[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience - Page 2

On October 22 2015 06:19 Chromatically wrote:

And what would that be? The assumption that you're mafia?

On October 22 2015 06:25 Chromatically wrote:

That's what I was originally asking. My first assumption was that you were feeling pressure now that the game's started.

On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.

When he's afk he's mafia.

On October 22 2015 06:33 Blazinghand wrote:


I mean, it is "psuedo-random", but calling it that doesn't actually say anything negative about its use here. It's like noting that a dice roll isn't always perfectly random, or that it's really hard to generate randomness using computer. Sure, the Random class in Java isn't great, and maybe this is less random, but still this is SUPER random, so random you'd have to do it probably hundreds of thousands of time before there was a problem, or alternatively, due it a few hundred times per second or something.

It's random enough taht it's already way more random than it needs to be, and unlike literally all other attempts at RNG, it's provably not influenced by me.

On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.

On October 22 2015 06:38 Vivax wrote:


That doesn't make any sense.

Your reply isn't influenced by my alignment, only by yours.

Besides you might reverse that and say that if I'm mafia one of us is going to die, which is good.
Or that if I'm town it won't help get me lynched, which is also good.

But you chose to be a party pooper.
So you're mafia.

On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.

On October 22 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:

He has been super fatigued of rolling scum since he rolled scum for several games in a row. In the last game or two he rolled scum, he barely played and complained about wanting to be town. This game, if Marv is scum, he'll probably say/do nothing. If he's town expect him to be excited and energized about finally being able to be town and "recharge his batteries". Contrast Scum Marv that's on his game, who busts out hecka sweet moves. Marv's alignment should be obvious this game, even after he reads this post from me.




in general, maybe, but

1. Not by much
2. the reasons I laid out (skilled scum players, vanilla setup without extra townies, etc) all apply here
3. even in setups where town does have these advantages, RNG is still a good idea.

Why don't we sit down and discuss rayn's play so far? Is anyone else suspicious of his lack of contribution?

On October 22 2015 06:17 gumshoe wrote:


Because you feel he tried too hard to say something funny, and is therefore making a noticeable effort to try and blend in, or because you consider any anti chocolate agenda heresy?

also



not a bad idea

##vote vivax

On October 22 2015 06:45 Blazinghand wrote:


Okay if you're good at scum then that's even MORE argument for RNG! almost everyone here is good at scum! We'll never catch them D1 without lynching raynpelikoneet

thanks for your support voting raynpelikoneet

look, he's lurking even now, let's vote him

On October 22 2015 06:52 Blazinghand wrote:


Honestly I kinda want to get the wagon rolling just for that (he would be SO mad hueheue), but it's probably more reasonably to let rayn make a token defense before we lynch him

On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)