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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 02:46 GMT
#2749
There have been so so many people soft deflecting off of GB though. Most frustrating thing in the world

Vivax
Xatalos
gumshoe
BH

all opposed GB lynch yesterday but thought he was scummy (except gumshoe I guess), and that's literally every townie person in the game except for you and me.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 02:48 GMT
#2750
Actually gumshoe has been deflecting GB diamond-hard for a while now so it doesn't surprise me at all that he'd rather not lynch him here. He made a whole anti-case on him being town and stuff even.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 02:57 GMT
#2754
Understand why gumshoe's read? Like I could theoretically see how the reasoning could make sense to someone but it was really weak. I feel like it's the kind of thing gumshoe would think as town though.

He's felt so town the whole game and he's put a lot of effort in too though his reasoning has been super weak. Maybe I'm underestimating him hard though. I guess I should check his meta to see what his top-level scum game looks like, and see if he could play at this level as scum?

I SHOULD check everyone's meta really but I don't have time for that at all.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 03:01 GMT
#2755
On October 28 2015 11:51 ritoky wrote:
i really have SERIOUS doubts that onegu is mafia. they started when i began to come around on rayn after talks last night.

hopeless is basically a coinflip who is probably a must-lynch @ some point this game which sucks...

How are they related to rayn? Because rayn thought he was town?

I just have a super hard time seeing anyone else as mafia.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 03:03 GMT
#2756
Like I guess I agree with the general idea that someone outside the three has a good chance of being mafia. But I just can't pick a single person that it could be.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 03:57 GMT
#2763
On October 28 2015 12:29 gumshoe wrote:
Do you guys really not get the whole Rayn thing?

rayn dying means scum felt they couldn't mislynch him.

scum not bieng able to mislynch him means at least 2 out of three scum are town reading him and to turn around and lynch him for no real reason would be super scummy of them.

Is this really such a stretch?

Basically my argument is that the majority of the scum team couldn't lynch rayn cause they were town reading rayn.

No it's not game ending, but it is useful information to cross refrence with what you all already know.

Def not "gumshoe dafack are you doing" worthy 0_0




Don't think this is necessarily true though. IF scum killed rayn because they didn't think they could mislynch him, it could be because the only people who scumread rayn WERE mafia and there was no town support for it. The exact opposite could be true.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 05:00 GMT
#2789
On October 28 2015 13:46 ritoky wrote:
i personally think there's at least 1 between gb and hopeless.

as i said before if gb is mafia there is GUARANTEED 1 between gumdrop, vivax, and xata.

Sorry, can you explain this to me? I don't understand this.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 05:01 GMT
#2790
shhhhh ritoky is the hero this town deserves, and I agree we shouldn't stop thinking about things. But I also want to make sure we don't overthink ourselves out of lynching the mafia.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 05:07 GMT
#2795
Ehhhh I really don't agree with that. gumshoe and Xatalos were both of the mindset that yamato scum = GB town, which was pretty reasonable. So they'd want to see the yamato flip before killing GB. Even I thought it would be a mistake to double lynch without considering info from the flip.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 05:13 GMT
#2801
But Onegu is actually scummy for like in game reasons. He's only town because of the people that died, and I don't think that offsets it.

And like... I'm considering alternatives, but none of them are convincing at all. Maybe I'll find something when I look at Vivax more.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 05:25 GMT
#2805
Just checked, gumshoe is definitely town because I think he posts differently as mafia than he does here and as town. It seems like his tone is much more serious as mafia, and definitely not as interested in finding mafia. Plus his mafia games have 2, 2, 2, and 4 page filters total (idk how convincing filter length argument is but it's easy and feels good). I guess it could just be a coincidence that lurker gumshoe showed up for his mafia games, but I don't think that gumshoe would be able to play like this as mafia.

Town game (real similar to here):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?user=gumshoe
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?user=gumshoe

Mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/448443-you-only-shoot-once-mafia?user=gumshoe
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?user=gumshoe
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445063-handslaps-and-fisticuff-a-pyp-mini?user=gumshoe
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441596-gsl-open-mini-mafia-iv?user=gumshoe
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 05:27 GMT
#2806
I tried to look at Xatalos' filter for you ritoky but it was almost as long as all of D2 so I decided I didn't have time for that right now...
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 05:30 GMT
#2807
##Vote: GlowingBear

For everything that me, ritoky, and rayn have already said, in addition to being around all night and not doing anything that looks remotely townie at all.

For the record, I do support an Onegu lynch at this point (maybe this will change if I find someone else that I think could be mafia). I just think that GB is a better chance to hit. Realistically, I can't see myself lynching outside of GB/Onegu/Hopeless until all three are dead right now.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 05:31 GMT
#2808
Interestingly, it looks like Hopeless might be the deciding vote on the GB/Onegu wagons...
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 12:55 GMT
#2840
On October 28 2015 15:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 14:07 Chromatically wrote:
Ehhhh I really don't agree with that. gumshoe and Xatalos were both of the mindset that yamato scum = GB town, which was pretty reasonable. So they'd want to see the yamato flip before killing GB. Even I thought it would be a mistake to double lynch without considering info from the flip.


This is bullshit. If you think I'm mafia like you show you think I am you vote me 100%.

Tell me how yamato flipping mafia would clear me. And I want YOU to tell me, not anyone else.

What? It doesn't matter what I say, I wasn't convinced yamato mafia would clear you. The point is that Xatalos and gumshoe clearly thought it would.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 16:20 GMT
#2859
On October 29 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Chrom, I'm reading you as town.

What do you think of it?

I don't think it matters very much with regards to your alignment.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 16:27 GMT
#2861
Xatalos, on a scale of 1 to town, how confident are you in Vivax?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 16:51 GMT
#2869
On October 29 2015 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 01:20 Chromatically wrote:
On October 29 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Chrom, I'm reading you as town.

What do you think of it?

I don't think it matters very much with regards to your alignment.


Fair enough

What was the point of the question?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 16:53 GMT
#2873
On October 29 2015 01:52 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 01:51 Chromatically wrote:
On October 29 2015 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 29 2015 01:20 Chromatically wrote:
On October 29 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Chrom, I'm reading you as town.

What do you think of it?

I don't think it matters very much with regards to your alignment.


Fair enough

What was the point of the question?


To see if you would come up with some bullshit. You didn't.

But you are reading me as town?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 17:12 GMT
#2877
On October 29 2015 01:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 01:53 Chromatically wrote:
On October 29 2015 01:52 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 29 2015 01:51 Chromatically wrote:
On October 29 2015 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 29 2015 01:20 Chromatically wrote:
On October 29 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Chrom, I'm reading you as town.

What do you think of it?

I don't think it matters very much with regards to your alignment.


Fair enough

What was the point of the question?


To see if you would come up with some bullshit. You didn't.

But you are reading me as town?


Since day1. Sometimes I outburst with things that doesn't make sense to me but I ask for clarification then I stick to my read.

Hmm okay, seems like a weird thing to do to try to 'trap' your townread since D1?
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