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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 00:53 GlowingBear wrote: Uh huh Damm, logic and insults do not sway you / : my bread and butter are ineffective. All I have left is this. I dont like to do this and I dont want to make a habit out of it / : but I also dont like Vivax having hope. If you really still think I'm scum T_T click the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + I swear on my life and the lives of my mother and father that I am town this game. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:10 Vivax wrote: There's no townies pushing you as mafia in your world (only me and GB, your scumreads rite?) so this sounds pretty odd. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided  , 2 paranoid.I couldn't care less about you, I just hate being pushed by town, at all, you can find this in all mah games : P 1 town read of mine being certain I am scum is too many. This reason is a) I'm a little bitch b) I dont omgus unless I'm sure the person is scum, so I dont have the self defense mechanism that most townies do ) : As for chrom, lets assume hopeless is mafia (which he is, and you cant save him) that means chrom would be your final scum as opposed to me / : yet your not pushing him at all ) : Also did you read his day 2 push on gb? Why would he go through all that effort (actually meta reading gb, going through all his past games) when the lynch was already on town? Scum dont dump that much effort into a lynch thats going well for them. If he had gotten gb lynched and gb flipped town, that would look terrible -_- Basically chroms day 2 had two traits 1: tremendous effort at a time scum wouldnt need to showcase tremendous effort 2: A desire to catch scum over looking good. Chrom is not scum this game / : | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:10 Vivax wrote: There's no townies pushing you as mafia in your world (only me and GB, your scumreads rite?) so this sounds pretty odd. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided , 2 paranoid.Wrong, one of you is scum 1 is town, the second scum is hopeless, between you two btw I think gb is town | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:15 Vivax wrote: Gumshoe when did you start scumreading me? I have one more potential scum read, but at this point the well becomes pretty foggy and there's no point calling up a shitstorm when I don't have any hard evidence. Early night 2. if you want the true inception of my read on you it was the post just before Bh ritoky Rayn probally chrom and maybe xat (I still think his sheer activity disqualifies him as scum, but he might be playing a holyflare level game, dont think it's likely though) are the only people I really consider full town atm. No one else deserves a pass and should be cast under a lens. Back to the drawing board T_T So lets assume the people on my list are beyond reproach (ritoky is town, fuck you so is chrom) that leaves gb, hopeless onegu and you. You and gb cannot be scum together, because gb wouldnt throw his life away bussing you day 1(its unlikely at least) So that means scum team is hopeless onegu vivax or hopeless onegu gb. Thats honestly all it was / : I had no real case on you, you just weren't confirmed town in my eyes. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:25 Vivax wrote: Yet you said something along the lines of "when me and a townread of mine push Vivax/GB" not long ago. I assume we lynch one before lylo. Which logically means that if the game doesnt end the other is where???? At fucking lylo. Point is, everyone else is confirmed town, I think gb is townier than you but id like to be wrong given how much of a twat he is. We have a mislynch, so its going into one of you to but yeah, your not both scum -_- its very unlikely given the early game. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:33 Xatalos wrote: If gumshoe is scum in this game, I'll happily give the win to him. I think he's been the most helpful player for town in the game overall. If such a player is scum, then town deserves to lose... you guys need to stop saying this, its just gonna be give gb a bigger justice boner. The moon is not green, I am not scum, this game is won. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:32 Chromatically wrote: I really don't get it. He got a read on ritoky, but he never assumed that Onegu was mafia. He saw that ritoky's action made more sense as town if Onegu is mafia AND if Onegu is town, so he gets a conclusion about ritoky. Is the argument that gumshoe is more likely to think about relational reads like that as mafia? Because I don't see that at all. And in the posts before the ones you quoted, he did say he wanted to kill Onegu (although I still don't get how that's relevant to the ritoky thing)? For the record, I read GB's case and I am completely unconvinced. gumshoe basically spent all D2 defending GB but knows that everyone in the game wants him gone (and he was wrong on yamato), and he's said multiple times that he's okay with lynching GB. His hesitance between GB and Onegu makes a lot of sense from him, and it's definitely not 100% by any stretch of the imagination. Honestly, if gumshoe is mafia and GB is town, he pretty easily could have kept his vote on GB after being so undecided about it. He literally wrote that he thought GB is mafia from tone and voted. Why not keep the vote there if he's town??? That's on top of the meta stuff I've said earlier and the fact that he's so so passionate about yamato mafia and GB town and the fact that he's been posting a lot of thoughts. btw vivax still thinks you might be scum. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided , 2 paranoid. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:37 Vivax wrote: Alright so according to gumshoe's theory hopeless is mafia with me. So I'ma just vote hopeless and he can see who doesn't want to. I'll give him one lynch that isn't me or GB. A lynch he must want cause it's GB OR me but for sure it's hopeless (in his world). Dont pretend you somehow have the thread presence to allow or disallow anything. Your not giving me jack. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:47 Chromatically wrote: I'm worried that somehow people won't lynch GB if we don't do it soon. Like LYLO with gumshoe, Vivax, and GB sounds like an absolute nightmare right now. I swear that wont happen, we lynch hopeless tommorow, gb/vivax the day after and whoevers left between the two at lylo. No one else dies by fire this game. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:49 Xatalos wrote: Well does hopeless, Vivax, gumshoe sound any better  oh dear god 0_0 | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 02:00 Xatalos wrote: Well I think you can pretty safely say that if my filter is 20+ pages, I'm town your mah rock babe : P | ||
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gumshoe
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Honestly dont remember much of VivaxThink there is some good effort to keep things on track from Vivax, though it was pissed away to tell rayn to fuck off basically. The bolded was crossed out / ; its like he wanted to write a super vague post but thought better of it to avoid being obvious, not sure why he made it clear though -_- This is all we got from onegu Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now. You KNOW someones giving a vague read when you have to go into someone elses filter to find out wtf they are talking about -_- this was yams opionion btw literally town Vivax to a tee mafia Viv is a little bitch | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 02:08 Xatalos wrote: Btw I still have a lingering feeling that ritoky could be scum, but all the voting etc. evidence seems to point otherwise... Meh. There are enough pretty clear / reasonable townies here that everything should work out fine. Dont worry about it, youll be dead soon enough : D don't see scum letting you through to lylo / : your way too green for your own good. | ||
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gumshoe
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basically when in doubt of your own reads, the best thing you can do is not provide an opening for scum. You clearly agree based off your sig : P "The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." | ||
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gumshoe
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Its perfectly reasonable for someone with unconfident in thier scum hunt game to be excited about proving they're towniness, as they have done the second best thing they can for town / : also bh yall should get in some last words too, you probs gonna die : P | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote: Yes when I want to make something not obvious I'll just cross it out and make it obvious. I said as much : P its dumb, but yeah nobody is lining up to give hopeless any pro play medals. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 03:11 Blazinghand wrote: Well, I think gum is town so I'm glad for anyone to not vote him, but this kind of logic is shit. You lynch in a way that gives us the best chance to win, not because of some moral judgment about who "deserves" to win. I didn't push Onegu because his shit play meant he "deserves" to lose if he's town or if he's scum, I pushed him because he was likely to flip scum. By the same notion, I don't care whether gumshoe deserves to win or lose: we shouldn't lynch him anyways. Why? Because he is town. I think that he was instrumental in the 1G lynch yesterday (though if both wagons were scum as I suspect it doesn't matter) and all game has been laying down solid analysis. He has been unafraid to interact with players, make posts and cases, and comment on other people's posts and cases. Overall he plays like a guy with nothing to hide and I really can't see why people think he's scum. I'm a more practical sort : P the whole "deserves to win" line of logic infuriates certain townies, NO ONE wants to heart that a game is lost because town played that much worse than scum. basically in theory its bad, and in practice its worse, so dont do it XD | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 03:15 Blazinghand wrote: Scum has what, 3 nks assuming the longest setup? If one of GB/H1 is town, and we lynch both, we go to 2-1 LYLO Pretty sure the people killed are gonna be you, me and xat unless scum is pants-on-head retarded im not gonna die / : vivax and gb (one of which are scum) are dumping tons of effort into scum reading me. I doubt theyll waste it with a shot (unless they go for super duper omega wifom) more likely they'll kill chrom or ritoky ( mymonies on chrom) course they could pull another rayn / : but yeah, pretty sure I'm sticking around. | ||
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