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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:09 GMT
#1397
Who is Gunshot btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:13 GMT
#1398
If it's the case that marv wouldn't want to play at all as scum, as it seems to be, that just leaves me to conclude that marv is off his game. I guess that can happen to everyone... I'll need to confirm that for myself next though.

As for rayn/Chromatically, they should be lynched next most likely. Currently undecided on the last suspect.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:17 GMT
#1400
Well..... All I can say is that if this is marv's current scumgame, then he's probably town here... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494452-student-mafia-xv?user=marvellosity
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:18 GMT
#1401
On October 24 2015 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am qeffectively quitting this game because this is not fun.


You mean the pressure? Get used to it. It's a part of playing Mafia.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:19 GMT
#1403
On October 24 2015 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wGFhy do i play with trolls
hy do i play with people who are .............iusfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfasfaoC A


Why do you call him troll? He played this game more seriously and focused more on scumhunting than I've ever seen him do. Last time he was scum, he only trolled all game. Nothing like that here.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:24 GMT
#1407
Seriously rayn, you hosted the game where he was scum and only trolled all game. You even talked to me on Skype how he didn't really play at all. Here his effort level was like 20-30x higher, yet you are mad about it. Following your logic, half of the players in this game are useless trolls, since he put in more effort than most. Especially Onegu/Hopeless/gumshoe.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:25 GMT
#1411
On October 24 2015 06:23 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 06:06 Xatalos wrote:
On October 24 2015 06:04 marvellosity wrote:
Slam why couldn't you post that 10 minutes earlier?


What difference would it have made? It was just a listpost, nothing especially townish compared to his clear focus on scumhunting all D1.

i found it very town?

would you just fuck off?


Not really. Anyone can make listposts. Reading through the thread and making insightful comments on stuff is harder and he did just that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:27 GMT
#1415
On October 24 2015 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 06:24 Vivax wrote:
i feel bad for slam but otherwise pretty relaxed

i don't. he should be lynched 100% of the games he "plays" in.


I don't really know what to say. I've never seen him put in this much effort, and I think the average level of effort from players is lower than his effort this game. This game is full of veterans so obviously the level of play is generally higher, but still he didn't seem bad or anything. The opposite actually.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:28 GMT
#1416
On October 24 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
god i hope you are scum, xata.


And I hope you are too, but sadly that doesn't seem to be the case based on your last scumgames where you didn't even play. Maybe your level of play as town dropped along with it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:31 GMT
#1417
I mean, a part of my scumread on you was that I wished you were scum. Alas, I have to face reality.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:42 GMT
#1421
Basically, I don't think someone who joins games with the attitude of ruining the game if he rolls a specific role has the right to call anyone terrible. Especially if he also can't read people properly.

As for rayn, I'm appeased by the fact that he is scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:44 GMT
#1422
But I won't completely rule out the option that marv could be scum and the scumteam forced him to actually play in this game. I know I would have done everything I could to achieve that in their position. Well, looking at the last game, that might have still not been possible....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 21:48 GMT
#1424
On October 24 2015 06:45 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 06:24 Xatalos wrote:
Seriously rayn, you hosted the game where he was scum and only trolled all game. You even talked to me on Skype how he didn't really play at all. Here his effort level was like 20-30x higher, yet you are mad about it. Following your logic, half of the players in this game are useless trolls, since he put in more effort than most. Especially Onegu/Hopeless/gumshoe.


Bro I've put way more effort into this game than you and def more than slam and thats Besides the fact that I wasn't pushing for a retarded lynch like half of town.

I've provided plenty of solid reasons all throughout day 1 for why I deemed gb, rayn and slam town. I scum read you initially and then realized I was flat out wrong before my idiocy impacted the lynch (something you could learn from).

Worst thing is, now you fucking group me with the people I wanted gone? That is total bullshit.

apologize to gumshoe + Lynch yamato/hopeless day 2= eat crow and profit.


What could I learn from? I was right.

But I agree that you have actually posted some stuff in this game. Although it's mostly been about policy lynching lurkers.

Maybe I should take a small break now. I don't usually get invested enough in games to insult people.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 22:02 GMT
#1428
On October 24 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
Also I deduced why Gb is town, I meta read rayn, I gut read slam, worked through some suspicions with Bh, didnt tinfoil against marv, accused Yamato of making a mafia play based off forbidden knowledge, went back and forth on chrom and you and ritoky. I've done tons of thinking and posting and you boiling it down to me accusing lurkers is super shitty

I hope you die tonight. And I dont mean in the game.


...... Okay. But that's really what it boils down to, since the other stuff didn't have much impact during the day. At most it gathered responses like "scum post" or "useless wall of text" (not by me, mind you).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 22:03 GMT
#1429
On October 24 2015 06:54 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 06:17 Xatalos wrote:
Well..... All I can say is that if this is marv's current scumgame, then he's probably town here... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494452-student-mafia-xv?user=marvellosity


Wow Xat, you successfully deduced that Marv's scumgame is really bad and apathetic right now

how could you figure that out so quickly without help? so clever, you get towncred from me for your original discovery

oh no wait

oh

oh no

the opposite of that


When did I claim it was an original discovery? I just went and looked for myself since the doubt of you misrepresenting something wouldn't leave my head after your unvote + support of rayn when he was in actual danger.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 22:04 GMT
#1430
On October 24 2015 06:51 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 06:48 Xatalos wrote:
On October 24 2015 06:45 gumshoe wrote:
On October 24 2015 06:24 Xatalos wrote:
Seriously rayn, you hosted the game where he was scum and only trolled all game. You even talked to me on Skype how he didn't really play at all. Here his effort level was like 20-30x higher, yet you are mad about it. Following your logic, half of the players in this game are useless trolls, since he put in more effort than most. Especially Onegu/Hopeless/gumshoe.


Bro I've put way more effort into this game than you and def more than slam and thats Besides the fact that I wasn't pushing for a retarded lynch like half of town.

I've provided plenty of solid reasons all throughout day 1 for why I deemed gb, rayn and slam town. I scum read you initially and then realized I was flat out wrong before my idiocy impacted the lynch (something you could learn from).

Worst thing is, now you fucking group me with the people I wanted gone? That is total bullshit.

apologize to gumshoe + Lynch yamato/hopeless day 2= eat crow and profit.


What could I learn from? I was right.

But I agree that you have actually posted some stuff in this game. Although it's mostly been about policy lynching lurkers.

Maybe I should take a small break now. I don't usually get invested enough in games to insult people.


your wrong about Rayn / : if things had gone your way it would have been just as bad, only slam wouldnt have started crying green tears like Rayn.

Also scum have a harder time just talking than town / : whats wrong with looking at lurkers who have shit reads on top of being lurkers?


Well, we'll see. I won't say that there couldn't be scum among the lurkers.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 22:25 GMT
#1432
I still think Vivax is town. He didn't do much later on in the day, but he was still constantly involved and talking. What I've seen of scum Vivax is total apathy towards the thread.

I guess marv has to be town since he doesn't even play as scum anymore (it's a pretty sad reason, but it is what it is).

Blazinghand I still think is town. He was active around the deadline and trying shenanigans, even if scum should have been content with the way things were going.

gusmhoe is... town? It's not completely certain, but I think this is the best performance I've ever seen out of him. It would be nice to see more detailed analysis by someone who knows his "active" meta.

GlowingBear could be town. I liked some of the things he did later on D1. I think his alignment is rather strongly tied with rayn's. If rayn is scum, he's almost certainly not scum. If rayn is town, he has a decent chance of being scum. Especially considering his switch to rayn when things got heated at the end. Hard to see him doing that as scum with rayn.

Hopeless is... what? No idea. Some people said he was sure town, but it's hard to believe that without any evidence. Null.

rayn is probably scum. At least I really hope so. His play in this game has been focused on trying to push forward mislynches (me + Slam for certain, plus others with varying probability), OMGUS and unnatural read progression (not dependent on game events, but rather what's convenient for survival/mislynches).

Onegu is ?

Chromatically could well be scum. Like someone said, he's been kind of mechanical and detached. There's no... real thread presence. Just posting some stuff from time to time.

ritoky is town? It felt like he kind of disappeared later on. At least his initial posts were nice.. Hopefully he'll come back in force. If not, I'll reconsider.

Dunno about yamato yet. Many people seem to consider him obvtown, but I haven't yet seen anything definitely townie. He's been this inactive as both town/scum in my experience, and usually he's only more active as town. Maybe he will make a grand entrance at some point.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 22:28 GMT
#1433
On October 24 2015 07:11 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:
On October 24 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
Also I deduced why Gb is town, I meta read rayn, I gut read slam, worked through some suspicions with Bh, didnt tinfoil against marv, accused Yamato of making a mafia play based off forbidden knowledge, went back and forth on chrom and you and ritoky. I've done tons of thinking and posting and you boiling it down to me accusing lurkers is super shitty

I hope you die tonight. And I dont mean in the game.


...... Okay. But that's really what it boils down to, since the other stuff didn't have much impact during the day. At most it gathered responses like "scum post" or "useless wall of text" (not by me, mind you).


I have no power over how people chose to take what I've said. But I have been trying, and you of all people who have been harping about my lurker meta should appreciate that as opposed to taking low blows against me.

I will be back later with ANOTHER case against hopeless and Yamato. Others can feel free to call them lurker tunneling or shitty wot's if that makes them feel better. Cause you know who gets called a shitposter by everyone till thier blue in the face? The guy whose onto scum : D but isnt good enough to convince town to listen to him ) that or just a shitty player). Regardless I will continue to push the people I think are scum. Not the small horde of poor bastards town will likely go through in the days to come if they all act like you.


Well, sorry about the "low blow", but I think it was lower to hope that I would die IRL. Regardless, keep at it. It was a mistake to lump you with Onegu/Hopeless, I admit it. It's better if you keep trying rather than dive into lurkerland.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 22:45 GMT
#1434
It's also a great misrepresentation to say that Slam was trolling this game. I think there were many insights of value from him. All the better since he's confirmed town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 23:37 GMT
#1447
What the heck is that post by Coagulation :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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