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Hello guys! Will start to read the thread very soon
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On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1
I completely disagree with this:
1 - lynching anti town > lynching town
2 - if it's that obvious he will "get rewarded with a bullet", why wouldn't it be obviously rewarded with a medic prot
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On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall
This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.
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On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.
GB almost used the same opening last game:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
It was actually his second post.
So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"
Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town
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On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town
OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything.
Sources:
+ Show Spoiler +Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!
I'm town
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On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post?
What do you think it is ?
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On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:Why do you need to write this? Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town.
are you serious. I had to go back to check
GB's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start
Slam's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to ![[image loading]](http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/15/152870/2684749-1410539-thrall.jpg) In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... ![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRt_PoibxOyNa_BYVAoTAvv_OOeFS5OAMrKFDzN7RFcmP1Lt5bT) Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post?
TT's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning  I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though.
Explain your town reads.
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On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote:
Sad news Fellows...
After today I am out of potent smoke-ables.
This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game.
I don't like that post. TT always "eventually gives meaningful and thought out posts". People sometimes thinks he's scummy because his thoughts are hard to follow, and he's very prompt at making conspiracy theory, even if it involves putting doubt on near-confirmed townies; but he's always re evalutating and thinking about solving the game.
Here TT is saying him making meaningful and thought out posts is rare; which is not true.
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On October 13 2015 21:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote:
Sad news Fellows...
After today I am out of potent smoke-ables.
This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game. I don't like that post. TT always "eventually gives meaningful and thought out posts". People sometimes thinks he's scummy because his thoughts are hard to follow, and he's very prompt at making conspiracy theory, even if it involves putting doubt on near-confirmed townies; but he's always re evalutating and thinking about solving the game. Here TT is saying him making meaningful and thought out posts is rare; which is not true.
This post by town!TT doesn't make sense, as it's not true he doesn't do meaningful posts.
This post by not-town!TT makes sense, as it does a few things:
- gives him an excuse his current "useless" behavious
- promises to do more later
- BIGGER THING: creates the premise that if he does "meaningful" posts, it will be a rare thing for him, and we should townread him for that. But that is just not true; TT as town always does meaningful posts
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Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these:
On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote.
On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that.
Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit".
On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu
Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!"
I think TT is not-town.
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On October 13 2015 21:36 Xatalos wrote:
I can see that logic... But are you sure he often makes good posts, or sees it that way himself?
Yes he always thinks about the game and re evaluates constantly. For example season of the witch 2; he was the first person to try hard in the thread. The very opposite of his play here.
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On October 13 2015 21:37 GlowingBear wrote:
What do you think of Koshi, rels?
Slight not-town lean. I don't like him saying "if I try hard and get a mafia / 3P lynched I'll bite a bullet", completely forgetting we have two medics.
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On October 13 2015 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Nobody cares Xatalos. Especially not Koshi.
There is 0 use for town to play this game at this point.
D1: We try our hardest and lynch mafia
N1: 3p/mafia shoots 2 town, town probably kills town
D2: We lynch 3p trash role
N2: 3p/mafia shoots 2 town,
D3 starts with 4 town, 1 mafia, 1 3p
Town only wins when they lynch mafia or 3P LITERALLY every day.
Or we don't give a shit.
We random lynch or lynch a random smuck the 1-2 silly tryhards don't like.
3p actually uses his brain at night and shoots into unknows/mafia, because mafia wins against him if they stay with 2 and there are too many unknown alignments for him.
D2 we still don't give 2 shits if only town died before. We just lynch a random smuck again that the tryhards wants us to lynch.
N2 we pray all the antitown KP actually hit antitown.
D3 we listen to the 3p who is mafia.
N3 SK kills a town.
D4 town tries to lynch 3p. If they fail they lose. Koshi wants to be there. Probably won't because respect kill and mafia isn't retarded.
tldr: Doesn't matter if town plays perfect or town plays trash. There is too much kp to punish good play. Mafia/3p might scumhunt as hard as town does anyway. Game is random.
tldr2: If you tryhard I just laugh at you.
Man. This seems to make sense, but your scenario 1 is super flawed: you take the CPR doc probably killing town into the equation but not CPR doc killing not-town, or saving someone, or the medic saving someone. Plus we can never be sure we are in scenario 2, since 3P can hide the alignement of the kills.
If we play perfectly and lynch not-town everyday + protect succesfully, we win. For that to happen, I agree that CPR doc needs to be good. The guy can either be a disaster, or chose between being a vig or a medic.
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On October 13 2015 21:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 21:43 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 21:37 GlowingBear wrote:
What do you think of Koshi, rels? Slight not-town lean. I don't like him saying "if I try hard and get a mafia / 3P lynched I'll bite a bullet", completely forgetting we have two medics. At this point, you would prefer to lynch tic tock over him?
100%. Might evolve as I finish to catch up though.
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On October 13 2015 21:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 21:50 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2015 21:43 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 21:37 GlowingBear wrote:
What do you think of Koshi, rels? Slight not-town lean. I don't like him saying "if I try hard and get a mafia / 3P lynched I'll bite a bullet", completely forgetting we have two medics. At this point, you would prefer to lynch tic tock over him? 100%. Might evolve as I finish to catch up though.
Koshi is actually evolving towards town for this:
On October 13 2015 19:53 Koshi wrote:IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION for people who can't read between lines. It would be pretty cool to lynch anti-town. But playing on D1 random and not rewarding. There is a chance this game will become interesting D2. D1 it is pure shit. D2 has a 50% chance to still be shit.
I don't agree with him but his idea is understandable + he's explaining it and pushing it pretty hard.
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On October 13 2015 22:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmm.... Ok. What did you think about Sylencia's first posts btw?
Talking to me ? No read. I was happy you asked 'cause I thought you said "Superbia" p: something is bothering me about him, don't really know what. What do you think of Superbia?
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On October 13 2015 20:31 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:15 Superbia wrote:
Actually not going to post my post. Had a nice little theory written up about how I think both mafia and third party will play this game. Going to post it later (mayb n1) after people have "played". ;p This sounds reasonable, but it's also a copout... Shame on you sir.
Again TT being undecided and keeping his options open.
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Alright finished catching up.
I like Koshi being like "NO TRYHARD" but being one of the guy pushing discussion forward p: I think him and Xatalos are town.
I think TT is not-town. Something is bothering me about Superbia too, will read his filter to know what.
##Vote TicTock
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On October 13 2015 22:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 22:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmm.... Ok. What did you think about Sylencia's first posts btw? Talking to me ? No read. I was happy you asked 'cause I thought you said "Superbia" p: something is bothering me about him, don't really know what. What do you think of Superbia?
OK I read Sylancia's gigantic filter and I have no idea why you asked me about it. Nothing is alignement indicative IMO. What do you think of his first posts ?
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OK I know what bothered me about Superbia. This post:
On October 13 2015 20:21 Superbia wrote:
Also brb.
was made 12 hours after this post:
On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb.
So two times he quit the thread saying "brb", as he felt the need to warn us he was leaving. It is not-town indicative 'cause it indicates he is concerned about how he looks.
And I say "he was leaving" even if "brb" doesn't indicate per se an exit because that's what he did both times: after the first he posted this and left:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.
After the second he posted nothing.
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On October 13 2015 22:22 Xatalos wrote:
Could you maybe link some of TicTock's openers as town/scum or something? It's hard to say about his meta for me. I'll grant you that your posts dropped my read on him from very slight town to possibly anti-town.
I will do it; but I don't think it's important how his openers are. The important thing is that he is always re evaluating the game and making thought out posts; so him saying "I might start making good posts this game" is nonsense.
This feeling is coming from the last game I played with him, season of the witch 2. Here are his 5 first posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 12:37 Tictock wrote:
Hiya!
I'm town, not the martyr though.
Rayn probs town, his thing on the martyr makes sense. If martyr uses their ability mafia gets to know the role of who they were targeting whiles getting to know who was the martyr at the same time, so eliminated 2 roles.
I suppose not claiming is fine as long as you don't martyr though, not sure there's a downside there.
I'll be back after I finish raiding. On September 15 2015 14:20 Tictock wrote:Yea looking back over things it looks like the best course of action for martyr is to not claim and not sacrifice themselves. It does say in OP Show nested quote +Martyr: Each night you will learn who is being killed by the Witch Kill. You can then choose to save that person by sacrificing yourself for them. Your heroic death will be made obvious. If Witch Kill doesn't go through, or isn't attempted, you will learn nothing. Show nested quote +Just to be clear, the martyr save is only made obvious as to it being a martyr save. Whoever was targeted is not revealed. So while it seems like town will be notified that the NK was martyred (and thus know that it was martyr that died) it still gives mafia the role of the person who they were targeting. There might be situations late in the game where that is useful but generally I can see how protecting someone tends to benefit mafia more. I dont see what is gained from having the martyr claim though, seems unnecessary. Rayn why do you think they should claim even if they don't intend to protect someone? How does it benifit mafia if they don't? Where is the benefit to town? On September 15 2015 14:29 Tictock wrote:
As for the grail vote, I dont trust anyone enough to give it to just yet.
Leery of giving it to damdred already both because he seems to sorta want it and because he's suggesting he knows he can keep ahold of it for awhile. Slight scumlean.
Shining is cool for suggesting an alternate topic of discussion, townlean. On September 15 2015 14:31 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 14:22 geript wrote:
Read the scum role. They learn who the NK targeted not the martyr. It's a plammar special nerf to the martyr. Did I say something that made you think I didn't understand that? They would know the NK was martyr'd kus someone other than their target died thus the person who dies who wasn't their target, plus the stuff I quoted about how it would be "made obviuse" that it kill was martyred. Plus the necro role info. On September 15 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote:
Geript how sure are you on your read on LS?
Obv it's still early, I just wanna know how strongly you feel about it.
And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read?
Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read....
You asked earlier if TT really felt his posting was thoughtful. Look at this last post in the spoiler:
On September 15 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote:
Geript how sure are you on your read on LS?
Obv it's still early, I just wanna know how strongly you feel about it.
And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read?
Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read....
I know TT played as scum in Holy Guardians, and database says it's his only scum game. Here are his 5 first posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2015 06:01 Tictock wrote:
First? Yay On June 03 2015 06:02 Tictock wrote:
Greetings Town. Lets find that red menace and put an end to them once and for all! On June 03 2015 06:05 Tictock wrote:Whow, that premade message from Kistart already... I kinda agree with it though. I'm sorry, who are you? lol On June 03 2015 06:07 Tictock wrote:
@ SL
Man I half joined this game kus I was tired of tunneling you in every other game I've played in these forums..
Guess I just have to suck it up. On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick
It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.
The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously.
Wow I didn't think it was important, but you might be right; it is another thing indicating TT is not town. His posting this game is a lot more similar to Holy Guardians than season of the witch 2.
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On October 13 2015 23:25 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 21:31 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 21:28 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote:
Sad news Fellows...
After today I am out of potent smoke-ables.
This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game. I don't like that post. TT always "eventually gives meaningful and thought out posts". People sometimes thinks he's scummy because his thoughts are hard to follow, and he's very prompt at making conspiracy theory, even if it involves putting doubt on near-confirmed townies; but he's always re evalutating and thinking about solving the game. Here TT is saying him making meaningful and thought out posts is rare; which is not true. This post by town!TT doesn't make sense, as it's not true he doesn't do meaningful posts. This post by not-town!TT makes sense, as it does a few things: - gives him an excuse his current "useless" behavious - promises to do more later - BIGGER THING: creates the premise that if he does "meaningful" posts, it will be a rare thing for him, and we should townread him for that. But that is just not true; TT as town always does meaningful posts It's a null read because so many people say things like that regardless of alignment though. I literally would've posted something to that nature if I didn't just read it 
What do you mean "things like this".
The problems here are:
- TT doesn't start tryharding like he did in season of the witch (he was town), but slacked off like he did in holy guardians (he was mafia)
- He implies that he doesn't usually make thoughtful posts, which is not true
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On October 13 2015 23:34 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 22:24 Rels wrote:OK I know what bothered me about Superbia. This post: On October 13 2015 20:21 Superbia wrote:
Also brb. was made 12 hours after this post: On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. So two times he quit the thread saying "brb", as he felt the need to warn us he was leaving. It is not-town indicative 'cause it indicates he is concerned about how he looks. And I say "he was leaving" even if "brb" doesn't indicate per se an exit because that's what he did both times: after the first he posted this and left: On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. After the second he posted nothing. Does it mean anything though if he mentioned he was going to be mostly unavailable today pre-game? It's the primary reason why I haven't trusted the claims on Superbia yet because the primary point has been about the "brbs" and "can't play" comments.
It bothered me when I caught up though, but yeah this in particular doesn't mean anything. Him saying "brb" then almost one hour later "actually I can't play see you tomorrow" is bothering me a little though.
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On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out.
This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.
The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.
Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1.
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On October 14 2015 01:28 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town You are focusing alot on meta reads Rels... This worries me.
How ? Looking forward this explanation + the thing I skipped
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On October 14 2015 02:51 Alakaslam wrote:Rels is good but he is playing a vanilla game.
That's how you play the setup. D1 you want to lynch not town; starting D2 we can make the difference between mafia and 3p.
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On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
You're not reading the thread.
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Copcake a second thing you missed:
On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads.
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On October 14 2015 04:21 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out. This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.
The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1. Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud. Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day. As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW... Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias. Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that.
Yes I would love quotes that support that idea. Cause that's not how I see your play
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On October 14 2015 04:57 Tictock wrote:So this caught my eye when I first read it. I held off commenting right away kus I know Rels often does opening post analysis, and wanted to see if he'd catch it too. Basically the idea is that scum are unsure how to open and will often spend extra time on their first posts and talk about multiple subjects. Xat's open practically screamed that to me. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:Btw if you want to see the up-to-date votecount then it's here at all times: https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#495390-crossfire-mafiaI truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason. On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This felt a bit wrong to me. What I mean is the fact that Koshi was primarily concerned about his own life and while saying that town's position is bad (which should lead to the conclusion that it's time to play well), he concludes that he's going to lurk.. Which left me with the feeling that rather than having good lynches, he just wanted to avoid getting shot. The strongest motivation for that would be if he's anti-town. It's still possible that he's blue or something, but if that's the case, then it's pretty bad play to announce your survival instinct so clearly (making it less likely that you're a VT). Also Koshi: I don't agree that town is underpowered. The anti-towns can kill each other as well, and we have 2 (kind of) Medics in the game. Well, it is a bit random that way. That's 4 different topics, 3 if you combine anything related to Koshi. 1-Votecount link 2- VT Claims, No Claims 3- Quote and scumread on Koshi 4- Town not underpowered The quote in 3 was also brought up by Slam earlier, same bolding even, but maybe that's weak. This might hold even better given that it has been sometime since Xat played here + Show Spoiler + and could very well be concerned about his open if he rolled scum. Also his defense of Moosy felt a little off, as did his early town read + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 19:33 Xatalos wrote:
My gut feeling is that MoosyDoosy is town. If you ask me why? It's because he's taking it so easy while being accused. I think it's a bit more likely to become defensive or even over-react somehow if you're actually not town, rather than joke around. Especially since there are several anti-town factions, it's even more dangerous for you if votes get piled on you... . Especially given that he says this Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:54 Xatalos wrote:
Still, basically there's never a reason not to play as town. Only scum(/anti-town) benefits from a silent thread. And it even makes the game MORE random since there's less to work with. Moosy's filter defines silent btw, half of his page is pre-game. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 20:09 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. That's quite a bit of picking and choosing in how he applies this logic. So yea, this guy has been my top scumread for quite some time, and I'm fairly sure Xata flips non-town here.
##Vote: Xatalos
The first part is nothing indicative, unless applied to a newbie or someone you know.
Liking the part on applying different logic on different people though.
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Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ?
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On October 14 2015 05:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:30 deconduo wrote:On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote:
Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ? That's a good point actually. Because its teams of 2, scumteams will probably have to hard defend each other from lynches. Bussing is not a viable strat this game because both sides have KP. Hm.. I guess that's a worthwhile point.
The point he's agreeing is that you could be scum with moosy
Why are you agreeing with him
I suppose you are agreeing with the fact there are two teams of two and teammates wouldn't bus ... I don't know this seems weird to me
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On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 03:50 deconduo wrote:So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest: + Show Spoiler [Rels] +On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler +Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!
I'm town I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it. On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads. More good work here. On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far. Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this: On October 14 2015 02:10 Koshi wrote:GB logic: Show nested quote +I am town and I fully comprehend the arguments brought against TT and I find them to be reasonable and believable, I could even follow them. However, I don't understand how 2 other people are voting for TT. Very suspicious by them. Because when they read the arguments that were fully reasonable and believable they should not have believed them and should not have pressured TT at all.
I think both Xatalos and Koshi are very suspicious for jumping on this TT wagon based on very reasonable and believable arguments. On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote:
dun dun dunnnn.
Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them) I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now. On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote:
The more haikus made
The more I want to kill you
JK, good gimmick
Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:
Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads? Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean. On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.
This does drive me a little bit nuts as well. On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.
Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.
Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.
I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right. I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode. Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation. You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do. Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia. QED Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing. Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb. I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started. What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town. I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something. Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean. On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.
Fuck this.
Onegu out.
Taking some pain meds and relaxing.
Back later to figure this game out. Another VT claim. Not much here, Null. Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null
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The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all: On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm. On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, no.
Just thought about something.
Koshi is back to null.
Don't ask me what it is. I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain. On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:No seriously. He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon. Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious. ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/5aLrlDiJPMPFS/giphy.gif) I thought I saw 3 votes on him? I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious. I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed. It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null. Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting. On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. Quality post  . Leaning scum. I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well: On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
When do I ever actually tryhard D1? On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least. On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:Why do you need to write this? Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote:
Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it.
##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go. Gonna vote for copcake based on the above. ##Vote: copcake EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb" and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia
Then how did you remark I suspected GB, then failed to remark I removed suspecion two posts later ?
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On October 14 2015 05:39 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:13 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 04:21 Tictock wrote:On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out. This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.
The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1. Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud. Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day. As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW... Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias. Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that. Yes I would love quotes that support that idea. Cause that's not how I see your play Here some stuff where I make comments about my play like that, and pretty good evidence other people think that of me, lol. + Show Spoiler +On August 02 2015 15:51 Tictock wrote:
Looks like we might be starting soon!
Pre-Game excuse: I'm terrible On August 04 2015 14:14 Tictock wrote:
GG Everyone! No worries about lynching me D2, I got all that out in Obs QT ^.^
Besides, looking at the game objectively Moosy and myself were Wildcards that needed to be dealt with at some point.
Speaking of cards... My best reads were actually when I was doing my tarot stuff. But... besides that all my reads were pretty shit. I think I felt pressured to look like town so I started reading through stuff trying to find something which is never a good way to go. Regardless I think I need to rethink my approach.
These were after I got lynched that game On July 29 2015 07:10 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, he brought it on himself. On July 30 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iam sorry for the lynch. not really though, TT was awful.
noobking is mafia.
mark my words. Different game, Personality, after I got mislynched in what turned out to be lylo. On September 05 2015 07:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Tictock.
Seriously.
Fuck you. Probably other stuff if I cared enough to dig through obs and shit But that's still missing the point that I was clearly making a joke here. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote:
Sad news Fellows...
After today I am out of potent smoke-ables.
This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game. I mean I even phrased it like me giving meaningful posts was a bad thing...
I don't care if it was a joke, it clearly showed you felt your usual posting was not making thoughtful posts, which is not true. I admit you seem to have a low esteem of your play. You shouldnt.
I still think your early posts are suspicious because it seems like you don't want people to take you seriously. No explanation will change that. I liked your recent posts though, that what I was expecting from the beginning
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On October 14 2015 05:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
Btw I don't understand this part
This post was made a while ago. Why did you bring it only now ?
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Copcake why are you ignoring me ?
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Going to sleep. See you tomorrow
##Unvote
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On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads.
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On October 14 2015 05:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:On October 14 2015 03:50 deconduo wrote:So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest: + Show Spoiler [Rels] +On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler +Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!
I'm town I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it. On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads. More good work here. On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far. Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this: On October 14 2015 02:10 Koshi wrote:GB logic: Show nested quote +I am town and I fully comprehend the arguments brought against TT and I find them to be reasonable and believable, I could even follow them. However, I don't understand how 2 other people are voting for TT. Very suspicious by them. Because when they read the arguments that were fully reasonable and believable they should not have believed them and should not have pressured TT at all.
I think both Xatalos and Koshi are very suspicious for jumping on this TT wagon based on very reasonable and believable arguments. On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote:
dun dun dunnnn.
Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them) I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now. On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote:
The more haikus made
The more I want to kill you
JK, good gimmick
Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:
Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads? Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean. On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.
This does drive me a little bit nuts as well. On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.
Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.
Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.
I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right. I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode. Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation. You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do. Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia. QED Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing. Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb. I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started. What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town. I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something. Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean. On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.
Fuck this.
Onegu out.
Taking some pain meds and relaxing.
Back later to figure this game out. Another VT claim. Not much here, Null. Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null
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The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all: On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm. On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, no.
Just thought about something.
Koshi is back to null.
Don't ask me what it is. I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain. On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:No seriously. He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon. Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious. I thought I saw 3 votes on him? I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious. I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed. It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null. Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting. On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. Quality post . Leaning scum. I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well: On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
When do I ever actually tryhard D1? On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least. On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:Why do you need to write this? Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote:
Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it.
##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go. Gonna vote for copcake based on the above. ##Vote: copcake EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb" and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia Then how did you remark I suspected GB, then failed to remark I removed suspecion two posts later ?
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On October 14 2015 06:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 06:54 Alakaslam wrote:On October 14 2015 06:44 deconduo wrote:
Meh, I'm off for now. Maybe something interesting will happen overnight while the US is awake. I am from CA bro. It's 3PM Time flies
LOL
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On October 14 2015 07:34 Superbia wrote:
Other things have been said but I skimmed shit on phone so I don't have a strong opinion on other shit yet. Though moosy needs to do shit. Oh yeah, moosy said something about me probably being scared of his mafia play or something which indicates that he's reading me town, even though he has no reason to or hasn't done so whatsoever, so moosy is probably some sort of mafia.
I didn't understand that reasonning. Could you please expand ?
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On October 14 2015 08:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 03:43 CopCake wrote:
Sup is mafia because DUH why the fuck does he need to say "BRB" when the game was SO FUCKING DEAD like seriously that post was like "hey look at me i am paying attention but you fucktards are not participating" totally different when he was town in that game i was mafia with moosy.
This is a good post.
LOL I bought up this point yesterday, and at the time you said:
On October 13 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
brb is really only meta indicative. Some players do it some like me don't feel the need to report when they're here or not.
And now when CopCake makes a similar it is super good ?
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On October 14 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm just going to vote for Superbia for now. There are reasons that Koshi and gobbledygook CAN be town but Superbia is def scum right now. I think GB + CC + Slam should already realize how different his play is. I will relook into Rels if it becomes necessary.
Also Rels, your case is terrible because A. you used meta and tone when you know you're terrible at meta and tone and you played only 1 game with him when I played like 3 or something close to that. B. also, the only thing that TicTock can be scumread for right now is that he was fence sitting but that's super weak because it was in the first half of D1 so that's a terrible reason as well.
tl;dr your case is bad and TicTock looks town. So change your vote.
oh yeah and before I forget I have a weird itch on Xata which I'll go over later. I think it had something to do with townreading me and something else in conjunction to make magical baby combinations.
Oh. Hi! Oooo ? Mmmm ...
You know what ? You might be right on that. His early posts were bad, but his recent thoughts were pretty good. But there is one problem; I don't feel like admitting TT might be town and removing my vote from him )= it would look like I'm sheeping you, when I'm known for making my own conclusions right ?? What to do .... )=
HEY I KNOW! I JUST HAVE TO TIME TRAVEL, BE LIKE "OK MAYBE TT IS TOWN", AND UNVOTE HIM BEFORE YOU CAN CALL ME OUT ON THAT!
Brillant. I'm a fucking genius. Onto the delorean! You know, the one I've found in 2 seconds in google image!
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TADA TADADA TA TADA
OK making these posts now in the past. Done!
On October 14 2015 05:49 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:39 Tictock wrote:On October 14 2015 05:13 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 04:21 Tictock wrote:On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out. This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.
The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1. Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud. Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day. As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW... Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias. Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that. Yes I would love quotes that support that idea. Cause that's not how I see your play Here some stuff where I make comments about my play like that, and pretty good evidence other people think that of me, lol. + Show Spoiler +On August 02 2015 15:51 Tictock wrote:
Looks like we might be starting soon!
Pre-Game excuse: I'm terrible On August 04 2015 14:14 Tictock wrote:
GG Everyone! No worries about lynching me D2, I got all that out in Obs QT ^.^
Besides, looking at the game objectively Moosy and myself were Wildcards that needed to be dealt with at some point.
Speaking of cards... My best reads were actually when I was doing my tarot stuff. But... besides that all my reads were pretty shit. I think I felt pressured to look like town so I started reading through stuff trying to find something which is never a good way to go. Regardless I think I need to rethink my approach.
These were after I got lynched that game On July 29 2015 07:10 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, he brought it on himself. On July 30 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iam sorry for the lynch. not really though, TT was awful.
noobking is mafia.
mark my words. Different game, Personality, after I got mislynched in what turned out to be lylo. On September 05 2015 07:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Tictock.
Seriously.
Fuck you. Probably other stuff if I cared enough to dig through obs and shit But that's still missing the point that I was clearly making a joke here. On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote:
Sad news Fellows...
After today I am out of potent smoke-ables.
This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game. I mean I even phrased it like me giving meaningful posts was a bad thing... I don't care if it was a joke, it clearly showed you felt your usual posting was not making thoughtful posts, which is not true. I admit you seem to have a low esteem of your play. You shouldnt. I still think your early posts are suspicious because it seems like you don't want people to take you seriously. No explanation will change that. I liked your recent posts though, that what I was expecting from the beginning
On October 14 2015 06:22 Rels wrote:Going to sleep. See you tomorrow ##Unvote
And ... back to the present. I feel good about that (= Moosy, what do you think of it now ?
...
...
... wait. Something doesn't add up.
I've changed my posts in the past, so Moosy should have seen them when he caught up. After all, we are in a single universe continuum ...
MAYBE HE DIDNT READ THEM
BUT HE SEEMED TO BE CATCHING UP AT THE TIME, AND HE QUOTED POSTS FROM BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER MY UNVOTE
On October 14 2015 08:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:13 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 04:21 Tictock wrote:On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out. This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.
The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1. Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud. Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day. As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW... Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias. Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that. Yes I would love quotes that support that idea. Cause that's not how I see your play This is around my 4th game with Tictock. This is your 2nd. -pokes-
On October 14 2015 08:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote:
Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ? ...hm...????
On October 14 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:48 Alakaslam wrote:On October 14 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:On October 14 2015 04:57 Tictock wrote:So this caught my eye when I first read it. I held off commenting right away kus I know Rels often does opening post analysis, and wanted to see if he'd catch it too. Basically the idea is that scum are unsure how to open and will often spend extra time on their first posts and talk about multiple subjects. Xat's open practically screamed that to me. On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:Btw if you want to see the up-to-date votecount then it's here at all times: https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#495390-crossfire-mafiaI truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason. On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This felt a bit wrong to me. What I mean is the fact that Koshi was primarily concerned about his own life and while saying that town's position is bad (which should lead to the conclusion that it's time to play well), he concludes that he's going to lurk.. Which left me with the feeling that rather than having good lynches, he just wanted to avoid getting shot. The strongest motivation for that would be if he's anti-town. It's still possible that he's blue or something, but if that's the case, then it's pretty bad play to announce your survival instinct so clearly (making it less likely that you're a VT). Also Koshi: I don't agree that town is underpowered. The anti-towns can kill each other as well, and we have 2 (kind of) Medics in the game. Well, it is a bit random that way. That's 4 different topics, 3 if you combine anything related to Koshi. 1-Votecount link 2- VT Claims, No Claims 3- Quote and scumread on Koshi 4- Town not underpowered The quote in 3 was also brought up by Slam earlier, same bolding even, but maybe that's weak. This might hold even better given that it has been sometime since Xat played here + Show Spoiler + and could very well be concerned about his open if he rolled scum. Also his defense of Moosy felt a little off, as did his early town read + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 19:33 Xatalos wrote:
My gut feeling is that MoosyDoosy is town. If you ask me why? It's because he's taking it so easy while being accused. I think it's a bit more likely to become defensive or even over-react somehow if you're actually not town, rather than joke around. Especially since there are several anti-town factions, it's even more dangerous for you if votes get piled on you... . Especially given that he says this On October 13 2015 19:54 Xatalos wrote:
Still, basically there's never a reason not to play as town. Only scum(/anti-town) benefits from a silent thread. And it even makes the game MORE random since there's less to work with. Moosy's filter defines silent btw, half of his page is pre-game. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 20:09 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. That's quite a bit of picking and choosing in how he applies this logic. So yea, this guy has been my top scumread for quite some time, and I'm fairly sure Xata flips non-town here.
##Vote: Xatalos Well yeah, at this point MoosyDoosy's inactivity is starting to get irritating. I still get the feeling that anti-town wouldn't blatantly make themselves suspicious like that... Or generally just act without care for their own survival. In my experience people like that are usually town who get easily mislynched by scum. *Rarely* there are cases where scum take that as their strategy and WIFOM themselves out of suspicion... I kind of doubt MoosyDoosy is going for such a high-risk play.Out of curiosity, when did I become your top scumread? You haven't really even mentioned me before that, but you said "for a long time". The case is kind of a cherry-picked gathering of pretty null-leaning things as well. Not sure how talking about several topics in your opening is really scummy. Many people have done that. why? Read firefly newbie student haha this. I bused my whole team (CopCake + GB) for the win. CopCake did not appreciate that apparently and GB really didn't either.
On October 14 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 06:35 Tictock wrote:
Geez we have too many lurky players.
I'd like to see more out of anyone with less than a page of filter.
In particular Moosy, gobble, and Onegu need to bring something to the table.
Cop and Superbia are playing, but not at all posting. Just more plz.
Decoundo and Sylencia are somehow the standouts of this group. yah yah I'm working on it calm urself
Then I know! Maybe he saw I unvoted, but is pushing me for my "bad" case on TT!
... no, he's clearly saying to me to change my vote!
On October 14 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
tl;dr your case is bad and TicTock looks town. So change your vote.
MOOSY WHY ARE YOU SO ILLOCAL
WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS MISSING IMPORTANT THINGS
I DONT EVEN KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT BASED ON THAT, BECAUSE YOU RE DOING IT ALL THE TIME
"oh im moosy im just going to be illogical all the time whatever my alignement is"
MAYBE THATS WHY YOU RE A LYNCH CANDIDATE IN 100% OF YOUR GAMES
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On October 14 2015 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 08:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
okie I am back and around. As a note I refuse to participate in any lynch on my Chupazi master Alakaslam unless there is glaring evidence he is not town.
mmm...down to work. Basically people I don't like this far.
gobbledygook - terrible posts so far
Superbia - acting nothing like town and doing nothing for the thread
Koshi - there’s no reason to make a long post about how town will kill themselves. That’s just drawing way way too much attention to himself. I don’t think he’s scum so…fanatic groupie? maybe.
GlowingBear - I might have to revisit this.
Rels - terrible case on TicTock and terrible conclusions that he’s drawing.
deconduo - the way he got his reads was so bad it was o-o
CopCake - eh idk. she had some good thoughts but if she continues to not care then that’s a super scum read. Ok this is one of the worst posts so far and I will completely flip my read on you ##Unvote
##Vote: MoosyDoosyYou can't possibly believe in ANYTHING you're saying here. You don't like me but you need to revisit me. Ok but why you don't like me? Why does gobble looks terrible? Your conclusion on Koshi is the worst possible. Fanatic groupie? What?? Why is the case on tic tock horrible? What was bad on the way deconduo got reads? And the best one: CAKE HAS UNEXPLAINED READS. HOW THE HELL DOES SHE HAD GOOD THOUGHTS????
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On October 14 2015 09:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 09:22 Koshi wrote:
anti town can just pretend to scumhunt the other anti town party. This is so fucking silly tbh. It's not even pretending. Their actual goal during dayphase is to lynch anti town. The fact that they need to make a fake "you are mafia" case on somebody they know isn't is completely removed. Literally 13 people in this thread are looking for people who are not town. 4 people in this thread know the alignment of 1 other guy they can ignore for the most part.
Koshi. Once again what you're saying seems to make sense but is totally false.
1 - that's partly the case in every mafia game. If mafia members could just appear town, scumhunt, don't care about each other, mafias would be unlynchable. What makes the game playable is that mafias always plays differently because they (1) know they are mafias, and (2) because they have TMI. You're right that the (2) TMI component is mostly removed in this game; the (1) part is not though. Playing a role is exhausting, and not-town will slip roleplaying as town sooner or later. We have to catch that.
2 - you again forget we have potentially 2 medic or 1 medic 1 vig if the CPR dude is good. So even if we have 4 people 2 KP against us, we also have a lot of role power. For example in the worst scenario where we mislynch D1 and have 3 town killed N1: we are at 5/2/2. If none of these 4 dead were roles, we're still in a pretty good shape.
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On October 14 2015 10:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also, don’t forget Superbia’s not doing anything for the thread right now.
tbh the only other person I kind of want to kill is Rels but he hasn’t come back yet to realize his case on TicTock is terrible so I’ll wait on him.
You seem really immune to time travels. Maybe I was wrong and I created an alternative universe where my corrected posts don't exist
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On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.
that makes you mafia.
WTF are you fucking serious
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OK finished
I don't want to lynch Moosy today. The guy is uncatchable on illogical stuff, so I have no idea if he's not-town.
copCake does not make sense. She called me scum, and she called GB scum because of our interactions; but now I'm town and he's still scum. Down for her lynch.
I'm also down for lynching useless people: Onegu and gobble.
Finally I'm having doubts about Xatalos. TT I think you're around ? I want your opinion on something he did
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The Copcake is not town compilation case
1. Her initial townreads have no basis
Her initial townreads were:
On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:
GB is town
Alakasamboombam is town
Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town.
The filters of these 3 people at the time were:
GB's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start
Slam's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post?
TT's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though.
I and others have asked her to explain these weird reads and her explanation is:
On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 06:07 deconduo wrote:On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb" and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia What was forced about it? What is scummy about gobbledydook? Why are GB, Slam, and TikTok town? I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before. TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good.
So "tone reads" AKA no explanation.
2. Her read on GB and I are inconsistent
Copcake says GB and I are mafia together:
On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 06:07 deconduo wrote:On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb" and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia What was forced about it? What is scummy about gobbledydook? Why are GB, Slam, and TikTok town? I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before. TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good.
Please look very carefully for her reason to scumread GB.
Rels suspects GB => but Rels answers GB's questions => Rels and GB are mafia together
Now. When asked about her reasons for scumreading GB, she said:
On October 14 2015 10:48 CopCake wrote:I already did, your interaction with rels is weird and "a waste of time" lol, really come and fight me, you are asking questions and in addition like you know HOW I AM AS MAFIA yet you MAFIA READ ME because I have TOWN READS. DUDE DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER THAT I DIDNT HAVE TOWN READS LAST GAME and I was like pretending I was pissed (actually I was for mossy) but yeah oh no, you are not even considering my filters too sad, no?
So GB's "interactions with Rels" is what makes GB scummy. Makes sense with the above. A little weird she's not voting me instead of GB, but whatever.
Then she says:
On October 14 2015 10:52 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 10:51 GlowingBear wrote:On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
You're calling me mafia off of an unflipped association. More than that, instead of going after the root of your association, you're going against the consequential read. I can't take this seriously what unflipped association? I don't get it pls elaborate.
WTF. She just said GB was scummy because of his "interactions with Rels". But wait. There is more:
On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.
that makes you mafia.
She thinks I'm town now ???? There is no explanation for that switch.
Her original basis for scumreading GB was that both GB and I were scum together. And now she's saying GB is scummy for his interactions with me, which is still her original reason; but she also thinks I'm town.
It doesn't make any kind of sense. There is NO reason for her to scumread GB.
3. She doesn't post much and doesn't answer questions
This point doesn't mean shit by itself, by in combinaison to the above, it indicated Copcake is not-town.
Conclusion
1. Townreads with no basis to start the game.
2. No reason for her main scumread.
3. Not very active.
Lynch her.
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On October 14 2015 17:59 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ALSO (last also i prmise) it’s a dick move for him to keep on saying “Brb.” since so many people pointed it out. This isn’t a case where he’s planned it from the start but is something that he picked up because he’s trying to cover up for it. He also never did this in our game or felt the need to cover up for weird shit he was doing so it’s super strange he’s trying to cover up his strange stuff now. I'm having the complete opposite reaction to that now. Pretty sure DMA on that supports him being town too.
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On October 14 2015 18:15 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 17:41 Rels wrote:
OK finished
I don't want to lynch Moosy today. The guy is uncatchable on illogical stuff, so I have no idea if he's not-town.
copCake does not make sense. She called me scum, and she called GB scum because of our interactions; but now I'm town and he's still scum. Down for her lynch.
I'm also down for lynching useless people: Onegu and gobble.
Finally I'm having doubts about Xatalos. TT I think you're around ? I want your opinion on something he did Shoot, I'm also caught up.
I found his timing for bringing up "CopCake is not making sense!" weird.
Talking about this post:
On October 14 2015 05:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
Btw I don't understand this part
So he realized two hours later that this post was weird. His explanation for bringing it up so late:
On October 14 2015 05:58 Xatalos wrote:
Rels: because I just noticed the weird part
The thing is I just pointed exactly the same thing a few posts ago:
On October 14 2015 05:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:On October 14 2015 03:50 deconduo wrote:So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest: + Show Spoiler [Rels] +On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler +Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!
I'm town I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it. On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads. More good work here. On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far. Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this: On October 14 2015 02:10 Koshi wrote:GB logic: Show nested quote +I am town and I fully comprehend the arguments brought against TT and I find them to be reasonable and believable, I could even follow them. However, I don't understand how 2 other people are voting for TT. Very suspicious by them. Because when they read the arguments that were fully reasonable and believable they should not have believed them and should not have pressured TT at all.
I think both Xatalos and Koshi are very suspicious for jumping on this TT wagon based on very reasonable and believable arguments. On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote:
dun dun dunnnn.
Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them) I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now. On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote:
The more haikus made
The more I want to kill you
JK, good gimmick
Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:
Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads? Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean. On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.
This does drive me a little bit nuts as well. On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.
Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.
Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.
I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right. I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode. Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation. You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do. Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia. QED Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing. Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb. I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started. What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town. I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something. Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean. On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.
Fuck this.
Onegu out.
Taking some pain meds and relaxing.
Back later to figure this game out. Another VT claim. Not much here, Null. Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null
+
The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all: On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm. On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, no.
Just thought about something.
Koshi is back to null.
Don't ask me what it is. I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain. On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:No seriously. He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon. Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious. I thought I saw 3 votes on him? I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious. I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed. It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null. Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting. On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. Quality post . Leaning scum. I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well: On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
When do I ever actually tryhard D1? On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least. On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:Why do you need to write this? Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote:
Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it.
##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go. Gonna vote for copcake based on the above. ##Vote: copcake EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb" and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia Then how did you remark I suspected GB, then failed to remark I removed suspecion two posts later ?
And deconduo voted her not that long ago:
On October 14 2015 03:50 deconduo wrote:So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest: + Show Spoiler [Rels] +On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler +Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!
I'm town I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it. On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads. More good work here. On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far. Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this: On October 14 2015 02:10 Koshi wrote:GB logic: Show nested quote +I am town and I fully comprehend the arguments brought against TT and I find them to be reasonable and believable, I could even follow them. However, I don't understand how 2 other people are voting for TT. Very suspicious by them. Because when they read the arguments that were fully reasonable and believable they should not have believed them and should not have pressured TT at all.
I think both Xatalos and Koshi are very suspicious for jumping on this TT wagon based on very reasonable and believable arguments. On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote:
dun dun dunnnn.
Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them) I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now. On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote:
The more haikus made
The more I want to kill you
JK, good gimmick
Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:
Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads? Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean. On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.
This does drive me a little bit nuts as well. On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.
Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.
Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.
I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right. I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode. Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation. You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do. Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia. QED Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing. Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb. I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started. What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town. I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something. Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean. On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.
Fuck this.
Onegu out.
Taking some pain meds and relaxing.
Back later to figure this game out. Another VT claim. Not much here, Null. Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null
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The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all: On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm. On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, no.
Just thought about something.
Koshi is back to null.
Don't ask me what it is. I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain. On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:No seriously. He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon. Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious. I thought I saw 3 votes on him? I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious. I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed. It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null. Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting. On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. Quality post . Leaning scum. I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well: On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
When do I ever actually tryhard D1? On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least. On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:Why do you need to write this? Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote:
Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it.
##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go. Gonna vote for copcake based on the above. ##Vote: copcake
So this "BTW CopCake is not making sense here" hit me as a little opportunistic. He jumped on someone who was starting to be pushed; and noticed the thing I talked about a few posts ago, but not citing me.
Thoughts ?
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On October 14 2015 18:34 Tictock wrote:
RE: Rels case on Cop
So I agree her being lurky and not explaining her reads well is troublesome.
However her thoughts do show some evolution, and she's not jumping on easy targets.
My weak townread based on her open has gone to null, but I'm not really seeing much scum motivation in her pushing on GB while ignoring the plethora of lurky players this game. Also he asking GB to fight her has a town feel.
It's possible I'm being too leniant though, I know there is a bit of a language issue there and that's making me overlook the weak explanations a little.
The big thing here is she doesn't have a reason to scumread GB.
Who would you lynch ?
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Your Xatalos' stuff is good. So this feeling I had about him jumping a little too easily on CopCake is actually something he did all game.
Any reason you include gobble in your useless list and not Onegu ?
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On October 14 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote:
Last quick thought.
Why haven't you done some of your typical Rel's things Rels?
No opening post analysis, no useful lists of useless people
You've changed so much since rolling scum...
Because as mafia I've learned that opening post analysis is not applicable if the guy isn't a newbie. I mean, I used it as mafia to push townies. p:
I haven't use ULOUP p: but I've listed useless people: Onegu and gobble. Down to lynch them if they still don't care at deadline.
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On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's very unlikely that the anti-town factions would push members of their own faction in this setup D1, especially when the setup is so "swingy" and the lynch is everything but decided yet. It's not totally impossible, but I doubt they would want to immediately crash their chances of victory for a little town cred. I think these anti-town factions are quite unlikely:
Sylencia/CopCake
MoosyDoosy/Superbia
Onegu/MoosyDoosy
gobbledydook/CopCake
deconduo/CopCake
This is a super good idea.
On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.
that makes you mafia. There's 0% logic there. The reads themselves are ridiculous, but the worst part is not pushing Rels if just "thinking Rels is town" is the reason to scumread someone (with that reasoning most players in the game would be scum btw). It's just hard to grasp she could be genuinely making these reads at all. ##Vote CopCake
Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch.
OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad:
- why is she not voting me
- why did she doubt it was a unflipped association
- it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore
- it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation
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On October 14 2015 20:33 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 20:05 Sylencia wrote:
Anyways, given the swingy nature of the game I'm going to approach it 1-2 people at a time.
If CopCake doesn't go down for whatever reason, Onegu is next because no matter what role he is, he is a detriment to town. Given the initial disadvantage we have, losing a vote and a voice over a more active townie would be terrible. Played with him before He's far from useless at all Terrible P Lynch
I love your haikus (=
So you've earned is a fair warning: I will push you if you don't become useful until EOD
That also applies to Onegu
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On October 14 2015 23:01 Superbia wrote:
[Town]
Superbia
Glowingbear
Slam
TT
[Lean town cutoff point]
Rels
Deconduo
Xatalos
[Lean-Mafia]
Koshi
[Mafia]
Moosy
Copcake
You're missing a couple people.
Gratz on plat god (= I love this game soooo much
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On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What you have to do - is find other people not in your faction and lynch them.
On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So using standard lists like narrowing it down to a few scum is useless.
Making lists is doing exactly what we you think we should do IE "find other people not in your faction and lynch them". In fact you've just admitted you did a list too:
On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And everyone that I've listed otherwise is probably 3rd party or Mafia. That's how I've been formulating my reads. I listed a bunch of people I didn't like because this isn't a 3 man team we have to kill, it's two different teams.
I see no difference between "listing people from most town to most not-town" and "listing the people I think are not-town".
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On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The thing that all of you seem to have difficulty understanding - is that there are 3 factions here. So using standard lists like narrowing it down to a few scum is useless.
Your "I make townie-type list and Superbia makes scummy-type list" stupidity aside, I don't agree with this today. D1 we do not care about association. We lynch not-town.
When a not-town flips we can start thinking about partner candidate. Especially, two partners are unlikely to have bussed each other D1, so this is valuable info.
But it doesn't matter D1.
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On October 15 2015 01:25 Xatalos wrote:
Btw I'm not sure how strict the rules for non-voting are, but CopCake's vote didn't count because it was only something like "#name". Or was it even a vote? Anyways, people should probably vote correctly before the deadline hits...
Tictock: I'm not really sure about you yet. Maybe a part of it could be the contradictory feelings about your push on me. On the other hand, it's hard to feel it being town-motivated when I'm town, but when you think about it, it's not like I'm a very good target to push for anti-town. The reasons also aren't absolute trash like some players (CopCake, MoosyDoosy etc.) have presented. Still I feel there's definitely a bias to present null-leaning things more negatively than they should be, but it's hard to say if that's town or anti-town tunneling for the time being.
The list's value isn't great right now, but I just wrote it down for later. At LYLO it could prove to be crucial, for example (as a piece to the puzzle of figuring out the factions).
TT s arguments are good though. You used different logic for different people, and most importantly you only voted on ongoing trains. You cannot dismiss them as " not trash" and "null leaning things".
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Disclaimer: I will be sleeping at deadline ... The latest I guarantee being awake is 2 hours before deadline, after that no promise! So I would be super happy if we can consolidate before that. In particular, I would be super happy if onegu and gobble starts not being useless
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No shit. Once again you're not reading.
You said I was suspecting GB but I was answering his questions, when I rescinded my suspicions two posts after raising them
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake
YOU should be reading my fucking posts
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On October 15 2015 03:19 CopCake wrote:
The fuck I am town, you fucktards.
I already explained my reads but I wont make a "fancy post" about them, I do say I feel this is "carefree" or like if the post doesnt seem like it doesn't have a mafia agenda or a third party one.
WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT I DONT GO FOR LURKERS?
I HAVE SUPERBIA AS SCUM, DUH!!! you are lying.
I also never said that rels is town, where do you get that idea rels? you are mafia or third party with Glowing Bear
##Glowingbear
Again. Explain why I and GB are not town
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On October 15 2015 03:42 CopCake wrote:
Hey rels, where I said YOU ARE TOWN? huh huh huh?
Hey copcake, did you catch that post where I saw you never said that ??
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Maybe I forgot to make it. Shit where is my delorean
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On October 14 2015 23:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's very unlikely that the anti-town factions would push members of their own faction in this setup D1, especially when the setup is so "swingy" and the lynch is everything but decided yet. It's not totally impossible, but I doubt they would want to immediately crash their chances of victory for a little town cred. I think these anti-town factions are quite unlikely:
Sylencia/CopCake
MoosyDoosy/Superbia
Onegu/MoosyDoosy
gobbledydook/CopCake
deconduo/CopCake This is a super good idea. Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.
that makes you mafia. There's 0% logic there. The reads themselves are ridiculous, but the worst part is not pushing Rels if just "thinking Rels is town" is the reason to scumread someone (with that reasoning most players in the game would be scum btw). It's just hard to grasp she could be genuinely making these reads at all. ##Vote CopCake Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch. OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad: - why is she not voting me - why did she doubt it was a unflipped association - it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore - it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation
Good back to the present! Everything is fine now
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On October 15 2015 03:49 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:25 Rels wrote:
No shit. Once again you're not reading.
You said I was suspecting GB but I was answering his questions, when I rescinded my suspicions two posts after raising them
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake
YOU should be reading my fucking posts HEH HEH HEH HEH what you said like a few minutes ago? that I townread you? you are making shit up.
...
Are you saying the following:
Rels said Copcake is townreading Rels
Based on this sentence:
You said I said you townread me
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On October 15 2015 03:53 CopCake wrote:
I have never townread you, like never ever, ever.
Yes and I realized that a while ago. In fact I quoted the post where I did
So
Why are you scumreading me ? Why are you scumreading GB ?
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On October 15 2015 03:54 CopCake wrote:
And you a few moments ago said i was townreading you which is a huge lie.
I didn't say that. I said you said I said that. Read the fucking sentence please
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On October 15 2015 03:51 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:49 CopCake wrote:On October 15 2015 03:25 Rels wrote:
No shit. Once again you're not reading.
You said I was suspecting GB but I was answering his questions, when I rescinded my suspicions two posts after raising them
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake
YOU should be reading my fucking posts HEH HEH HEH HEH what you said like a few minutes ago? that I townread you? you are making shit up. ... Are you saying the following: Rels said Copcake is townreading Rels Based on this sentence: You said I said you townread me
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On October 15 2015 03:57 Koshi wrote:
I take no responsibility in this CC lynch.
Are you kidding me ?
She's not reading
She doesn't have reason for GB and I to be scum, let alone partners
She think I was suspecting GB but answering question which is false
She didn't remark I saw she didn't townread me, but she remarked I said she townread me before
Nothing makes any sense
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Onegu! Gobble!
This is your H-2 warning. Do useful things or die.
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On October 15 2015 04:26 CopCake wrote:
yet you AFIRM that I said that you were town.
The part here is the fucking problem. Read again:
On October 15 2015 03:25 Rels wrote:
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake
I didn't "afirm that you said that I was town". I said you saw that post where I thought you read me as town, IE this one:
On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
[...]
She thinks I'm town now ???? There is no explanation for that switch.
[...]
But you didn't see the post where I realized you didn't read me as town, IE my case post:
On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
[...]
Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch.
OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad:
- why is she not voting me
- why did she doubt it was a unflipped association
- it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore
- it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation
So you're not reading properly the thread. You're not reading properly my posts.
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On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town Ok, here he suspected GB. I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info? HUH HUH HUH HUH? And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me"
You saw this post but you didn't see the very next one ???????
Not even the next one in my filter. The next one in the fucking thread.
Impossible. Die
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On October 15 2015 04:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 04:26 CopCake wrote:
yet you AFIRM that I said that you were town.
The part here is the fucking problem. Read again: Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:25 Rels wrote:
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake I didn't "afirm that you said that I was town". I said you saw that post where I thought you read me as town, IE this one: Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
[...]
She thinks I'm town now ???? There is no explanation for that switch.
[...]
But you didn't see the post where I realized you didn't read me as town, IE my case post: Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
[...]
Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch.
OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad:
- why is she not voting me
- why did she doubt it was a unflipped association
- it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore
- it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation So you're not reading properly the thread. You're not reading properly my posts.
Messed up the quotes in the last quote. It was that post:
On October 14 2015 23:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's very unlikely that the anti-town factions would push members of their own faction in this setup D1, especially when the setup is so "swingy" and the lynch is everything but decided yet. It's not totally impossible, but I doubt they would want to immediately crash their chances of victory for a little town cred. I think these anti-town factions are quite unlikely:
Sylencia/CopCake
MoosyDoosy/Superbia
Onegu/MoosyDoosy
gobbledydook/CopCake
deconduo/CopCake This is a super good idea. Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.
that makes you mafia. There's 0% logic there. The reads themselves are ridiculous, but the worst part is not pushing Rels if just "thinking Rels is town" is the reason to scumread someone (with that reasoning most players in the game would be scum btw). It's just hard to grasp she could be genuinely making these reads at all. ##Vote CopCake Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch. OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad: - why is she not voting me - why did she doubt it was a unflipped association - it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore - it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation
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On October 15 2015 04:47 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 04:18 Rels wrote:
Onegu! Gobble!
This is your H-2 warning. Do useful things or die. Yeah not going to happen, it's almost 3 am and I am still like 15 pages behind and I don't even remember those pages. Promise will read thread tomorrow as I have no plans. Who should I vote for?
Copcake.
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At the beginning of the game I put suspicion on GB:
On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town
The very next post I removed them:
On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler +Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!
I'm town
Now CopCake's reasons for scumreading is that I answered GB's questions when I suspected him. As seen above, that is false. She said it in one of her first posts:
On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
And also super recently:
On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town Ok, here he suspected GB. I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info? HUH HUH HUH HUH? And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me"
So:
1. Her reason to scumread me (he answered the questions of someone he is suspicious of) is not alignement indicative and is false.
2. CopCake saw that post where I put suspicions on GB, but missed the next post in the thread where I removed it. She's not reading the thread properly, which is not-town indicative. Another example: she saw the post where I thought she was townreading me, but didn't see the post when I realized I was wrong.
3. I said multiple times that I didn't suspect GB for more than one post. Multiple people have also asked her about her reasons to scumread me. She is not willing to re evaluate; she decided "Rels is scum", and doesn't change her mind when people tell her she's missing something
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On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?
I don't understand that GB scumread too. Is she implying GB and XATA are partners ? But I thought GB and I were partners ?
Cause that what I understood by "HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?"
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On October 15 2015 05:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info? I don't understand that GB scumread too. Is she implying GB and XATA are partners ? But I thought GB and I were partners ? Cause that what I understood by "HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?"
That was a real question btw. Is there another way to read this sentence ?
GB ? Anyone else ?
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Going to sleep soon and gobble still haven't done anything useful. Onegu at least promised content tomorrow. Anyone up for switching ?
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On October 15 2015 05:43 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town Ok, here he suspected GB. I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info? HUH HUH HUH HUH? And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me" This is super weak Cake. Your assuming he asked because he knows something about your past. What if he just wanted to see what Xata's opinion was?
The only way this makes GB scum is if he's scum with Xatalos right ? Or do I miss something. Cause that seems super dumb to me, in addition to not making sense with her "GB + Rels" theory
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On October 15 2015 05:51 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 05:45 Rels wrote:On October 15 2015 05:43 Tictock wrote:On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town Ok, here he suspected GB. I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info? HUH HUH HUH HUH? And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me" This is super weak Cake. Your assuming he asked because he knows something about your past. What if he just wanted to see what Xata's opinion was? The only way this makes GB scum is if he's scum with Xatalos right ? Or do I miss something. Cause that seems super dumb to me, in addition to not making sense with her "GB + Rels" theory Yea this is true... I'll ponder this in my last hour of work. Cake if you are town you really need to explain what made you think GB and Rels were a team.
OK that what I though. Copcake is the best lynch today. This doesn't make sense, in addition to everything I've said before.
Gobble needs to die, but that might be a job for the CPR doc. Onegu also needs to die if he doesn't do the effort he promised.
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Alright going to sleep. See you all tomorrow! And don't you dare not lynching CopCake.
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Fuck. Can't believe copcake was town.
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On October 15 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote:
Nha. I dont believe in this lynch. But you know her. I am cool with it You know her?
Koshi what did you mean by that ?
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On October 15 2015 07:27 Koshi wrote:
CPR doc should focus Moosy.
ezgame.
Doesn't matter really who we lynch.
Using the cpr to kill today is good. There are too many alive people to guess kp.
Moosy is a good kill.
Gobble is still totally useless, and onegu promised content today.
Kill one of these three imo. Remove gobble or onegu from the list if one of them starts being useful and townie
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On October 15 2015 07:27 Koshi wrote:
CPR doc should focus Moosy.
ezgame.
Doesn't matter really who we lynch.
Using the cpr to kill today is good. There are too many alive people to guess kp.
Moosy is a good kill. He s always illogical, so he s super difficult to read.
Gobble is still totally useless, and onegu promised content today.
Kill one of these three imo. Remove gobble or onegu from the list if one of them starts being useful and townie
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On October 15 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 07:29 Tictock wrote:
SorryI meant to do this awhile ago.
##Vote: Moosy Wait what? You just wanted to join a shennanie PROPOSED by Moosy. ???
Wow weird. Here superbia forgets there are multiple anti town teams. But I'm pretty sure he was the one bringing up the point about copcake saying "mafia" so she must be 3p. Its weird he now forgot that moosy can be not town pushing another not town, so its not weird TT can push both moosy and moosy s target.
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I'm on a fucking train and the network is making me crazy! I cannot browse the thread as I want. Fucking "you're not connected" all the time
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On October 15 2015 15:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi tomorrow
Reasons ?
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On October 15 2015 19:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 18:07 Rels wrote:On October 15 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote:On October 15 2015 07:29 Tictock wrote:
SorryI meant to do this awhile ago.
##Vote: Moosy Wait what? You just wanted to join a shennanie PROPOSED by Moosy. ??? Wow weird. Here superbia forgets there are multiple anti town teams. But I'm pretty sure he was the one bringing up the point about copcake saying "mafia" so she must be 3p. Its weird he now forgot that moosy can be not town pushing another not town, so its not weird TT can push both moosy and moosy s target. It's not weird. It was a legit concern in any game except this one.
Thats kinda what I was saying ... He made the difference before, and didn't for that post
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BTW you should try rebirth. Better in every way but the music
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On October 15 2015 20:09 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 19:26 Rels wrote:On October 15 2015 19:07 Koshi wrote:On October 15 2015 18:07 Rels wrote:On October 15 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote:On October 15 2015 07:29 Tictock wrote:
SorryI meant to do this awhile ago.
##Vote: Moosy Wait what? You just wanted to join a shennanie PROPOSED by Moosy. ??? Wow weird. Here superbia forgets there are multiple anti town teams. But I'm pretty sure he was the one bringing up the point about copcake saying "mafia" so she must be 3p. Its weird he now forgot that moosy can be not town pushing another not town, so its not weird TT can push both moosy and moosy s target. It's not weird. It was a legit concern in any game except this one. Thats kinda what I was saying ... He made the difference before, and didn't for that post This is true, and maybe I forgot for the moment, but I still think it is somewhat suspicious. Tictock also just said that moosy has had shit tier reads, but apparently he was more than willing than join on the wagon on gobble.. Like how much do you trust your own reads? If you think moosy is mafia why would you not want to push on him? Would you not be instinctively apprehensive of the pushes he suggests (even in this setup)? Especially if you call his overall play shitty?
Mm a few things, and you will tell me if that changed your mind:
- that's gobble we re talking about :p nobody can be "wrong" on him because he didn't produce enough content for us to evaluate. So TT can think moosy have shit read, but that doesn't apply to gobble
- TT said before gobble was one of his scumread
- I think I was the one first proposing the gobble switch, not moosy. I might be wrong but I don't think so
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On October 15 2015 20:40 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:On October 15 2015 07:20 deconduo wrote:On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:
Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?
At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years. 1) Yes 2) Yes 3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake. 4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now. You are anti town. Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 07:34 Koshi wrote:On October 15 2015 07:34 deconduo wrote:On October 15 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:On October 15 2015 07:20 deconduo wrote:On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:
Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?
At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years. 1) Yes 2) Yes 3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake. 4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now. You are anti town. Why? There is no good reason for us to want to lynch groupie at all this game. It's ok. I know you are mafia. It's fine. Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 09:06 Koshi wrote:
Moosy
deconduo
Xatalos
Mafia 3p cpr,
please kill above targets. Koshi is scum for this btw. - Lynching groupie doesn't remove them from the game, it just stops them from posting in the thread - Therefore lynching groupie is the same as a no-lynch - Therefore Koshi is pushing the fact that a no-lynch is pro-town - Therefore Koshi is scum.
Now might be the time to explain how Moosy is 100% groupie.
Cause if you can't do that, your accusation is baseless.
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LOL Koshi
The braindead foundation
I like it p:
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On October 15 2015 18:51 Onegu wrote:
Onegu confirmed awake and now slowly reading the thread.
BTW I think Onegu is actually trolling us. That's several times he said "here catching up" and didn't do shit
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On October 15 2015 22:12 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 22:06 Rels wrote:On October 15 2015 18:51 Onegu wrote:
Onegu confirmed awake and now slowly reading the thread. BTW I think Onegu is actually trolling us. That's several times he said "here catching up" and didn't do shit And this is wrong, only said it once. <3
LOL I'm pretty sure half your posts is saying that (= let me check. Not that it means anything but it's fun.
On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.
Fuck this.
Onegu out.
Taking some pain meds and relaxing.
Back later to figure this game out.
On October 14 2015 10:28 Onegu wrote:
Took pain medicine feel asleep, now have busy day of travel. Should be back before deadline. But no promises. So fuck yal. Bwhahahahahaha.
But 4 reals <3 most of you. And will read the thread at some point I promise.
On October 15 2015 02:02 Onegu wrote:
Ok Onegu's home. Will attempt to read the thread and solve the game for you. Key word here is attempt as it is midnight and I have been out and busy all day.
On October 15 2015 04:45 Onegu wrote:
I fell asleep you are going to have to wait until n1 for me to catch up.
On October 15 2015 18:51 Onegu wrote:
Onegu confirmed awake and now slowly reading the thread.
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On October 15 2015 22:32 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 22:25 Rels wrote:On October 15 2015 22:12 Onegu wrote:On October 15 2015 22:06 Rels wrote:On October 15 2015 18:51 Onegu wrote:
Onegu confirmed awake and now slowly reading the thread. BTW I think Onegu is actually trolling us. That's several times he said "here catching up" and didn't do shit And this is wrong, only said it once. <3 LOL I'm pretty sure half your posts is saying that (= let me check. Not that it means anything but it's fun. On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.
Fuck this.
Onegu out.
Taking some pain meds and relaxing.
Back later to figure this game out. On October 14 2015 10:28 Onegu wrote:
Took pain medicine feel asleep, now have busy day of travel. Should be back before deadline. But no promises. So fuck yal. Bwhahahahahaha.
But 4 reals <3 most of you. And will read the thread at some point I promise. On October 15 2015 02:02 Onegu wrote:
Ok Onegu's home. Will attempt to read the thread and solve the game for you. Key word here is attempt as it is midnight and I have been out and busy all day. On October 15 2015 04:45 Onegu wrote:
I fell asleep you are going to have to wait until n1 for me to catch up. On October 15 2015 18:51 Onegu wrote:
Onegu confirmed awake and now slowly reading the thread. Yup only once do I say I am catching up, the one where I say I am awake and slowly reading. The others say I will attempt to read or will read at a certain point. <3 Now if I'm not caught up before day post then I will be a liar and I shall not be labeled a liar, so I am reading and will be caught up at some point in the next few hours. And you shan't be able to call me a liar. Shan't is such a underused word. Shan't!
You're such a master of the english language p:
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On October 15 2015 23:31 Koshi wrote:
HE ISN'T EVEN ASKING THAT MOOS GETS KILLED DURING NIGHT. IT IS FINE HE CAN USE HIS POWER. DECONDUO IS NOT EVEN SEARCHING FOR CROSSFIRE. DAFUQ.
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If deconduo is sure moosy is groupie he should be looking for the crossfire instead of wanting to lynch people disagreeing with his god read
Deconduo moosy is groupie. Who is his partner ?
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On October 15 2015 23:57 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote:
I don't really like the comments from Koshi/Tictock about "not taking responsibility". Why would you say that as town? To preserve your ego or something? Usually scum are more concerned about their credibility and launch those kinds of credibility-preserving lines when things are heated. Don't like this post either. With this setup like they can't know she was going to flip town, so it's like xata is trying to make them look bad...
Wow I missed that. That is very true.
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On October 16 2015 00:04 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 00:00 Rels wrote:On October 15 2015 23:57 Onegu wrote:On October 15 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote:
I don't really like the comments from Koshi/Tictock about "not taking responsibility". Why would you say that as town? To preserve your ego or something? Usually scum are more concerned about their credibility and launch those kinds of credibility-preserving lines when things are heated. Don't like this post either. With this setup like they can't know she was going to flip town, so it's like xata is trying to make them look bad... Wow I missed that. That is very true. Onegu doin work . Come get some!!!
Yes I actually think it is a super good find. Koshi and TT couldn't know copcake would flip town. So this comment is at best useless, and at worst an attempt to put suspicions on the both of them.
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On October 16 2015 05:15 Xatalos wrote:
Not sure I really understand your latest accusation, and it's starting to get a bit annoying. I mean... I never said that CopCake made a ton of sense as scum. She just had that spontaneous/genuine feel about her with her posting style as scum, same as here. So that's pretty inconclusive. What made me lean over to scum on her was how her reads just didn't make any logical sense. I couldn't understand how she could push those as town, and they were even more peculiar compared to her last scumgame, so... In any case, I don't really regret it. She wasn't even a role, and she would have been an anti-town element later on.
Frankly, you just seem to twist anything and everything about me in a negative light. Straight from my very first post. Either you're town in an extreme tunnel or just anti-town. Actually starting to lean a bit more towards anti-town since the tunnel has been so "pre-set" and static. In either case, it's getting harder for me to take you seriously.
I didn't read carefully the case, but the fact that you specifically poped up to defend yourself, not posting anything before or after, is suspicious.
Going to sleep now. Didn't have time today to analyze stuff, hell I glossed over these big posts at the end, so that's for tomorrow ... if I'm alive. Hopefully some not town will be flipped!
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nooooooes I was OK to keep playing )= )=
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Superbia I was sure you were a PR for this post:
On October 13 2015 20:00 Superbia wrote:
Oh yeah:
Claims post N1 need to be evaluated on their own.
I was thinking medic wouldn't protect you over TT or Koshi. I still don't understand why you protected yourself p: you did a big post at (what you thought was) deadline; TT made his before, Koshi made his after; man a kill + janitor on you would have been the perfect start. p:
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On October 16 2015 10:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Well Rels had some really scummy shit like "If you two guys dont talk i am gonna lynch you". then Onegu says "sorry bro no" Rels: "okay, well i am gonna lynch this bitch who wants to lynch me"
LOL yeah. Didn't want to lynch my buddy right ? p:
There is an explanation though. Just before I want to sleep, CopCake implied GB and Xata were scum together. It didn't make sense. Of course it didn't make her mafia, but town!Rels obviously didn't see that. p:
Yeah scum!Rels is really more tunneled than town!Rels.
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On October 16 2015 10:37 CopCake wrote:
I already explained you my read on rels on skype and you said "but people dont think like you"
If you SUSPECT SOMEONE
and then you say "brb gonna check"
then like 5 min later that person YOU SUSPECT ASKS YOU SOMETHING and you casually answer
then that IS SCUMMY, at least to me, because I am not nice with people who look scum in my eyes n_n miau
so yeah, I was right, and didnt even move my vote and lynched moosy to save my ass
and I was like yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh let's die so future games people will have patience enough and will try to listen to you even if you generally "not make sense"
I am basically a chesire cat irl.
My god you actually believed that ???? No wonder you got lynched p:
Go to this post where I suspect GB:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/495390-crossfire-mafia?page=11#203
Read the post just after.
Hop! I wasn't suspecting GB anymore, so I could answer his question.
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rayn and geript, no prob, thanks for hosting. It is a fun setup, would play again (=
rayn though, you have a "no host interaction policy", and I feel you mod-confirmed a few people as not crossfire, especially Koshi:
On October 16 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 08:16 Koshi wrote:
I also should be reading the OP apparently. Yes you should.
Any reason the gobble flip wasn't made in the day post ?
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On October 07 2015 08:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I now know how to read the Rels. Prepare for the tunnel in the next game we play together and you roll scum.
So ... now that it's proven false, care to tell me what it was ? p:
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On October 16 2015 16:51 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 16:33 Rels wrote:On October 07 2015 08:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I now know how to read the Rels. Prepare for the tunnel in the next game we play together and you roll scum. So ... now that it's proven false, care to tell me what it was ? p: Always lynching you D3 seems like a good strat ^.^ Greenchecks aren't good enough, your probably a natural GF too...
(=
Well played. Definitely towniest player in the game. I hope that stops you from thinking your play is bad :p
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deep
too deep for me
BTW your "No way he's scum 3 games in a row ..." is the worst reason ever p: it's the BH's way of being "100% right of the time, 20% of the time"
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I don't know if I agree with this self deprecating thing.
Being humble is important. Actually, not being egocentric is important to evolve, and being humble is a sign someone is not egocentric. But being self deprecating is also a sign of someone being egocentric IMO, just focusing on the bad parts on his persona.
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On October 16 2015 20:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2015 16:19 Rels wrote:On October 16 2015 10:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Well Rels had some really scummy shit like "If you two guys dont talk i am gonna lynch you". then Onegu says "sorry bro no" Rels: "okay, well i am gonna lynch this bitch who wants to lynch me" LOL yeah. Didn't want to lynch my buddy right ? p: There is an explanation though. Just before I want to sleep, CopCake implied GB and Xata were scum together. It didn't make sense. Of course it didn't make her mafia, but town!Rels obviously didn't see that. p: Yeah scum!Rels is really more tunneled than town!Rels. Some mafia resorts on unflipped association just because it is an easier way to fabricate reads. The fact that she scum read you and connected me to you, but went against ME instead of you was very scummy. Then she makes us mafia with Xatalos. And calls me mafia for "knowing she doesn't play like that as mafia" just because we played a game together. It WAS scummy and it is pretty damn telling it was, because 9 people voted her. And if any veteran come here and say it was town's fault, not hers, I must say that your hypocrisy reached a surprisingly high level. For the record, I'm not berating her, I'm defending the lynch on her this time, which wasn't bad AT ALL
Yeah but I thought she was town for the way she was behaving, totally different from the firefly game. I mean, if rayn had done exactly that, he was scum 100%; but not copcake. But that's a meta thing, I agree she was rightfully the lynch if we discard meta.
And she was 100% right about Slam. The way he handled the lynch made him 100% scum, I don't know how we all missed it somehow. "copcake is 100% town! Not gonna do anything about it though. Not even cause a no lynch to avoid lynching town." Super different from TT's and Koshi's "not sure about Copcake but I guess there are weird things about her"
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On October 16 2015 22:42 GlowingBear wrote:What is Isaac?
A great game. A super addictive roguelike made by the guy that made Super Meat Boy
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On October 19 2015 06:17 Koshi wrote:
What is the best way to find the secret room? I always thought it is the room connected to the most other rooms. But it has proven false a couple tiems already.
LOL yes. It's usually the most connected to the other room ... but sometimes it is not. This game is not a logical game. p:
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On October 19 2015 06:18 Koshi wrote:
Oh and how shitty as fuck are these new red chests. Holy fuck.
Pretty good actually. (= fair chance to get some items. If you ever have the left hand (a trinket that transform all chests you come across as red chests), you're super likely to become Guppy.
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On October 19 2015 19:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 06:17 Koshi wrote:
What is the best way to find the secret room? I always thought it is the room connected to the most other rooms. But it has proven false a couple tiems already. LOL yes. It's usually the most connected to the other room ... but sometimes it is not. This game is not a logical game. p:
BTW assuming you're playing rebirth (or did it get added in lamb ? Can't remember): there is second type of secret room that is always connected to (1) one (2)normal room. So it cant be connected to items, shops ... nothing that have an icon on the map. So it's usually pretty easy to find. So there are two secrets room per level.
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