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That actually makes me believe you're town. You wouldn't go that far.
... would you?
ARE YOU CROSSING YOUR FINGERS NOW?
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On October 31 2015 03:25 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On October 31 2015 01:45 Chromatically wrote:On October 31 2015 00:28 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 22:11 Chromatically wrote:
Here's something I just thought of:
You're GB and you're town. You KNOW 100% that the wagons were mafia-town, and the vote went through 5-4. Here are the votes against you:
Onegu (confirmed mafia)
Chromatically (your townread who's been pushing you)
Vivax (your #1 scumread all game)
Hopeless (complete lurker you've been calling scum all game)
So... a Vivax-Hopeless team should be pretty obvious from a town GB perspective, right? Instead, GB is assuming that Onegu was a complete bus from both mafia (who didn't hammer GB for some reason?), when he logically should see that all the scummiest people in the game (from his perspective) were piled on his wagon (who he should know is town). Yeah. And me bussing Onegu since day1, however, is completely okay. This doesn't even have anything to do with what I said! THERE IS NO LOGIC TO GB FLIPPING HIS READS LIKE THIS OUT OF NOWHERE. GB has not been bussing Onegu. He's been throwing suspicion on Onegu and saying he's mafia, but never once has he pushed Onegu to be lynched with any kind of force. He votes yamato over Onegu D2 without pushing Onegu and then switches to rayn? If you were mafia and your team was Onegu/Hopeless, would you really not throw suspicion on them?Here's the kind of stuff he's been saying: On October 23 2015 11:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Onegu (I can never read him and I hated that he said he would sheep me - gives me deja vu from last game where he was mafia against me - him being more invested in this game is usually a bad sign)
On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch.
On October 24 2015 03:08 GlowingBear wrote:
I've said I could lynch Onegu. Yamato is the type of guy that gets afk as both alignments and if he is mafia time can easily tell. On October 26 2015 09:59 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm voting yamato atm but I prefer an onegu lynch better There is absolutely nothing in here that makes a GB-Onegu team unlikely at all. I would argue that the suspicion without pushing it at all makes it more likely. Dude this is exactly why I'm calling gumshoe mafia but he is and I'm not because I ACTUALLY VOTED ONEGU and he only voted when his vote wouldn't take me out of majority. ROFL you people... Are you actually arguing that voting Onegu when he's the other wagon to you makes you town?
Absolutely. Especially when I was wanting to lynch him since day1.
I could just try to kill Vivax instead. Why would I 100% bus Onegu?
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On October 31 2015 03:27 Chromatically wrote:
And I don't think those posts I quoted of you talking about Onegu had you "putting him on the chopping block" at all.
Chrome, those posts are me saying I didn't want to mislynxh confirmed townies to try and lynch confirmed scum.
Are you SERIOUSLY saying I repeatedly said "let's lynch Onegu", "I prefer lynching Onegu", risking having people saying "ok he is bad let's lynch him" over simply letting confirmed townies be mislynched???
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"Let's lynch slam!"
"I can read him better later, it's better to lynch Onegu"
"No let's lynch yamato then!"
"Him also. I'll vote him but seriously, I prefer lynching Onegu".
When I could just
"Oh yeah, slam play makes no sense, let's lynch him Gg"
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On October 31 2015 03:32 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 03:31 GlowingBear wrote:On October 31 2015 03:27 Chromatically wrote:
And I don't think those posts I quoted of you talking about Onegu had you "putting him on the chopping block" at all. Chrome, those posts are me saying I didn't want to mislynxh confirmed townies to try and lynch confirmed scum. Are you SERIOUSLY saying I repeatedly said "let's lynch Onegu", "I prefer lynching Onegu", risking having people saying "ok he is bad let's lynch him" over simply letting confirmed townies be mislynched??? I mean, yes? And if he did get lynched, it's not like Onegu was carrying your team with his amazing thread presence anyways
That's amazing, BH. I can't argue with people when they fit every scenario to fit their scum read instead of having a scum read from objectively reading the most probable scenario.
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Ok I'm gonna ignore BH and Chrome or I'll start punching baby walruses until their deaths.
I'm trusting gumshoe because I actually don't believe someone would say something like "on my parents life" like that. It's. Wow. Yeah.
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You guys are also saying that Onegu, when he can't back, voted on the third scum member of your #dreamteam, saw he was getting lynched anyway then voted me and begged ritiky to vote me instead of just rolling over and dying. Just because, you know, he wanted to survive over his scum partner.
Sigh
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On October 31 2015 03:38 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:
"Let's lynch slam!"
"I can read him better later, it's better to lynch Onegu"
"No let's lynch yamato then!"
"Him also. I'll vote him but seriously, I prefer lynching Onegu".
When I could just
"Oh yeah, slam play makes no sense, let's lynch him Gg" Yes, you saying Onegu should be lynched is never going to get anyone else to vote on him and so isn't actually going to get him lynched at all. As mafia, you'd actually want to do exactly what you did: say that he looks scummy (so you can argue this when he flips) but not actually push to get him lynched.
Repeatedly saying you want to lynch Onegu is me not actually wanting to lynch Onegu.
How do you think I should've pushed Onegu, then? Like my push on Vivax? It surely worked wonders, didn't it?
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On October 31 2015 03:40 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm gonna ignore BH and Chrome or I'll start punching baby walruses until their deaths.
I'm trusting gumshoe because I actually don't believe someone would say something like "on my parents life" like that. It's. Wow. Yeah. When I cant talk it out, I can and will resort to emotional terrorism / : but yeah would only do that as scum if someone put a gun to my head ie "gumshoe is scum cause he hasn't sworn on everything he holds dear yet" in that scenario, what can I do right? But if its of my own volition I'm town every time : P
 let's see in the end of the game.
I'm agnostic but very superstitious. Go figure...
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On October 31 2015 03:52 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 03:43 GlowingBear wrote:On October 31 2015 03:38 Chromatically wrote:On October 31 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:
"Let's lynch slam!"
"I can read him better later, it's better to lynch Onegu"
"No let's lynch yamato then!"
"Him also. I'll vote him but seriously, I prefer lynching Onegu".
When I could just
"Oh yeah, slam play makes no sense, let's lynch him Gg" Yes, you saying Onegu should be lynched is never going to get anyone else to vote on him and so isn't actually going to get him lynched at all. As mafia, you'd actually want to do exactly what you did: say that he looks scummy (so you can argue this when he flips) but not actually push to get him lynched. Repeatedly saying you want to lynch Onegu is me not actually wanting to lynch Onegu. How do you think I should've pushed Onegu, then? Like my push on Vivax? It surely worked wonders, didn't it? No, probably something more like the pushes you make in your town games. Here's an example: Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:.:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else+ Show Spoiler +/*really long nested quote omitted*/ If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscienceOn July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far. considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 19:50 Snickers wrote:
complains about shit play continues shit play This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to+ Show Spoiler +*/ even longer nested quote */ The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTTHE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town
reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC
I had strong reasons to call him mafia in that game. Here, I only had gut feeling on Onegu.
Come on, chrome.
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On October 31 2015 04:05 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 03:40 GlowingBear wrote:
You guys are also saying that Onegu, when he can't back, voted on the third scum member of your #dreamteam, saw he was getting lynched anyway then voted me and begged ritiky to vote me instead of just rolling over and dying. Just because, you know, he wanted to survive over his scum partner.
Sigh Onegu was hilariously ineffective, and suspiciously kept his vote OFF of you until he was sure it wouldn't make a difference. seems straightforwards to me
Question: why?
And that's not true. IMO he voted off because he thought people would say "oh he isn't trying to survive" but when he saw it didn't work he voted me and begged for ritoky
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I don't thibk hopeless is mafia...
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On November 01 2015 02:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
Be honest, is there really a possibility that at I could convince everyone that I was town?
Well, I'm drunk
And my drunk senses are pointing out that you're town. So there's that
My drunk senses also strongly suggests Vivax is mafia with BH. #drunkbear
Bye
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After I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.
Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).
If you trust gumshoe's appeal to me, he is town. If not, he is always mafia with Onegu. I trust it. I don't think someone can get that low and swear on the life of others and be lying. Really, this is my reason to town read him.
After I die, kill Vivax. Then think twice about BH. I'm town. If I die today, will you reach MYLO? If yes, kill Vivax. If no, get rid of hopeless so you guys can clear your heads.
Read the latest student mafia so you can see I can be this burned out as town. I was town there.
I will vote Vivax because he keeps saying he is ready to in scum read me and was going against gumshoe automatically after I've brought that case. There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all.
##Vote: Vivax
Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this?
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On November 02 2015 00:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this?
Yes you're also mafia for what 2-3 NKd dudes said. For your freaky read on me on D1, which you told marv and others was so bad you couldn't be mafia cause 2bad4scum. And this too, at that given time: Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote:
I can sum up GB like this: Spends like a page of filter talking about me, the argument switch thingy,
then moans and bitches about Onegu not being scumread over him,
some emotional outburst here and there,
after bitching about Onegu he pops a vote on BH for reasons I don't really understand (then BH comes in and is BFF with GB no questions asked but whatever, that's a thing apart),
then he suddenly feels enlightened and makes public he was doing a shitty push after asking some really weird questions I don't understand the point of up to this point,
and then unvotes and kinda afks. Then you tried to capitalize on town short term memory as you do today when you only post shortly before lynch, throwing a tantrum and trying to show effort last minute.
I've never said I've done a shitty push. I think my push was great. Other people thought my push was horrible so I just had to roll with it.
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On November 02 2015 02:45 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:40 Vivax wrote:On November 02 2015 02:37 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:32 Vivax wrote:On November 02 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them? dont even try this shit. I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained. It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that. You've been trying to find dirt on bh all game. It's not happening, it's not gonna work, stahp. It's only dirt cause you like to think it is, but it's just me observing that he doesn't have a preference on GB hopeless and I want him to have one and am working for it and you put things into my mouth saying I want to "throw dirt" at him. What scum needs to do in this spot: Find a way to save self, or buddy, how to do that, mislynch a townie other than gb. gb is just asking us to take him seriously when hes dead, you on the other hand are actively asserting that "theres a townie riding lynch cred" "bh, was up with your scuminess bro?" "chrom is still scum probally" You both are putting effort into this game but only one of has a chance to win as scum / : if I see you taking actions that specifically fit the one scum agenda that sees you winning, you can be sure that'll come off as shady to me, beyond just Trust me, when I put something into your mouth, you'll know.
ROFLMFAO
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On November 02 2015 02:45 Vivax wrote:
Like GB could be here discussing things right this very moment but he isn't cause he's probably loading his shotgun of feels and townie rainbows for the final hour again.
What else you want me to discuss, Viv? You want me repeat that the case on me is wrong because meta is bad? Or that I think you're mafia because of tone read and that you repeatedly said you were ready to un scum read me and to sheep my case, then suddenly you town read gum shoe again without interacting with him and there I am again on the chopping block for you?
Do you want me to discuss BH? That I think he is too certain on a team that should look impossible? That he has being wishy washy on me day1 and day2, townreading ME from time to time then suddenly I'm 100% scum?
Do you want me to say again I think chrome is town for effort and gumshoe is town because I don't think he would act so low?
That hopeless could be town especially when Onegu tried to divert the wagon to him?
What else do you want?
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On November 02 2015 03:01 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
After I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.
Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).
If you trust gumshoe's appeal to me, he is town. If not, he is always mafia with Onegu. I trust it. I don't think someone can get that low and swear on the life of others and be lying. Really, this is my reason to town read him.
After I die, kill Vivax. Then think twice about BH. I'm town. If I die today, will you reach MYLO? If yes, kill Vivax. If no, get rid of hopeless so you guys can clear your heads.
Read the latest student mafia so you can see I can be this burned out as town. I was town there.
I will vote Vivax because he keeps saying he is ready to in scum read me and was going against gumshoe automatically after I've brought that case. There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all.
##Vote: Vivax
Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this? What does the underlined mean here?
Hopeless is always a question mark. If you can afford a second mislynch (after I die), go for hopeless. If not, then go for Vivax which I think is way scummier.
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On November 02 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:On November 02 2015 03:01 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
After I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.
Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).
If you trust gumshoe's appeal to me, he is town. If not, he is always mafia with Onegu. I trust it. I don't think someone can get that low and swear on the life of others and be lying. Really, this is my reason to town read him.
After I die, kill Vivax. Then think twice about BH. I'm town. If I die today, will you reach MYLO? If yes, kill Vivax. If no, get rid of hopeless so you guys can clear your heads.
Read the latest student mafia so you can see I can be this burned out as town. I was town there.
I will vote Vivax because he keeps saying he is ready to in scum read me and was going against gumshoe automatically after I've brought that case. There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all.
##Vote: Vivax
Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this? What does the underlined mean here? Hopeless is always a question mark. If you can afford a second mislynch (after I die), go for hopeless. If not, then go for Vivax which I think is way scummier. Wtf is that weird conditional? If you're town and die, tomorrow it's lylo right? So you should only be considering one scenario.
I don't know if tomorroe is LYLO, I'm too lazy to do maths.
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