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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 05:00 ritoky wrote:
some concerns: people very content, appeal to emotion post (i am sucker for them), why onegu + gb are wagons...makes no sense should be gb + hopeless
yay: i wanna be right, i think he's mafia, chroma super town thinks mafia, most likely dunks xata
what's wrong with lynching 1gu btw?
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 05:07 ritoky wrote:
i think he is town. have said it multiple times. believe even explained it to you before lol. i just don't see every dead player being wrong about his alignment, and then onegu killing every single person in support of him. doesn't seem like the play. plus those dead people have better reads on him than me and i trust them.
plus i have heard no case for why onegu has been ACTIVELY scummy. most of it is PoE/activity based, and by that metric the lynch should be hopeless by a mile.
ok this is a fair point about active scumminess. now, although i was WRONG about yam, i did make this point earlier:
On October 27 2015 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 05:55 Chromatically wrote:
I agree with a lot of that post, BH. But honestly I would argue that our biggest threat to our ability to win is lynching mafia, not lynching people who don't play the game. Lurkers are really bad for town in this setup, but I think we have to consider if lynching a lurker is our best chance of hitting mafia. I don't think it is right now, but clearly many disagree. Ok, I totally get what you're getting at here. there's an argument to be made, and it is a totally reasonable one, that perhaps all lurkers are town and all active players are mafia, and we should lynch into the most suspicious active players. And in a sense, I think that is not 100% wrong. For example; I think rayn needed an extension and some time to sort out his rage and unwillingness to play. But there are what, 4 lurkers here out of 11 players? It's almost certain that there's at least one mafia in the lurk group, and there are ones like Hopeless1 and Yamato who are literally playing just enough to not ge tmodkilled (remember, this game has no activity requirement). If I were scum this game, I'd just never post and it would be easy. In fact, I feel really certain at least one scum, or maybe all scum, are doing this. And why not? There's a vocal contingent of people (including the lurkers themselves) who do not want to lynch into lurkers We have to think smarter. Normally, lurkers are handled by modkills for failure to meet posting requirements, or cops, or vigilantes, or at the very least some blues make it to LYLO and claim and we have a narrow lynch pool. We have none of those tools this game. People are abusing the ability to lurk, and sure, ti sounds like they have reasons, but there's no reason scum can't just fake reasons. As scum, I would. We need to solve this problem ourselves. We obviously can't lynch every lurker, since doing so is the same as guessing all scum are lurkers (if 2-3 of them are town, we'll run out of lynches and lose probably first). But we can lynch the worst lurker or two, the ones we'll never get a read on, and I'm gambling on one of them being scum. Obviously none of these guys are gonna shot if they're town. What will you do in LYLO when it's all lurkers and scum, or all lurking scum we're refusing ot lynch? We can't have that. Gb will always LOOK worse than Yam because there's a filter to look at. He could have eaisly chosen to never post and he'd be just like Yam, protected by "well, we can't just lynch lurkers, or we'd lose". GB CHOSE TO PLAY. He chose to play the damn game, to try to solve things, even if he's super wrong and dumb, and MAKING THAT CHOICE, that's a town thing. If he's scum, he didn't have to post SHIT. He just had to let the thread implode. He stepped up! HE STEPPED UP. Don't punish that.
and if we're talking about scum hunting, it's worth noting that someone who literally never posts (as onegu almost does) will post fewer scummy things than a more active scum player (like GB) REGARDLESS because onegu is physically making fewer posts
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Blazinghand
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i'm pretty sure we're just arguing about which of two scum to lynch first so i can't really bring myself to care about this argument, but ritoky I will reread onegu since you insist, and if I were in your position I'd want "sure" people to reread the stuff about the guy I'm TRing. I gotta grab dinner real quick but I'll have an answer for you at least half an hour before deadline
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 05:19 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote:
i'm pretty sure we're just arguing about which of two scum to lynch first so i can't really bring myself to care about this argument, but ritoky I will reread onegu since you insist, and if I were in your position I'd want "sure" people to reread the stuff about the guy I'm TRing. I gotta grab dinner real quick but I'll have an answer for you at least half an hour before deadline you should care, if gb flips town for some dumb reason, then you me or xata die, well have 3 scum plus ritoky vs 3 town and onegu might not get lynched till lylo or something equally disturbing. Hm... Magic words? ##Call BH to shenanigans on Onegu 
I can't actually shennanigan onto onegu, I deeply apologize
It is up to you to figure out why this is the case
I believe in you Xat
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 05:35 gumshoe wrote:
Like, ritoky how can you not see that 1gu might have shot rayn to bring you over to his side when you literally have gone over to his side because he shot rayn?
I laughed out loud at this. This was pretty great
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Blazinghand
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So like it's 9000% clear H1 isn't getting lynched today. why isn't 1G voting GB? Like even out of self-preservation you'd expect him to as scum. actually, they're probably both scum then
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Blazinghand
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Oh chill out GB I'm not voting you, we'll take care of you tomorrow. plus "two main wagons" doesn't mean "both can't be scum" but that's a nice try buster
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Blazinghand
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Oh, looks like we're lynching you first instead.
In any case Onegu coming back and hammering would be hilarious but also surprising given the level of effort that dude has put in and the fact that you're probably both scum together
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Blazinghand
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1G/H1/GB scumteam fits all evidence
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 06:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh chill out GB I'm not voting you, we'll take care of you tomorrow. plus "two main wagons" doesn't mean "both can't be scum" but that's a nice try buster I'm okay BH  but I'm dead today. Yes it means both can't be scum. Tell me. If you have two scum buddies up for the lynch, you wouldn't try to derail town to a mislynch? I would NEVER be quiet. And this day was too quiet with these two wagons. Which means both can't be scum. PLUS I am proposing a lynch on Onegu since day1. This simply reinforces that we aren't on a team together.
Well obviously if *I*, BLAZINGHAND, had two scum buddies up for a lynch, I'd raise a huge shitstorm, but do you think H1 and 1G are the kind of players who are raising shitstorms this game? ಠ_ಠ
In any case if you want I'll say a piece on your behalf to whoever's voting you right now since I think we should lynch 1G first
the speech is the same as the one I made in defense of you against Yam:
On October 27 2015 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 05:55 Chromatically wrote:
I agree with a lot of that post, BH. But honestly I would argue that our biggest threat to our ability to win is lynching mafia, not lynching people who don't play the game. Lurkers are really bad for town in this setup, but I think we have to consider if lynching a lurker is our best chance of hitting mafia. I don't think it is right now, but clearly many disagree. Ok, I totally get what you're getting at here. there's an argument to be made, and it is a totally reasonable one, that perhaps all lurkers are town and all active players are mafia, and we should lynch into the most suspicious active players. And in a sense, I think that is not 100% wrong. For example; I think rayn needed an extension and some time to sort out his rage and unwillingness to play. But there are what, 4 lurkers here out of 11 players? It's almost certain that there's at least one mafia in the lurk group, and there are ones like Hopeless1 and Yamato who are literally playing just enough to not ge tmodkilled (remember, this game has no activity requirement). If I were scum this game, I'd just never post and it would be easy. In fact, I feel really certain at least one scum, or maybe all scum, are doing this. And why not? There's a vocal contingent of people (including the lurkers themselves) who do not want to lynch into lurkers We have to think smarter. Normally, lurkers are handled by modkills for failure to meet posting requirements, or cops, or vigilantes, or at the very least some blues make it to LYLO and claim and we have a narrow lynch pool. We have none of those tools this game. People are abusing the ability to lurk, and sure, ti sounds like they have reasons, but there's no reason scum can't just fake reasons. As scum, I would. We need to solve this problem ourselves. We obviously can't lynch every lurker, since doing so is the same as guessing all scum are lurkers (if 2-3 of them are town, we'll run out of lynches and lose probably first). But we can lynch the worst lurker or two, the ones we'll never get a read on, and I'm gambling on one of them being scum. Obviously none of these guys are gonna shot if they're town. What will you do in LYLO when it's all lurkers and scum, or all lurking scum we're refusing ot lynch? We can't have that. Gb will always LOOK worse than Yam because there's a filter to look at. He could have eaisly chosen to never post and he'd be just like Yam, protected by "well, we can't just lynch lurkers, or we'd lose". GB CHOSE TO PLAY. He chose to play the damn game, to try to solve things, even if he's super wrong and dumb, and MAKING THAT CHOICE, that's a town thing. If he's scum, he didn't have to post SHIT. He just had to let the thread implode. He stepped up! HE STEPPED UP. Don't punish that.
It still applies. Doesn't make you town; but it still applies. This is why we lynch 1G first
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.
haha what?? are you serious
gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him?
not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 06:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito I will write it now. It will have a big sign written PLEASE READ. That's the only post I need you to read from me. Please promise you'll read.
sure
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 06:14 ritoky wrote:
how yolo do i feel?
let's hold it together man we got two wagons on two scum I think all we need to do is not fuck this up ye?
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.
onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu
gb/x/x most likely if gb.
there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3?
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Blazinghand
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And you know what? fuck scumteams, let's just lynch the scummiest players. That's the simplest and most likely to work strat.
On October 30 2015 06:17 gumshoe wrote:I was wrong yesterday ) : so today's choice is yours, but TRY to make sense of what hopeless is doing is hes scum, it doesn't unless hes trying to protect 1gu / : maybe it doesnt matter and 1gu and gb are both scum, but based of hopeless's actions we should definitely be voting onegu.
I mean, maybe, right? But I don't want to draw associative tells right now. Analyzing H1's actions, or things like the NK, imo, just lead us astray. If we lynch into H1/1G/GB we're gonna be fine. It's a classic mistake in situations like this to overthink things, screw up, and end up aimless and lost or lynch a bunch of townies or something. Like, I REALLY htink we can afford to NOT lynch these guys
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On October 30 2015 06:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.
onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu
gb/x/x most likely if gb. there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3? with GB? at least 1 of xata/gumdrop/vivax...maybe 2 of them? dunno. not me, can't be chroma, wouldn't be onegu/hopeless....can't really be BH cuz tried to shennanie GB. so yeah if GB then 2 of gumdrop/xata/vivax.
Vivax I could see, maybe, but Gumdshoe? Xatalos? >.>
In general yeah I'm suspicious of people who didn't shenannie away from yam but i'm way more suspicoius of 1G and H1 for not playing the game
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 06:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.
onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu
gb/x/x most likely if gb. there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3? with GB? at least 1 of xata/gumdrop/vivax...maybe 2 of them? dunno. not me, can't be chroma, wouldn't be onegu/hopeless....can't really be BH cuz tried to shennanie GB. so yeah if GB then 2 of gumdrop/xata/vivax.
also why would this cause you to shenannie away from GB/1G/H1. you must think there is scum in there right
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On October 30 2015 06:24 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:17 GlowingBear wrote:
ritoky, trust me: vote onegu.
Trust me once. who's the sneakster mafia?
vote 1G if you want but don't trust GB, he and 1G are both scum
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 06:25 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote:
i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia.
onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu
gb/x/x most likely if gb. there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3? from ritokys perspective, it would have to be xata vivax, cmon ritoky, why isnt hopeless voting onegu? If hopeless is the only scum between them, why not look more consistent and vote for the guy whose trying to kill you instead of doubling back on a guy you were null at best on, and town read at several points in the game? If hopeless is scum with gb, why vote him when he can just vote for onegu? the guy trying to kill him? In fact, why draw attention to himself with such a shitty vote for no reason?(might have resulted in his own lynch)? The only way hopeless DOESNT vote for onegu, and compromises himself in such a fashion is to protect his scum buddy, who has been bussing hopeless all this time to create some distanceIf hopeless is town, then hope is actually lost, and hes also insane for not voting onegu ) : cmon ritoky, yah got dis
It's also worth noting that Onegu is currently trashing his vote by voting a non-wagon
honestly the level of play of these guys is so bad, we just need to get rid of them
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