On October 22 2015 06:19 Chromatically wrote:
And what would that be? The assumption that you're mafia?
And what would that be? The assumption that you're mafia?
What did you think the "pressure" was referring to?
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On October 22 2015 06:19 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:16 Xatalos wrote: On October 22 2015 06:09 Chromatically wrote: So protown Vivax. On October 22 2015 06:01 Xatalos wrote: The pressure is real Are you feeling pressure, Xatalos? Heh. I'd imagine your question is based on an invalid assumption. And what would that be? The assumption that you're mafia? What did you think the "pressure" was referring to? | ||
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In the end, I think we're utterly doomed if we can't make a better than RNG lynch with this list of players.... It could be somehow feasible if the players were mostly inactive to get things rolling (lol) | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:25 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:21 Xatalos wrote: On October 22 2015 06:19 Chromatically wrote: On October 22 2015 06:16 Xatalos wrote: On October 22 2015 06:09 Chromatically wrote: So protown Vivax. On October 22 2015 06:01 Xatalos wrote: The pressure is real Are you feeling pressure, Xatalos? Heh. I'd imagine your question is based on an invalid assumption. And what would that be? The assumption that you're mafia? What did you think the "pressure" was referring to? That's what I was originally asking. My first assumption was that you were feeling pressure now that the game's started. It was mainly referring to the pressure on the votecount tool (with the harsh voting rules requiring its perfect functioning etc.). Well, I'm pretty confident in it after so many test games. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote: We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence. When he's afk he's mafia. Unbeatable logic. I think I've seen him be pretty inactive/useless as scum all around, and mostly OK as town. I think there was one(?) game where he was inactive/useless as town too though. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:33 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote: I'd say that's more like pseudo-pseudo-random though. It's not really as sophisticated as something like the Random class in Java. I'll give you that it's somewhat good in the sense that you can "prove" it's not just some number you made up, even if it's not exactly fully random. In the end, I think we're utterly doomed if we can't make a better than RNG lynch with this list of players.... It could be somehow feasible if the players were mostly inactive to get things rolling (lol) I mean, it is "psuedo-random", but calling it that doesn't actually say anything negative about its use here. It's like noting that a dice roll isn't always perfectly random, or that it's really hard to generate randomness using computer. Sure, the Random class in Java isn't great, and maybe this is less random, but still this is SUPER random, so random you'd have to do it probably hundreds of thousands of time before there was a problem, or alternatively, due it a few hundred times per second or something. It's random enough taht it's already way more random than it needs to be, and unlike literally all other attempts at RNG, it's provably not influenced by me. Well that's true. | ||
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Anyways I was under the impression that TL towns have mostly beaten RNG in recent years. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote: gumshoe might be mafia. Why? | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:38 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote: On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote: We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence. When he's afk he's mafia. I just don't take you seriously. If I do that and you're town, one of us is almost certainly going to die. If I do that and you're mafia, it won't help lynch you in any way. That doesn't make any sense. Your reply isn't influenced by my alignment, only by yours. Besides you might reverse that and say that if I'm mafia one of us is going to die, which is good. Or that if I'm town it won't help get me lynched, which is also good. But you chose to be a party pooper. So you're mafia. Hmm.. Well, yamato's certainly not being very useful so far... | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote: On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote: gumshoe might be mafia. Why? poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post. Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:38 Xatalos wrote: Why does marv being in the scumteam make it weak? :D He has been super fatigued of rolling scum since he rolled scum for several games in a row. In the last game or two he rolled scum, he barely played and complained about wanting to be town. This game, if Marv is scum, he'll probably say/do nothing. If he's town expect him to be excited and energized about finally being able to be town and "recharge his batteries". Contrast Scum Marv that's on his game, who busts out hecka sweet moves. Marv's alignment should be obvious this game, even after he reads this post from me. Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:38 Xatalos wrote: Anyways I was under the impression that TL towns have mostly beaten RNG in recent years. in general, maybe, but 1. Not by much 2. the reasons I laid out (skilled scum players, vanilla setup without extra townies, etc) all apply here 3. even in setups where town does have these advantages, RNG is still a good idea. Why don't we sit down and discuss rayn's play so far? Is anyone else suspicious of his lack of contribution? LOL :D That last line was funny. I really liked the first part of your post though. Seems like town thinking through stuff. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:17 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:06 Vivax wrote: ##Vote yamato77 Cause he complained about flavour. Because you feel he tried too hard to say something funny, and is therefore making a noticeable effort to try and blend in, or because you consider any anti chocolate agenda heresy? also Show nested quote + I'm thinking of a general strategy to kickstart this thing and skip the banter. It usually involves getting on the nerves of some prickly dude. not a bad idea ##vote vivax I guess you mean the difference between the earlier and latter part of this post and their style? | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:45 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote: bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside. Okay if you're good at scum then that's even MORE argument for RNG! almost everyone here is good at scum! We'll never catch them D1 without lynching raynpelikoneet thanks for your support voting raynpelikoneet look, he's lurking even now, let's vote him Hahaha... Really rock solid reasoning :D It'd be funny if he came online and saw a big wagon on himself immediately. Just for that, I might even vote for him. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:52 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:51 Xatalos wrote: On October 22 2015 06:45 Blazinghand wrote: On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote: bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside. Okay if you're good at scum then that's even MORE argument for RNG! almost everyone here is good at scum! We'll never catch them D1 without lynching raynpelikoneet thanks for your support voting raynpelikoneet look, he's lurking even now, let's vote him Hahaha... Really rock solid reasoning :D It'd be funny if he came online and saw a big wagon on himself immediately. Just for that, I might even vote for him. Honestly I kinda want to get the wagon rolling just for that (he would be SO mad hueheue), but it's probably more reasonably to let rayn make a token defense before we lynch him Just LOL :D | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:54 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:52 Xatalos wrote: Hmmm... Tbh I don't see the big differences in that post you quoted ritoky. ??? :D | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote: BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) Well I think it's better than the standard "hi" / "I'm town" openings | ||
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