Maybe I'll take a break from TL Mafia after this for a while...

There's a bit too much drama for some reason. The Vendetta Strada games were all very enjoyable, and Diplomacy games are generally very enjoyable too, but they were full of drama and rage in the TL Diplomacy games. At least the later ones, the first ones were fine.

Why does it have to go into issues of personality and ad hominem.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 22:17 GMT

#1585

Meh... I guess it's not always easy to avoid it in games like this.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 22:20 GMT

#1586

But for marv to be shot when he wasn't even playing... I must be on the wrong track in some form or another.

Maybe I'll sleep on it and look at things tomorrow.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 22:21 GMT

#1588

gumshoe: my earlier post referring to the fact that Onegu could well be doing that discrediting as scum, not out of stupidity.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 22:27 GMT

#1591

On October 25 2015 07:20 Onegu wrote:
Me being lynched there and flipping town I guarentee wouldnt have put any pressure on ritoky or BH. People would have just been like you guys are stupid Slam is scum why did you go on Onegu when this is his town meta.

It would have been that 100%

Ritoky moving is at best NAI

In no way at all should it get him a town read.

It's not a major part of why I townread him anyway. And still... Your post is assuming that A) you're town (I guess that's understandable from your point of view, if you're town, but not objectively) and that B) ritoky was certain the shenanigans wouldn't cause the lynch to switch into any unfavorable direction when Slam was already being lynched. I've certainly seen very fast shenanigans lynches in the last minutes before. Why bother? It was all set for scum already.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 22:28 GMT

#1592

Your post also assumes that rayn is town since the shenanigans were clearly threatening rayn's life too.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 22:59 GMT

#1605

On October 25 2015 07:40 ritoky wrote:

Show nested quote +

to be fair you instigated a lot of it yourself or if you don't want to talk that level of culpability you harbored a portion of it yourself. mafia is a game of people who wanna have big dicks, egos get bruised every game and if they aren't being bruised than tbh ppl aren't playing hard enough.

but then there are anomalies like me who understand their penis is small and have adjusted their life accordingly.

Maybe so... But I certainly didn't start the personal insults and I don't think I ever even said anything... IRL-related. The worst I said was, I think, that marv's current level of scum play is sad.

Meanwhile I was called "a horrible human being", "a terrible player", "idiot", "stupid", "horrible", "undeserving to play this game", "I loathe you" and many other similar things.

I think things should be kept game-related. Calling someone suspicious for something they did, in-game, shouldn't translate to things outside of the game.

Maybe I'll just have to assume they're town from now on. I'm just quite hesitant to do that when my high town read, Little Lamb, turned out to be scum after all in a recent game.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:03 GMT

#1606

Meh. Maybe it worked out for the better when I just sheeped them D1. Even when rayn was scum last game, sheeping him ultimately led to him being revealed as scum.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:04 GMT

#1607

Well, I didn't exactly sheep him, but I voted for the same target he did (rsoultin).

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:05 GMT

#1608

Onegu, you mean this game? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/435582-back-to-the-basics-mini-mafia

It seems very old already though.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:20 GMT

#1613

Are you really sure it's so similar? In that game, he seemed to reflect on his own play / make reasonable posts even when he was pissed off. He was focused on figuring out the scumteam and convincing other people of that even while going down.

Here that "we would never see him post again if he was scum" seems to hit much closer to the truth.....?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:21 GMT

#1614

On October 25 2015 08:11 Onegu wrote:
LIke XXiii or some random number where I town read him without reading his filter. He just quit as scum.

That's what he's doing here though?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:23 GMT

#1616

Like really... how you described it, he's playing exactly according to his scum meta and nothing like his town meta?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:24 GMT

#1618

I mean... rayn hasn't made a real post ever since he became pissed off. In that game, he was mad but he was still trying to steer town into the right direction until he died.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:27 GMT

#1620

He also said this:

On December 03 2013 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I promise i will never be this bad in a mafia game ever.

But he was infinitely more useful to town there.... He developed his reads and talked about them even when there was no hope left.....

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:41 GMT

#1624

I can't really understand how Onegu could have come to the conclusion that rayn is town from his description. He said that scum rayn would just stop trying when he became pissed and try to replace or something. He's probably been trying to get replaced here, and he at least hasn't been trying. As town in that game, his actions were pro-town up to his death. (well, at least considerably more pro-town than here - explaining his reads and talking about them)

This leads me to the conclusion that rayn&Onegu are probably scum...

Anyways.

ritoky: I'll wait to see what Chromatically has on GlowingBear. As of right now, I'm very reluctant to lynch him because it's very unlikely for him to go at scum rayn when he did as scum.

I've already forgotten about Hopeless and yamato. Have they even done anything after the start? The last scum could well be among them.

I'm a bit interested in BH's attitude towards rayn (and disappearance from the thread) as well.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:43 GMT

#1625

That said, Vivax has also disappeared.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:47 GMT

#1626

Well yamato's filter was disappointing. Even so, I've seen him be a lurker once before as town, so it's hard to confirm him scum based on that... But he's definitely in the PoE.

Dunno about Hopeless.... Somehow he seems happy / relaxed in his posts? Is this indicative of town Hopeless? Even if he's unremarkable.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:52 GMT

#1627

Btw ritoky, I don't think BH was ever seriously after rayn... At least that's what he said. I have a lingering doubt that BH could have randomed his teammate (rayn), then went with it for a while and dropped it whenever he could... But that's kind of tinfoily already. Mostly that thought came to me when BH unvoted rayn so suddenly, when the wagon was starting to actually feel threatening for rayn, even though he had nothing better in mind either.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

October 24 2015 23:58 GMT

#1630

Meeeh... But I really like how BH tried to divert the lynch from Slam to Onegu. He seemed enthusiastic about it too, when as scum he should have been already content with Slam. And if he actually was scum with rayn (as the tinfoil theory suggested) then it would make little to no sense to derail the rayn counter-wagon, endangering rayn.

BH is probably just town after all?