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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 26 2015 23:56 GMT
#2501
What is your case on Onegu to be exact?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 26 2015 23:57 GMT
#2502
or like why do you think he is scum
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 27 2015 00:01 GMT
#2503
On October 27 2015 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
or like why do you think he is scum


never seen him serious, deviation from standard play + has pretty much had opposing reads to me most of the game + constant scum read on me

tldr omgus, disagree, different playstyle
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 27 2015 00:04 GMT
#2504
and poe, but i figure you got that from the poe list before.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 27 2015 00:10 GMT
#2505
meh.. i liked his reads on N1 end.
I guess i need to get back to it when i wake up, it's 2am, i gotta go to bed.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 27 2015 00:13 GMT
#2506
cya, i got work in 45 anywayz
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 27 2015 00:36 GMT
#2507
I am pretty upset yam wasn't scum T_T Everyone I told to shutup day 2 deserves fair consideration now. Before night 2 ends im going to look at every major case in this thread as objectively as I can and try to come with which is best. I doubt I'll be shot though given this shitty flip.

Gn yall, gl.

Bh
ritoky
Rayn
probally chrom and maybe xat (I still think his sheer activity disqualifies him as scum, but he might be playing a holyflare level game, dont think it's likely though) are the only people I really consider full town atm. No one else deserves a pass and should be cast under a lens.

Back to the drawing board T_T
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 27 2015 00:37 GMT
#2508
I feel like my huge fuck up has brought rayn back to sanity, so there's that to be grateful for at least.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 27 2015 02:31 GMT
#2509
I'm here.

Gumshoe, are you Edatlin??
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 27 2015 02:32 GMT
#2510
On October 27 2015 08:55 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2015 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay to be real the only reason i think Xatalos is town is because he has like 2390478 pages of filter.
His filter is shit though.


that's pretty much my town read on him + he had some similar thoughts to me on day 1. but the constant rage over non-issues and then that post you made about him being all aboard you and suddenly open to a wealth of options without talking about it much plus him not doing shennanies has cast some doubt on him for me.

Just going off filter length, Xatalos has 28 pages of filter in this game so far, and his longest mafia filter is 15 pages (he did get up to 38 after 7 days as an SK-type thing but that's pretty different). Honestly that's pretty convincing just on it's own for me. Plus, he's one of the people most interested in and trying to figure out the game in my opinion (N1 he was discussing that the whole time and really putting his thoughts in the thread, I thought it was very town). I think there's almost no way Xatalos is mafia this game, despite the fact that I think he's been wrong.

I would be very very surprised if the mafia team isn't exactly GB + Onegu + Hopeless. That's both by PoE and by scumminess in thread. My list looks like:

ritoky
gumshoe
Xatalos
BH
(almost certainly town)

rayn
Vivax
(very likely town)

Hopeless
Onegu
GB
(mafia)

The gap between the top two groups is much much smaller than the gap to the bottom group

I really liked some of the stuff that BH posted near the end of deadline (good thoughts about GB and yamato, and his analysis makes it clear that he's actively trying to solve the game with a townie thought process). In addition, his shennanies make it very hard to put him on a team with either GB or Onegu, and I don't think there's any way both of them can be town.

Both rayn and Vivax can basically only be mafia if GB isn't, which I think is highly unlikely of course. The fact that rayn came back after leaving and pushed GB with good points is very townie, in addition to the fact that I really liked his snarky comments around the lynch and his frustration seems genuine (at Xatalos/Slam). And he's been active in figuring out the game since he came back.

The only thing I don't like about Vivax is the fact that his read on me doesn't seem to have evolved at all since D1, even though I think I've been playing way differently (he still thinks I have low thread interaction? my posting has not been "mechanical" at all today, why is he confused by my insistence on GB). But he's also been posting a lot of townie thoughts and has been active in figuring stuff out, so he's still probably town.

By the way, I don't think not shenannying to GB is a sign of mafia at all. I think my logic was correct that flipping two players at the same time was a bad idea here, and the players who could have switched didn't have a lot of time to think about it and make a decision anyway, if they were even in the thread at the time.

So: GlowingBear + Onegu + Hopeless


I'll probably post more about all of these this phase (particularly Onegu because I haven't said a lot about him so far).
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 27 2015 02:33 GMT
#2511
On October 27 2015 08:31 ritoky wrote:
assuming you're town.

i think independently GB is the most mafia and hopeless hasn't given me any reason to believe he is town.

assuming i am right on GB i think 1 of gumdrop, vivax, and xata is mafia. of those 3 i think vivax has reasoning to not shennanie cuz of what i did to him in a past game (could be using it to his adv) and gumdrop is the most town of the 3. so that leaves xata.

onegu is an engima to me so i have no idea whatsoever.

so independent i would say something like GB, hopeless, onegu.

if gb is mafia then sub out onegu or hopeless for xata or maybe vivax.

Why sub out Onegu/Hopeless if GB is mafia? Do you see an association there?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 27 2015 02:36 GMT
#2512
Wow.

People are saying GB/Hopeless/Onegu.

When I've said since day1 that hopeless and Onegu would be better lynched. Especially Onegu.

Impressive
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 27 2015 02:43 GMT
#2513
Hmm that's true actually, you talked about them a lot (although you didn't push them for lynch). Maybe that's not the exact team then. It's too early to be thinking about associations that hard though, I'll look more in depth on those when we have a mafia flip.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 27 2015 02:50 GMT
#2514
On October 27 2015 11:43 Chromatically wrote:
Hmm that's true actually, you talked about them a lot (although you didn't push them for lynch). Maybe that's not the exact team then. It's too early to be thinking about associations that hard though, I'll look more in depth on those when we have a mafia flip.


You should also realise that if I am mafia and I know yamato is town it's way easier for me to place my vote on him than going against Rayn.

And I kept saying that I thought there were better lynches.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 27 2015 02:52 GMT
#2515
On October 27 2015 11:43 Chromatically wrote:
Hmm that's true actually, you talked about them a lot (although you didn't push them for lynch). Maybe that's not the exact team then. It's too early to be thinking about associations that hard though, I'll look more in depth on those when we have a mafia flip.


Also, I don't know why you wouldn't take a look more in depth now instead of waiting for a flip.

You think they are mafia because...? Just unflipped association?
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 27 2015 03:00 GMT
#2516
If you're mafia, there's a whole bunch of reasons to move to rayn. You're not on the wagon that's about to flip town so you don't come under suspicion for just sheeping the biggest wagon. You get to say that you were active in the lynch and had an opinion. You get to make the argument that you're making right now about how mafia would never have moved to rayn.

I think they're mafia because they've done mafia things. I've talked about it a bit already, and I said I would probably elaborate this phase. It's not worth it wasting time with unflipped associations with you to clear them when I don't know for certain that you're mafia.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 27 2015 03:03 GMT
#2517
The "mafia would have done this" kind of arguments are usually unconvincing because that's exactly what you're thinking about as mafia.

You're specifically trying to avoid doing "mafia things" the whole game, so it's super easy to say "hey look at this mafia thing I didn't do, I totally would have done that as mafia!"
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 27 2015 03:09 GMT
#2518
On October 27 2015 12:03 Chromatically wrote:
The "mafia would have done this" kind of arguments are usually unconvincing because that's exactly what you're thinking about as mafia.

You're specifically trying to avoid doing "mafia things" the whole game, so it's super easy to say "hey look at this mafia thing I didn't do, I totally would have done that as mafia!"


OR

I'm town.

If you think Onegu and Hopeless are mafia for their own reasons, why dismissing investigating them, but only doing it when you have a flip? It doesn't make sense. You either have a scum read them or not.
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 27 2015 03:14 GMT
#2519
On October 27 2015 12:00 Chromatically wrote:
If you're mafia, there's a whole bunch of reasons to move to rayn. You're not on the wagon that's about to flip town so you don't come under suspicion for just sheeping the biggest wagon. You get to say that you were active in the lynch and had an opinion. You get to make the argument that you're making right now about how mafia would never have moved to rayn.

I think they're mafia because they've done mafia things. I've talked about it a bit already, and I said I would probably elaborate this phase. It's not worth it wasting time with unflipped associations with you to clear them when I don't know for certain that you're mafia.

I'm dismissing investigating them? Okay.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 27 2015 03:15 GMT
#2520
On October 27 2015 11:43 Chromatically wrote:
Hmm that's true actually, you talked about them a lot (although you didn't push them for lynch). Maybe that's not the exact team then. It's too early to be thinking about associations that hard though, I'll look more in depth on those when we have a mafia flip.


Are you going to investigate those right away or only when we have a mafia flip?
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