Battle of the Drams Mafia

On September 29 2015 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

marv
J Roc

On September 29 2015 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Ls truffel and mooseybim really confident in being town. Moosey probably the weakest of those three.

On September 29 2015 08:56 Damdred wrote:
Ok since nobody cares neither GB or rayn should go in peoples town pile.

Rs is probably town.

On September 29 2015 08:58 rsoultin wrote:


you can talk to me :/ if you still think i'm mafia, you're kind of awful, tbh

On September 29 2015 09:07 Damdred wrote:


cause tone and being a bro

On September 29 2015 09:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Where do you stand on Trfel/Damdred/rsoultin?

On September 29 2015 09:10 rsoultin wrote:


truffle specifically is slow on the uptake

boring me, marv

On September 29 2015 09:17 rsoultin wrote:
marv, rayn read, go

On September 29 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote:
Yeah moosey but RS is a strong town read I think, you shouldn't have me above null I suppose

On September 29 2015 09:43 rsoultin wrote:


then it wasn't inconsequential and it was serious, now wasn't it? see i'm watching this pretty mislynch forming up and i'm seeing who is taking advantage, cause otherwise they have to shoot me ^^ it's still probably early for that, though

the soft scumreads still don't make me feel all warm and fuzzy about you, especially when you try to downplay them like you just did

On September 29 2015 17:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv, thoughts on truffle?

On September 29 2015 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv you're actually quite likely to be scum here.
There is a post that is horrible and you didn't say anything about it.

On September 29 2015 18:00 GlowingBear wrote:


Just read my accusations on him and tell me what you think of them

On September 29 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:


no marv. you literally know all this here is 100% bullshit, and considering this guy is a smurf you should be extremely concerned about what he says here. and you are not.

On September 29 2015 09:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:

No it wasn't serious because as you say, they're soft reads. And I literally can't downplay them further when they're as soft as can be.

Hmph. I'm also noticing you're responding rather acerbically to the posts that I'm making when you normally do not do so. Can't help shake off the feeling your enthusiasm this game has been kind of forced too.

On September 29 2015 10:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
To explain further: I don't see anything in your filter where you have a clear drive at where you're looking into which just happens to be a big tell for your scum game. You're also looking to make people feel like idiots about their own suspicions of you which tends to be how you discount arguments against you.

On September 29 2015 10:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
This answer sucks marv:

Explain further.

Anyone else around other than rsoultin?

J Roc may or may not be town.

On September 29 2015 18:29 Rels wrote:
@rayn marv told me the way to read him 100% after the witch mafia game
He told me that as town he is involved in everything, and he can't replicate that as mafia
Confirm ? If that's really the case then he will be an easy read at EOD

On September 29 2015 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

basically that's quite close to the truth.
here he is not involved in things he should be.

On September 29 2015 10:41 sicklucker wrote:
gb never makes sense as town tho. I have found him out as mafia multiple times and it was not something like this

On September 29 2015 10:45 rsoultin wrote:


he's town. whining about not being paid attention to is only in his town wheelhouse

On September 29 2015 12:38 Damdred wrote:
Let me break it down for you moosey,scum Marv can't be assed to defend himself and maybe incrimidate his partners if we load votes on him.

If he's town he cares 99999% more. So its better to figure it out at this poont

On September 29 2015 18:39 marvellosity wrote:

stupid, boring, incorrect meta

pathetic, damdred.

On September 29 2015 19:04 Damdred wrote:
Then vote me assholes, seriously fuck you both.

I'm so glad my mispgrase and me playing mafia is blatant shit and is warranted to tell me to quit playing mafia. Really glad

On September 29 2015 19:19 GlowingBear wrote:


To be fair you're doing something similar to Rsoultin

On September 29 2015 19:20 Damdred wrote:
And when has a cop check ever been needed to figure out my alignment? You were strangely uninvolved called me a prick and never even reacted to my explanations. It probably was a bad idea but it got me the read I needed early

On September 29 2015 19:30 Damdred wrote:
Besides that a no comment on rayn when he didn't do typical rayn things, totally polarizing view with very little verbal commitment to others. It was/is strange for you.

On September 29 2015 19:36 GlowingBear wrote:


No marv, you are voting RSOULTIN until she does something townie herself, which is the sole reason people are voting you

On September 29 2015 20:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because he had the only acceptable reaction to that shit read on me/sl from the game.

On September 29 2015 20:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv, supposedly rsoultin is town, who would you be voting instead?

On September 29 2015 20:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes it does, when you cut down bullshit from the thread.
Which you effectively failed to do while that is something you love to do..

On September 29 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well you can call it "interesting/uninteresting". The problem with you is it should have become interesting for you the moment the guy claims he is one of the best players in reading rsoultin.

On September 29 2015 21:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I entered the game to 10 pages of banter already established. I decided it would be more helpful to direct the thread seriously which I ended up doing. I mean, I did decide to make my painkiller post for your benefit and anyone else that was looking for standard crazy Moosy.

On September 29 2015 21:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The problem with this game isn't so much that there are no scum reads, it's that there are too many people I'm not townreading.

- marv is town
- Rels is town
- Damdred is town
- Lightningstrike is town

Only people I'm certain of at this point.

Oh yeah, GB is town lean. hm...rayn is scum lean.

On September 29 2015 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I sheeped Damdred because I was unsure about you. Looking at your posts during the time I was gone, I think you're town now.

On September 29 2015 21:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I would sheep Damdred because I don’t know your meta and he seems to know it. Besides, it’s not like the vote is permanent.

On September 29 2015 21:49 Rels wrote:
Do I see Damdred listing townreads ?
Something he didn't do last game as mafia ???
marv you are definitely wrong on him (=

On September 29 2015 22:00 Rels wrote:

LOL
good job on never being wrong p:

On September 29 2015 22:03 Damdred wrote:


I think rayn has a few issues.

1) He missed on a inconsistency with GB that RS pointed out early on and never commented on it.
2) He called me out on what he perceives to be a lie since I am in the game I was referring to and yet didn't tunnel me.
3) isn't as balanced as he normally is

and yea he isn't quite as fiery as I expect. But hr could be busy which makes it nai

It is scum indicative 'cause mafia do exactly that; they decide who to scumread and who to townread for strategic purposes, then look for things that makes their targets townie or scummy.

On September 29 2015 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Trfel does that as mafia. I have not seen it like this "easily" but that's exactly the reason i caught him in that one game which name i forgot, the game where he was mafia with rsoultin & Hopeless.

On September 29 2015 23:19 Rels wrote:

hopefully the 10% will happen around deadlines

On September 29 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:

oooo I thought you were talking about deconduo's read!!
Yeah if he scumread ruxxar all game, the sentence "I need to look closer at ruxxar" makes 0 sense. It is not exactly what's happening this game (Trfel didn't forget why he was scumreading rsoultin; he dismissed it, then found another reason) but it's similar! Perfect (=

On September 30 2015 00:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If I am honest, I am a bit scared of coolTLname. He is someone to keep an eye on.

On September 30 2015 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm maybe sicklucker is mafia after all.

On September 30 2015 00:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I mean what I say. If you don't understand what I'm saying then you're not taking it at face value.

On September 30 2015 00:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:

We were talking about coolTLname and I thought that I'd share my thoughts on him. So why are you trying to shut me down?


I thought I was Mafia.

On September 30 2015 00:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:

How exactly? What does that phrase imply for you?

On September 30 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote:

because you didn't have any thoughts, they were empty words that said nothing

On September 30 2015 00:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I have succeeded in making marv angry. My initiation into TL Mafia is complete.

On September 30 2015 02:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:

-cough- marv literally voted me because I was being a dick and he refused to read into my posts.

On September 30 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

And you do not believe it would have lead it into me being lynched when i was the ONLY opposing wagon?

On September 30 2015 10:05 rsoultin wrote:
i really like shining's ls read cause that's my issue with him, too >>

On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote:


eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication

On September 30 2015 18:17 sicklucker wrote:
marv plz dont make me read her filter this mornin

On September 30 2015 11:12 Trfel wrote:
No, that's a bad way to think about things.

If you don't have reasons to lynch someone, don't lynch them. If you don't have any reasons to lynch anyone, look harder.

Do you have any reasons to lynch sicklucker?

On September 30 2015 09:59 rsoultin wrote:


stronger read on you and marv, but i think so

he's being malleable which is more a town trait of his...malleable for rayn, anyway

i know that the scott vote contradicts that lol ><

On September 30 2015 09:21 rsoultin wrote:

ye that was about it, other than agree with marv 100% on the semantics argument earlier not as interesting as you think it was rayn lol ><

strong townreads
damdy
rayn
marv

On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote:
eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication

On September 30 2015 18:32 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't see how that questioning revokes her town read on you. Could you break it down to my humble mind to understand?

On September 30 2015 18:34 GlowingBear wrote:
By the time stamps, that questioning comes 2 hours later. I could see a townie reevaluating her reads...

On September 30 2015 18:35 GlowingBear wrote:


To be fair, I think he is far too polite to do that as town and would do that as Mafia because he is already deceiving people

On September 30 2015 12:20 Trfel wrote:
See this is what I don't understand about raynpelikoneet...

He knows that justanothertownie is of the opinion that raynpelikoneet's bus in XXX Mafia was unnecessary. Right or wrong (I didn't read the game), there is debate over it, and justanothertownie is clearly opposed to raynpelikoneet.

So if it is justanothertownie, and he is town, it's natural for him to have this same view?

On September 30 2015 18:38 GlowingBear wrote:


Maybe I don't know him anymore but I've played a ton of games with him.

Is that the only reason you have to call him town?

On September 30 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
dododo

recreating town circles

-gathers truffle, shining and damdy into the fold- ^^

brain trust! \o/

not lynching moosy, rayn or sl today...i think i'll add cool here...he smells of newbie newness

ye i'm being female...so sue me

i think i actually want to lynch into rels, marv and scott

on whims, magic, and gut feels

On September 30 2015 18:40 GlowingBear wrote:


And why am I Mafia for that list?

On September 30 2015 12:41 rsoultin wrote:


it's not magic

it's lack-of-moving-forwardness and focusing-on-weird-shitedness

but i'm calling it magic cause long-ass hyphenated generalized words are a pain

essentially i'm accusing marv of being a non-entity

i may remove rels from the lynch into list, tbh...i have some ehs about him but i dunnae after reading his filter through

On September 30 2015 18:47 GlowingBear wrote:
I think I agree with you about rsoultin to be honest

On September 30 2015 13:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:

The thing is that GB is playing totally different than the scum games I had with him. In them he was super ADHD and bouncing everywhere and all over the place. Here he seems more collected and focused. I do admit a lot of his posts, especially the banter ones, are forced and I did point it out before.

hm...

On September 29 2015 09:07 marvellosity wrote:

what have you done that is so townie you would call someone awful for not townreading you?

On September 29 2015 09:10 marvellosity wrote:

your calling people awful and calling stuff boring just makes you look scummy

On September 29 2015 17:49 marvellosity wrote:

^ mafia paranoia

On September 29 2015 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
i'm just gonna tunnel rsoultin till she makes posts she can't make as mafia, which she always does as town

she has not yet.

On September 30 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:
mm that rsoultin stuff is damning
going to finish catching up then will fact check your posts
if she really turned around her read on you based on nothing, she's probably mafia running out of targets to scumread

On September 30 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mmm.. agreed on rsoultin

On September 30 2015 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think you are town, have thought so after i said "fair enough".

On September 30 2015 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The truth is i haven't paid any attention to what rsoultin actually says due to me thinking she is mafia anyways based on last couple of games. If this game had happened a month ago i would have been all yelling to her for the "Damdred's conclusion is factually correct".

Then this morning i read ten pages of absolute nonsense and decided to not give any fucks anymore. The only thing i got out of that shit is that shining is town and sl is most likely town. Everything else was jsut "tone yadda yadda" and LS posting nonsense while not having read the thread at all. Like i don't even know why i am supposed to put effort into games when noone else fucking does. It's really annoying. I can't stand for example Trfel complaining about "how hard the game is, wow there are no reads to make kthxbye" and then doing jack shit and going into pointless arguments with sl.

Maybe i'll play now because it seems like at least marv and rels are playing.

##unvote
##vote rsoultin

On September 30 2015 19:56 Rels wrote:
Still think Trfel's rsoultin read is weird, but no way Trfel and rsoultin are scum together.

##Unvote
##Vote rsoultin

On September 30 2015 19:58 rsoultin wrote:
okay so i am not mafia

if you are town, marv, the omgus is ridiculous, but i'm still not convinced that you are

rayn, though...is actually giving me the worst vibes out of all this lol

On September 30 2015 20:00 rsoultin wrote:


nope this is the definition of it if you're town

On September 30 2015 20:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It wasn't actually that funky. It was just... a toneread both ways and it looked, while bad, not scummy (at least at that time).
This game is quite different. It's like... Trfel for some reason cannot decide what alignment he should come to as a conclusion regarding rsoultin. It's just... flip-floppy.

On September 30 2015 20:00 rsoultin wrote:
so to the townies who for some reason think that me going hey, i'm not sure that marv is actually town and trying to get people to look at and talk about him, is likely to come from a scum rsoul

whatcha gonna do when i flip town? xP

On September 30 2015 20:02 rsoultin wrote:


lol so what about my posts at the beginning were so "mafia" marv, and when i flip town what do you think about rayn's posts right now?:

On September 30 2015 20:05 rsoultin wrote:
okay so i'm not going to talk to marv anymore lol

if he is town the omgus is real

keep in mind, townies, that scum will push this lynch if not now, later, cause i'm almost never mislynched and this is like a gift for them

should get some fun reads out of it ^^

On September 30 2015 20:07 rsoultin wrote:


mostly just his reaction to the votes seemed pretty townie because of anger to me...i also liked some of his other stray comments later, but i don't think he actually did anything to progress the thread on further reflection

plus the whole the vote stays unless you say something that only town rsoul could say just is really ridiculous for a push on anyone

On September 29 2015 18:27 marvellosity wrote:

^ my case

On September 30 2015 20:17 GlowingBear wrote:


He said he is 100% sure on you and he is Marv; also, I don't like your read progression on him but I agree with your suspicions on him; also, he is driving the lunch away from truffle; also, he is not willing to discuss anyone else, he simply wants you to be Mafia.

So yeah. I have plenty of reasons to vote Marv if you flip green

On September 30 2015 20:26 GlowingBear wrote:


You're driving away the lynch of a guy I'm certain is Mafia. You know it's ok to be suspicious of that.

On September 30 2015 20:26 rsoultin wrote:


lol i do it as both alignments which again i maintain that you're fully aware of ^^

or are you going to argue that?

On September 30 2015 20:38 rsoultin wrote:
also i think we have scum in rels tbh, based on people's reactions to marv's "case" that wasn't a case and rels' push on truffle all game lol

On September 30 2015 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So let's see;
You had literally said your strongest townreads are Damdred and marvellosity.
That, by default means marv has done some things you consider to be extremely town, otherwise you are just plain out lying.

Now, marv does not post anything after that post (where you call him town) before you call him your #2 mafia read.
Some examples:

"LS didn't do anything to make my opinion on him change"


"sl did some things that make him less likely to be mafia (not town to be exact), so it apparently overrides my #2 townread in towniness"


"this null read on cool also overrides my #2 townread in towniness".


yeah there was nothing townie moosy did, that also overrides #2 townread in towniness.

---

Like, unless you are just straight out throwing out conclusions out of your head without even thinking about anything for one second, you are just straight out lying.

When you townread someone for any reason, the townread does just not vanish. If it did because "other people looked more town", well there is nothing you just said that suggests you are telling the truth.

On September 30 2015 20:41 rsoultin wrote:
bueno okay i see the disconnect actually...

no rayn

i'm saying that i did run out of scumreads and i went back to reevaluate based on that and didn't think that marv's reaction to the votes was strong enough to merit the strong townread i gave him originally for it

clear now?

On September 30 2015 20:48 rsoultin wrote:


marv's case is demonstrably false by my role pm lol

moreover i've explained it more than adequately from a townie mindset. address what in my explanation doesn't make sense

explain how trfel's read progression on me is weird given the knowledge that only the posts you quoted were serious from him

and i expect mafia to capitalize on what is most likely a town marv pushing on a town rsoul; we're kind of the defalut nks along with rayn in this game xP it's obvious that mislynching any of us would be fucking brilliant for scum

On September 30 2015 22:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:

you are understandably refusing to read rsoultin's cancer explanation posts on her reads. unfortunately, you're wrong about her, but they are quite difficult to read through.

On September 30 2015 22:23 rsoultin wrote:


you really are -_- and i wish you'd actually help find scum instead of parking on this

On September 30 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote:


i donno trefel did an equally scummy thing. He said he went back and found reasons to scum read me and then he later said he was not caught up in the thread so therefor he could not have acualy read them. All while trying to deflect onto me

On September 30 2015 22:25 rsoultin wrote:


for someone who knows he can be wrong, you're acting very idiotic right now

fine go be useless -shoos-

On September 30 2015 22:26 sicklucker wrote:


i would sheep marv on you in a heartbeat just because hes marv not because I accrual know whats going on. but I would still prefer my lynch

On September 30 2015 22:26 rsoultin wrote:


as i'm town and you're refusing to reevaluate or look for any other scum

you are

by definition

being extremely useless ^^

On September 30 2015 22:31 rsoultin wrote:


so?

you're still wrong ^^

you're still biased ^^

you're still not even remotely thinking about why a scum rsoul would ever do this

On September 30 2015 22:33 rsoultin wrote:
he also has multiple times never caught me when i'm scum...he also was scumreading me or at least suspecting me in ippo

he by no means is the authority on reading me by any stretch of the imagination

more importantly, this is CLEARLY a reaction to my scumreading him without evaluating the town vs. scum motivation for doing so, cause if he was being unbiased he'd see there is no scum motivation for this

On September 30 2015 22:34 sicklucker wrote:
lol marv has a 70 page filter in this game WUT DA FAWK

On September 30 2015 22:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Actually, where is Rels. What do you think about rsoultin?

On September 30 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote:
like seriously...he was right on me LATE my first scumgame after realizing i'd hard pocketed him...i was previously his top town

that is the only time i'd say is comparable to this one and it's not remotely similar? just because the one time he tunneled me he was right doesn't make him right now @.@ he's not one of the better players at reading me by a longshot. course there really aren't any lol

the point is actually evaluate his case and decide from there

his case is just that i changed my read on him and nitnoidisms from earlier that he'd already dropped and were tonal

it's not a case on scum, and it's not strong, but regardless you should want to evaluate it for yourself @.@

On September 30 2015 22:48 rsoultin wrote:
also literally EVERY SINGLE TIME you attempt to use the "i'm never certain on anyone so this says something" argument like you did in gaiden

it's not a real argument

your case is still weak as shit

other mafia, go

On September 30 2015 23:03 Rels wrote:

'cause your case is based on the fact that she townread you, then scumread you when you made no posts in between

On September 30 2015 23:07 Rels wrote:

OK true. That was my interpretation of the case. Then all this talking about rsoultin townreading you earlier means nothing

On September 30 2015 23:10 rsoultin wrote:
you are literally scumreading me for changing my read

that is it

that is your whole case

On September 30 2015 18:34 marvellosity wrote:

no, not really. if you can't see it, i don't care. i'm probably not gonna get her lynched anyway.

but making me her top town (or one of two at least, going by the first post) into questioniing what i've been pushing, and specifically SAYING TO DAMDRED THAT DAMDRED THINKS I AM LOCK TOWN. well no - so does she according to her posts... why is she putting this on damdred?

she's asking her top townread about her other top townread saying her top townread is doing asinine things and bleh

On September 30 2015 19:00 marvellosity wrote:
Just to make it clear exactly why my suspicions were aroused on rsoultin, in posts that literally no-one can have missed at the start of my filter:





yet rsoultin describes my push as asinine because it was only about wanting her to post stuff she only does as town.

Well, yes, of course, but it's pretty obvious from what came before that isn't why i put her vote on her. I put my vote on her BEFORE i made the comment about making townie posts

QED

On September 30 2015 19:03 marvellosity wrote:
also, the fact remains that rsoultin hasn't made a single post that she can't make as mafia. i'd be happy for someone to prove me wrong, but "tone" isn't good enough.

On September 30 2015 19:11 marvellosity wrote:
The massive switch is definitely part of it. It's also the way it's framed. Putting the responsibility on Damdred for Damdred's hard townread on me when she previously supposedly had one. My posts being good enough for a top 2 townread into describing me as a non-entity. Describing her vote on me as having had the desired reaction because it made me react and look town (where did that go?). [b]Describing my push on her at the start of the game in a way that puts what I did in a very bad light, and a very incorrect light.

I would think if she was suddenly suspicious of me (as town) she would at least have CHECKED, cursorily, the reasons for my mafiaread on her at the start of the game, but no. Instead it's "asinine" (when it wasn't)

On September 30 2015 23:54 rsoultin wrote:


i agree

like i think your push on me marv was one of the most obviously townie things you've done all game

this if he's wrong i'll push him thing was at best awful

On October 01 2015 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and this post proves it.

On October 01 2015 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv GB is most likely not mafia. You would be surprised how dumb he can be sometimes.

On October 01 2015 00:30 rsoultin wrote:
ye he's emotionally inept as scum

like super robotic

town damdy pouts and rages and grrs and more importantly gb tunneled him for this very reason in a prior game and raged at him after for "behaving badly" so he 100% knows that damdy can do all of this as town

On October 01 2015 00:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol am i the only one who can see what's happening here?

On October 01 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:


It may be on me, but I find it pretty reasonable to want to lunch you day2 when I cannot have a clear read on you and you lead a lynch on a possible townie when you're goddamn Marv without considering discussing other people, ESPECIALLY when the counter wagon is my strongest scum read

On October 01 2015 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

last time someone told me this they were scum and shot me right after on a bright D1.
sorry, i still don't do that. :/