EPT[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience - Page 126
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On October 27 2015 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: or like why do you think he is scum never seen him serious, deviation from standard play + has pretty much had opposing reads to me most of the game + constant scum read on me tldr omgus, disagree, different playstyle | ||
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ritoky
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I guess i need to get back to it when i wake up, it's 2am, i gotta go to bed. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Gn yall, gl. Bh ritoky Rayn probally chrom and maybe xat (I still think his sheer activity disqualifies him as scum, but he might be playing a holyflare level game, dont think it's likely though) are the only people I really consider full town atm. No one else deserves a pass and should be cast under a lens. Back to the drawing board T_T | ||
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gumshoe
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Gumshoe, are you Edatlin?? | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On October 27 2015 08:55 ritoky wrote: that's pretty much my town read on him + he had some similar thoughts to me on day 1. but the constant rage over non-issues and then that post you made about him being all aboard you and suddenly open to a wealth of options without talking about it much plus him not doing shennanies has cast some doubt on him for me. Just going off filter length, Xatalos has 28 pages of filter in this game so far, and his longest mafia filter is 15 pages (he did get up to 38 after 7 days as an SK-type thing but that's pretty different). Honestly that's pretty convincing just on it's own for me. Plus, he's one of the people most interested in and trying to figure out the game in my opinion (N1 he was discussing that the whole time and really putting his thoughts in the thread, I thought it was very town). I think there's almost no way Xatalos is mafia this game, despite the fact that I think he's been wrong. I would be very very surprised if the mafia team isn't exactly GB + Onegu + Hopeless. That's both by PoE and by scumminess in thread. My list looks like: ritoky gumshoe Xatalos BH (almost certainly town) rayn Vivax (very likely town) Hopeless Onegu GB (mafia) The gap between the top two groups is much much smaller than the gap to the bottom group I really liked some of the stuff that BH posted near the end of deadline (good thoughts about GB and yamato, and his analysis makes it clear that he's actively trying to solve the game with a townie thought process). In addition, his shennanies make it very hard to put him on a team with either GB or Onegu, and I don't think there's any way both of them can be town. Both rayn and Vivax can basically only be mafia if GB isn't, which I think is highly unlikely of course. The fact that rayn came back after leaving and pushed GB with good points is very townie, in addition to the fact that I really liked his snarky comments around the lynch and his frustration seems genuine (at Xatalos/Slam). And he's been active in figuring out the game since he came back. The only thing I don't like about Vivax is the fact that his read on me doesn't seem to have evolved at all since D1, even though I think I've been playing way differently (he still thinks I have low thread interaction? my posting has not been "mechanical" at all today, why is he confused by my insistence on GB). But he's also been posting a lot of townie thoughts and has been active in figuring stuff out, so he's still probably town. By the way, I don't think not shenannying to GB is a sign of mafia at all. I think my logic was correct that flipping two players at the same time was a bad idea here, and the players who could have switched didn't have a lot of time to think about it and make a decision anyway, if they were even in the thread at the time. So: GlowingBear + Onegu + Hopeless I'll probably post more about all of these this phase (particularly Onegu because I haven't said a lot about him so far). | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On October 27 2015 08:31 ritoky wrote: assuming you're town. i think independently GB is the most mafia and hopeless hasn't given me any reason to believe he is town. assuming i am right on GB i think 1 of gumdrop, vivax, and xata is mafia. of those 3 i think vivax has reasoning to not shennanie cuz of what i did to him in a past game (could be using it to his adv) and gumdrop is the most town of the 3. so that leaves xata. onegu is an engima to me so i have no idea whatsoever. so independent i would say something like GB, hopeless, onegu. if gb is mafia then sub out onegu or hopeless for xata or maybe vivax. Why sub out Onegu/Hopeless if GB is mafia? Do you see an association there? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
People are saying GB/Hopeless/Onegu. When I've said since day1 that hopeless and Onegu would be better lynched. Especially Onegu. Impressive | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 27 2015 11:43 Chromatically wrote: Hmm that's true actually, you talked about them a lot (although you didn't push them for lynch). Maybe that's not the exact team then. It's too early to be thinking about associations that hard though, I'll look more in depth on those when we have a mafia flip. You should also realise that if I am mafia and I know yamato is town it's way easier for me to place my vote on him than going against Rayn. And I kept saying that I thought there were better lynches. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 27 2015 11:43 Chromatically wrote: Hmm that's true actually, you talked about them a lot (although you didn't push them for lynch). Maybe that's not the exact team then. It's too early to be thinking about associations that hard though, I'll look more in depth on those when we have a mafia flip. Also, I don't know why you wouldn't take a look more in depth now instead of waiting for a flip. You think they are mafia because...? Just unflipped association? | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
I think they're mafia because they've done mafia things. I've talked about it a bit already, and I said I would probably elaborate this phase. It's not worth it wasting time with unflipped associations with you to clear them when I don't know for certain that you're mafia. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
You're specifically trying to avoid doing "mafia things" the whole game, so it's super easy to say "hey look at this mafia thing I didn't do, I totally would have done that as mafia!" | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 27 2015 12:03 Chromatically wrote: The "mafia would have done this" kind of arguments are usually unconvincing because that's exactly what you're thinking about as mafia. You're specifically trying to avoid doing "mafia things" the whole game, so it's super easy to say "hey look at this mafia thing I didn't do, I totally would have done that as mafia!" OR I'm town. If you think Onegu and Hopeless are mafia for their own reasons, why dismissing investigating them, but only doing it when you have a flip? It doesn't make sense. You either have a scum read them or not. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On October 27 2015 12:00 Chromatically wrote: If you're mafia, there's a whole bunch of reasons to move to rayn. You're not on the wagon that's about to flip town so you don't come under suspicion for just sheeping the biggest wagon. You get to say that you were active in the lynch and had an opinion. You get to make the argument that you're making right now about how mafia would never have moved to rayn. I think they're mafia because they've done mafia things. I've talked about it a bit already, and I said I would probably elaborate this phase. It's not worth it wasting time with unflipped associations with you to clear them when I don't know for certain that you're mafia. I'm dismissing investigating them? Okay. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 27 2015 11:43 Chromatically wrote: Hmm that's true actually, you talked about them a lot (although you didn't push them for lynch). Maybe that's not the exact team then. It's too early to be thinking about associations that hard though, I'll look more in depth on those when we have a mafia flip. Are you going to investigate those right away or only when we have a mafia flip? | ||
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