On October 31 2015 05:02 Vivax wrote: I have no intention of arguing against you further, it's more pleasant to just be lynched and throw in some occasional comments over hammering reason into insanity.
Either way it's going to be the hopeless/me/GB combo being lynched so either we win or we lose to scum cause the remaining townies don't know how to tinfoil instead of circlejerking about a common opinion.
Vivax, if I ever get too much for you to handle you can always just shoot me : D nobody will blame you for it since you can just go wifom wifom wifom "why would I lynch gumshoe that makes me look bad!" wifom wifom wifom.
On the off chance that I successfully provoked vivax into killing me, I'll just reiterate, stay the course folks, don't lynch anyone but hopeless tomorrow as hes basically a free kill / :
I would lynch vivax before gb but really doesn't matter as long as they both die.
On October 31 2015 20:23 Vivax wrote: Cause if it was MvM there's 1 mafia riding hard on lynch cred and you don't want to have to start considering that at lylo in the really scary case that hopeless flips town.
Kk ima be nice alright?
doesn't the exact same thing apply if gb flips town and hopeless flips scum? -_- from your perspective if gb isnt scum, someone on the Onegu wagon MUST be.
Course theres one other possibility, maybe mafia threw all their weight to save onegu?
Wouldn't that mean chrom could be scum too vivax?
also we should be lynching hopeless right now because hes more scummy than gb, whose actually put quite a bit of effort into this game / : we want to delay lylo as long as possible, because if the scummer is rayn tier than they'll have an easier time manipulating town if the stakes are higher.
You all are so set on lynching gb right now, you haven't considered that if the scummer is skilled he can use that potential mislynch to sow doubt amongst us and perhaps cause us to shift from da plan / : (if your certain you wont break, are you sure about your fellows? Ritoky has already been to finfoil land, hes for sures town, whose to say it cant happen again?)
tldr
We should lynch the person with the highest chance of flipping scum right now, to avoid giving the remaining scum more of a chance, as it will only take one of us having doubts about whether or not we should bank the game on killing a lurker to turn the tides for maf.
PS. If there's 2 scum among vivax, gb and hopeless, vivax and gb arent likely scum together (that would mean that gb, the only competent scummer on his team of hopeless and onegu, threw himself to the wolves day fucking 1.) That means between the three, hopeless is the only one that MUST be scum as he doesn't really clash with either of them.
On November 01 2015 01:53 Chromatically wrote: For some reason that felt like a scumclaim to me, but I guess he hasn't really been playing the game for a while now so nothing really new here.
yep : P he scum, now whats more likely? Is he trying to meta us into not lynching his scum buddy that he tried to lynch yesterday for "dat mad cred"?
Or perhaps, is gb just town XD
doesnt even matter though, we should lynch hopeless regardless : P
On November 01 2015 02:06 Chromatically wrote: gumshoe, there's actually like a billion reasons in the thread for GB to be mafia from a whole bunch of people, and everyone has agreed with it... I don't know how you can still defend him, especially not from a random vote Hopeless threw down (lol).
I'm fine lynching Hopeless today though, that's probably the "correct" move given that he probably literally isn't going to post today now that he's voted. I do agree with Vivax's desire to see whether the wagons were M-T or T-T, but in either case we should lynch Hopeless so I don't think it actually matters that much. GB just has to be lynched tomorrow.
I've disagreed with almost all those reasons : P gb just doesn't strike me as the guy I've been playing against. Hes put too much effort into a game that could be easily as seen as lost from the get go.
I just dont get how he thought he could win day 1 with a team of hopeless and onegu by playing such an agro style / : like, when I look at gb, I see someone who is just begging to be lynched constantly with his play(coming out with a case against me of all things yesterday -_-) but if your right about his team, hes not bieng an lightning rod for anyone, onegu and hopeless get lynched no matter what, so who is he tanking for?
Whats more he IS playing the game, I think your a bit biased by his meta, from a totally neutral standpoint hes been very active and engaging, usually answering all questions directed at him.
I just dont see it man, hes playing as if the game isn't lost ,
especially his big anti me post yesterday, why put in all that stupid effort just to flip and basically prove it all to be bullshit
Hes making a post that will make absolutely no difference if he flips scum, so clearly he must think hes going to survive right? But if your right, his own two teamates were bussing him, and they never stopped bussing him 0_0
So gb puts a ton of effort into a case that wont make even make a ripple let alone a wave if he flips scum, on the off chance that town would save him while his own mates were bussing?
I just dont buy it, I would expect something like Onegu's pity post any day, but not a whole frikin case that only matters on the off chance that I live when my own team has given up on me -_-.
Meanwhile, we have onegu pleading, screaming wifom, and hopeless bending backwards to justify why his null read is his scum read and his should be scum read is a null read.
and of course dont forgot Vivax's last second attempt to sway xata -_-
Too much effort was put in by all our suspects for a lynch that supposedly didn't fucking matter 0_0
its just not consistent chrom, I checked vivax's games, hes fully capable of playing an active scum game like this / : you should check him out for yourself.
On November 01 2015 02:06 Chromatically wrote: gumshoe, there's actually like a billion reasons in the thread for GB to be mafia from a whole bunch of people, and everyone has agreed with it... I don't know how you can still defend him, especially not from a random vote Hopeless threw down (lol).
I'm fine lynching Hopeless today though, that's probably the "correct" move given that he probably literally isn't going to post today now that he's voted. I do agree with Vivax's desire to see whether the wagons were M-T or T-T, but in either case we should lynch Hopeless so I don't think it actually matters that much. GB just has to be lynched tomorrow.
I've disagreed with almost all those reasons : P gb just doesn't strike me as the guy I've been playing against. Hes put too much effort into a game that could be easily as seen as lost from the get go.
I just dont get how he thought he could win day 1 with a team of hopeless and onegu by playing such an agro style / : like, when I look at gb, I see someone who is just begging to be lynched constantly with his play(coming out with a case against me of all things yesterday -_-) but if your right about his team, hes not bieng an lightning rod for anyone, onegu and hopeless get lynched no matter what, so who is he tanking for?
Whats more he IS playing the game, I think your a bit biased by his meta, from a totally neutral standpoint hes been very active and engaging, usually answering all questions directed at him.
I just dont see it man, hes playing as if the game isn't lost ,
especially his big anti me post yesterday, why put in all that stupid effort just to flip and basically prove it all to be bullshit
Hes making a post that will make absolutely no difference if he flips scum, so clearly he must think hes going to survive right? But if your right, his own two teamates were bussing him, and they never stopped bussing him 0_0
So gb puts a ton of effort into a case that wont make even make a ripple let alone a wave if he flips scum, on the off chance that town would save him while his own mates were bussing?
I just dont buy it, I would expect something like Onegu's pity post any day, but not a whole frikin case that only matters on the off chance that I live when my own team has given up on me -_-.
Meanwhile, we have onegu pleading, screaming wifom, and hopeless bending backwards to justify why his null read is his scum read and his should be scum read is a null read.
and of course dont forgot Vivax's last second attempt to sway xata -_-
Too much effort was put in by all our suspects for a lynch that supposedly didn't fucking matter 0_0
its just not consistent chrom, I checked vivax's games, hes fully capable of playing an active scum game like this / : you should check him out for yourself.
I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched.
I can talk specifically with his post about you he made. Why is he more likely to put effort in there as town or as mafia? As mafia, he wants to seem like he's town by pushing to survive, and making posts like that is one of the ways he can seem town. In addition, he probably thinks that he can carry the game better than Onegu can, so he legitimately wants Onegu lynched over him. Putting "effort" in when you're about to be lynched is not a town tell; I would have put in a lot of effort in that position as mafia too.
You said that I'm "biased" by his meta, but you don't explain why it's bias. The meta is a very legitimate point against GB. You're similarly using meta as a point against Vivax, but I found his meta pretty inconclusive for me. I did check it out for myself and made a post about it a while ago. He could be playing like this as mafia, but his meta doesn't show that he's more likely to be mafia. With GB, the meta does.
For the bias aspect, I checked out gbs games, you only mentioned 6 of them but hes played at close to 30 -_- I checked the games where hes about to get lynched, when hes scum its more like "wow you guys are so bad for voting me" its all about protecting himself, but yesterday he was pretty much resigned to dying, and was more concerned with pushing a scum read before he died. Which is more in line with his town games I've found.
Also your argument he was trying to convince town with effort is kinda bull, his own teamers were totally bussing him, it was as grim a situation as it gets, scum gb would spend his last moments yelling at town for thier incompetence, not trying to "solve" the game / :
also out of the 7 scum games he played, only one of them has had as much activity as hes shown this game / : his push vs me was all caps and hyperbole. his filter is higher than his scum average his "last moments" are more in line with town gb all in all, his meta seems more in his favour than anything else / : but maybe thats just mah bias.
On November 01 2015 06:05 Vivax wrote: Gumshoe's entire argument against me asking Xata to switch is pretty bad if GB is mafia cause that shows you I actually had no reason to beg Xata to switch his vote except for just getting my pref lynch. Yes it was. So he can lynch him and if he flips town he actually gets to apply it.
And BEFORE we tinfoil we can actually find out if it's worth tinfoiling, that's when GB flips mafia.
I am saying gb isn't mafia -_- his actions as scum are retarded, and gbs not that bad as scum. Hes more insulty and apathetic as opposed to bullheaded townie.
sigh, gb has no way to win this game if hes scum, his actions are no consistent with a scummer whose about to die and invalidate all his reads / : like theres still confidence in his voice cause he thinks town can win, if hes scum with hopeless his tone would be much diffrent? But maybe I'm reading his voice all wrong T_T(this would be so much easier to acertain and convince people of in voice or video / : its just hard to translate a tone read)
If gb was scum with hopeless and onegu, why did he shoot rayn? Clearly onegu did it for cred
a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo.
Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not.
Anyway I am going to bed.
We should lynch xata or hopeless toda
according to his logic, it looks shit on Gb too, so who the fuck was the nk for? Onegu? Was the scum team really banking all their hope on him (clearly cause hopeless sided with gb on the vote)? Do you think Gb would endorse that?
It's absolute bonkers -_- I dont get the vibe of defeated scum from gb, yet hes clearly sure hes going to get lynched
fter I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.
Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
hes done this twice -_- dumped a ton of effort into reads that dont matter if he flips scum, which he must assume will happen because his buddies have bussed him 2 days in a row. Hes more concerned with us taking him seriusly after hes dead than trying to stay alive. thats not scum
Cause if it was MvM there's 1 mafia riding hard on lynch cred and you don't want to have to start considering that at lylo in the really scary case that hopeless flips town.
I don't thibk hopeless is mafia...
both vivax and gb assume hopeless has a decent shot of flipping town -_- that is to say, both the prime scum reads dont paticulalry want to lynch hopeless, so you know what we should probally do? Fucking lynch hopeless so we dont have to worry about spending our last lylo life on a lurker
Also if your talking about lynching for info, lynching hopeless is way better for that / : as gb bieng scum with vivax is unlikely, so clearly hopeless must be the buddy of whoevers scum. If hopeless is town, thats the real bombshell it would force us to totally reevaluate, whereas a gb or vivax lynch would just have us staying the course.
Tldr. 1 of the three scum is most likely scum, if somehow hes not scum hes the only flip that gives us reason to rethunk the game.
it would force us to totally reevaluate, whereas a gb or vivax lynch would just have us staying the course.
This is totally idiotic
Are you claiming to be scum with gb now? Please tell me how likely that is, please do.
You are not likely scum with gb, so if only one of you is scum, and hopeless is town, that means theres a scummer riding off lynch cred -_- as you say.
Wheres the problem with what I'm saying?
I actually totally agree though, it is idiotic, which is why we should just lynch hopeless instead of digging into the tinfoil cause hopeless is just scum,
I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched.
To chrom, let me tell ya about voting : P not mafia voting, I mean voting voting. Everyone should do it right? Its a tiny little thing that has a good chance to improve your overall life, so why dont we? Why is only seventy percent voter turn out considered a good thing? Also why is higher voter turnouts considered bad for the people in power?
Its because as a whole we dont act unless we have too, and we know our actions will make a difference. Thats why effort is townie, it's hard to bring yourself to write up massive cases that you know is bullshit, thats why scummers end games with 5 page filters while towners have 30.
as for you argument hes was trying to convince us to spare him through effort.
1: the case was against me -_- the guy most likely to spare him,
2: it was pretty terrible.
3: not once this game has anyone been swayed by the pants on head logic, so there's was no reason to think it would work now.
I dont see how gb thought he was going to live with his own teamates bussing him and by accusing his ally AND by having a shit argument. More likely? He just thought he was gonna flip town and blow the whole case wide open post mortem / :
On November 02 2015 02:01 Vivax wrote: Maybe you're afraid that GB flipping scum would clear me from the stuff you started throwing at me post-lynch?
If he's town you can use it against me tomorrow, so let him flip!
I want to lynch scum, ether of you two could be town, I am going after the one person I know is almost certain to be scum so that I leave the remaining scummer as little wiggle room as possible, whoever that may be. I am doing this to delay my own gratification because I know a lynch on you probably wouldn't happen today(I would also feel really fucking bad if your actually town), and even though a green flip on Gb would feel fucking great, it's not worth going into lylo with 2 scum.
fter I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.
Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
hes done this twice -_- dumped a ton of effort into reads that dont matter if he flips scum, which he must assume will happen because his buddies have bussed him 2 days in a row. Hes more concerned with us taking him seriusly after hes dead than trying to stay alive. thats not scum
He is perfectly capable of doing this as mafia, I quoted it to you. Putting effort into the game when you're about to be lynched is not a town tell (in general, but also for GB specifically).
his effort should not have saved him if hes scum, as if it was super bad effort, he could have made a much easier appeal to town by not attacking me and going after someone like hopeless and vivax who he had already scum read.
that and the nk logic (clear cut from onegu, but super convoluted for gb?) doesn't click
but it dont matter, we should lynch hopeless regardless ) :
I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched.
To chrom, let me tell ya about voting : P not mafia voting, I mean voting voting. Everyone should do it right? Its a tiny little thing that has a good chance to improve your overall life, so why dont we? Why is only seventy percent voter turn out considered a good thing? Also why is higher voter turnouts considered bad for the people in power?
Its because as a whole we dont act unless we have too, and we know our actions will make a difference. Thats why effort is townie, it's hard to bring yourself to write up massive cases that you know is bullshit, thats why scummers end games with 5 page filters while towners have 30.
as for you argument hes was trying to convince us to spare him through effort.
1: the case was against me -_- the guy most likely to spare him,
2: it was pretty terrible.
3: not once this game has anyone been swayed by the pants on head logic, so there's was no reason to think it would work now.
I dont see how gb thought he was going to live with his own teamates bussing him and by accusing his ally AND by having a shit argument. More likely? He just thought he was gonna flip town and blow the whole case wide open post mortem / :
By writing arguments like that, he looks like he's trying to find mafia, which will make people think that he is town. That's why people do that when they're about to be lynched, so they can look more town. The point isn't that he was hoping to convince people to vote you over him, he was hoping that people would look at his case and think, "oh that's a townie thing to do". The fact that his argument was bad should be a point against him, not for him.
See, I read gb as a pretty emotional player, I cant see him doing that when his own team is bussing him in such a derpy fashion when it was all likely for not / : I've read his scum games, hes not that good an actor, show me one time he was in such a situation and he had the balls to attack the guy he had the best shot of convincing with a case that big.
If you can demonstrate capacity, I'll concede, but otherwise his scum play this game is an anomaly, that and as much you might hate to admit, the derpiest player is usually town, does that suck? Yes, but that doesn't make it less true / :
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