensible, dont wanna discourage this by killing him.
gb is town, unless hes scum with slam his reactions plus the way he protected him take him totally off my list.
I kind of need yam to answer mah questions before I can say anything else.
Today I'd be willing to lynch Ritoky, who has totally disappeared and needs to be on more peoples radar. 20 hours as of right now since he last posted.
Hopeless is also a target, but everyone seems to magically think hes town so I guess he gets a pass.
On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote: So after catching up.
Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.
I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule.
Rayn is like 90% of his town meta.
Yamato did some stuff looked townie.
GB rolled my RnG.
Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think.
Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game.
I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority.
Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.
UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read.
Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now.
Ummm.....
No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked.
Damn I am good at this game.
You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong.
Now you can just compare reads to see if what gum was saying was truthful... GB and yamato Rngd and townread by Onegu, so gumshoe couldn't agree with it. Gumshoe himself falling under the 1gu rule and not ask him wtf that means, also agreeing with that. And Xatalos 100 % town, who was one of gum's initial scumreads.
So I assume this was gum early bussing his really useless mafia partners, then changing his mind when rayn and marv pushed for the slam lynch and GB made his dumb push on me.
The bolded makes no sense, as I came right around to lynching onegu to spare slam and rayn who I read as town, and I was defending gb -_- and wasnt even coming after you at the time.
id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it.
as for onegu rule, I assumed it was the same as any stupid slam/coag rule that magically makes them unlychanble, I always find those kinds of things total bullshit and didn't bother asking at the time cause I didn't want to even acknowledge it thereby giving it any credit whatsoever.
On November 06 2015 18:17 Vivax wrote: When I get somebody to muse with me about situations where I'm not mafia instead of just reflecting everything I write back at me, I am in a position where we actually scumhunt instead of having you continuing to kick the guy who's already down.
I don't know how many lylos you played but it's usually where you want to have different camps and not just one.
For example we have 3 players right now, 1 mafia among them, and me being an uncontested lynch. We need an advocatus diaboli to make this two sided, cause the game isn't over and you should still go over it. I wouldn't even be writing all this if I weren't a mislynch. But little can I do if the 2 remaining townies and the mafia keep repeating how they won't change their mind.
If you're good at this game and also know you can be wrong, you would have to help me make this a day where decisions are actually being made and not just followed through with.
if your good you also know when to trust your strengths and accept the obvious. My strengths are town reads, not scum reads, my town reads on bh and chrom are some of the strongest I've ever had. I have an insane rate of accuracy whenever I defend someone in gb like fashion and bh/chrom rise above even that / :
Also there actually is plenty of evidence against you, so those two put together basically eliminate all my doubts.
I will continue to reflect everything back at you because I don't think we need two camps / : I think that's exactly what scum needs, so forgive me for not entertaining your proposal.
question vivax, do you think the no shot was the best choice for today?
On November 07 2015 02:28 Chromatically wrote: Vivax, what's your order of who you think is the most to least scummy right now?
I think you all played this game similarly, you probably the least, being one of those who pushed GB with quite the effort. I'd put you into the towniest spot tentatively, BH in the middle and gumshoe as the scummiest. That might change upon reread.
question vivax, do you think the no shot was the best choice for today?
It's an odd question since everyone agreed it was. It just makes it harder for everyone to figure out the last maf, so yes, it was the best choice.
I understand it was super obvius for you that it would be a no shot, but wasnt really for anyone else
Bh
My initial thought remains "let's post our reads right before EoN" so that scum can't plan who to shoot for LYLO, but honestly our reads are already pretty much out there. I'll do the usual End of Night read post but I'm glad to discuss things with people before then.
Chrom
Huh. That's true. I guess we should just use this as extra discussion time.
me in response to you.
promise?
basically, you say it was super obvious, but no one elses mind just went there like yours did / : but that's a low blow, what I am really getting at, is you knew mafia were taking weird shots.
At best the ritoky NK was weird cause he really quit playing the game altogether since the Onegu kill and all he did was keep spamming how confirmed he was. And besides I really wanted to lynch him so the NK felt to me like "nope, wrong again bro" and I just wanted to bite my own ass at that point.
so with the knoledge in hand that scum had been unpredictable with thier nks this game and also that a no nk was objectively the perfect choice, why did you out the best move so casually?
After you say it, everyone's in agreement, its clearly optimal, if scum were going to take a shot before what you said, they most certainly weren't after.
Did you not even consider the negative impact nonchalantly guiding a clearly erratic shooter would have? Your reads aren't just bad this game Vivax, your not at all concerned about the negative effects of your overall play, like your bitching after the yam flip.
That yam flip really killed a lot of my motivation to play this game, he had two fucking days. It's a riddle to me why people actually sign up sometimes.
you never should do this at town, it contributes to a gloom and doom outlook on the game that only benefits scum, its also an excuse for future shitty play which is exactly what scum love to cultivate.
On November 07 2015 07:36 Vivax wrote: Your point about the shot doesn't matter, I'm just good enough to know the best play for scum in that situation, cause he has 2 guys who already agree with him. Why I think about this? Cause I think from town point of view. I know I'm the mislynch, I know that the last mafia just says the same stuff as the other two townies.
Easy decision for mafia: Don't shoot anyone, keep 2 allies and a mislynch.
Your gloom and doom point is irrelevant cause I play the game without many excuses really. I was just telling you how I felt. How do you feel after pushing a lynch on the wrong guy?
I dont talk about how mediocre I'm going to be after/because of/a mislynch.
also you dont exactly have a bunch of idiots here with you, we all have been pretty reasonable this game but none of us were quite as on your page right away about the nk, but clearly you had thought it through, so why didnt you even consider that maf was going to take a shot?
Mafia have done ludicrous work with the nk this game, I would have never expected rayn or ritoky to die and neither did you, so was it not possible mafia WAS going to make things easier for us by making an nk?
The fact that you didnt even consider that a possibility when you posted is my point / : no matter how unlikely it was, you may have been the one to put us into a slightly worse situation than we already were in if your town.
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