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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 12:28 GMT
#3501
So from what i have gathered from N1 and D2 (partly from D1 aswell) from you rsoultin is this:

- You didn't give any fucks about coolTLname when you imo should have. I am speaking of N1 here, you even went on defending him with factually incorrect argument. (see what i did there?) It's scummy.

- The way you "look into people further" is scummy. You are under pressure, marv says GB might be mafia -> suddenly there is a case (and a vote) on GB from you while you didn't care about the things you found him scummy for earlier, at all. sl brings up the voting behavior and I start discussing it with him on D2. Rels and Shining are under questioning for that -> suddenly you come up with "now i am looking into Rels/Shining" and you come to a conclusion that Rels looks really bad and shining is town, you don't even touch this voting behavior thing at all... Hmm no, actually that is not scummy, that is super scummy.

- You do voting analysis; you miss the most easily notable thing to you. That is scummy.

That was your N1 -> D2.

I think you are mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 12:30 GMT
#3502
On October 03 2015 21:25 rsoultin wrote:
like you can insist that i should never have suspected him in the first place, but honestly the same could be said for him. the reverse is true, is it not? if he's town and i'm scum shouldn't scum be piling on him? including me? yet he suspected me anyway

The reverse isn't true in any way, because you (mafia) and coolTLname (mafia) suddenly ended up on GlowingBear (town).
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:31 GMT
#3503
On October 03 2015 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So from what i have gathered from N1 and D2 (partly from D1 aswell) from you rsoultin is this:

- You didn't give any fucks about coolTLname when you imo should have. I am speaking of N1 here, you even went on defending him with factually incorrect argument. (see what i did there?) It's scummy.

- The way you "look into people further" is scummy. You are under pressure, marv says GB might be mafia -> suddenly there is a case (and a vote) on GB from you while you didn't care about the things you found him scummy for earlier, at all. sl brings up the voting behavior and I start discussing it with him on D2. Rels and Shining are under questioning for that -> suddenly you come up with "now i am looking into Rels/Shining" and you come to a conclusion that Rels looks really bad and shining is town, you don't even touch this voting behavior thing at all... Hmm no, actually that is not scummy, that is super scummy.

- You do voting analysis; you miss the most easily notable thing to you. That is scummy.

That was your N1 -> D2.

I think you are mafia.


tbh i didn't actually do voting analysis, just filter reads lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 12:33 GMT
#3504
On October 03 2015 11:54 rsoultin wrote:
okay here's my problem

like, i'm down to moosy and trfel

and moosy/gb/rels are almost never ever going to be scum with cool...sicklucker seems rather unlikely as well given even though he didn't push as much on cool as the other three, the only one left is truffle and he did push hard on him

basically, to believe in a cool = mafia world, you have to believe that he's being bussed since d1 @.@ or that his two scummates for whatever reason decided to attack each other in the middle of the day phase

it's just not very likely, is it?

idk, care to explain what for example this post is if not voting analysis?
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:38 GMT
#3505
On September 30 2015 19:59 KelsierSC wrote:
Day 1 Recall List


Trfel (4): GlowingBear, Rels. scott31337, LightningStrike, sicklucker
rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Rels
marvellosity (0): rsoultin, Damdred, MoosyDoosy
raynpelikoneet (1): coolTLname
MoosyDoosy (0): marvellosity
scott31337 (0): raynpelikoneet, sicklucker

Not listing (4): The Shining, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, rsoultin

Tonight, I will be banning Trfel permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.

Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.




but if we want to do voting analysis, rayn, we can

if you think trfel is town and i am scum here, when he got all his votes prior to people voting for me, you have to assume either all my scum team was already voting for him and i still didn't vote for him to save myself, or that my scumteam didn't vote for him to save me

the votes from the day phase make it clear that if trfel is scum there is no possible way for me to be scum without my scumteam massively bussing me/me not saving myself

gb moved off trfel so he's unlikely to be my scum buddy

that leaves ls and sl

so literally your only POSSIBLE world can't include cool if i'm scum. it has to be ls and sl and you have to assume that i wouldn't vote to save myself as scum

^^

feel free to admit i'm town at any point lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:39 GMT
#3506
On October 03 2015 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 11:54 rsoultin wrote:
okay here's my problem

like, i'm down to moosy and trfel

and moosy/gb/rels are almost never ever going to be scum with cool...sicklucker seems rather unlikely as well given even though he didn't push as much on cool as the other three, the only one left is truffle and he did push hard on him

basically, to believe in a cool = mafia world, you have to believe that he's being bussed since d1 @.@ or that his two scummates for whatever reason decided to attack each other in the middle of the day phase

it's just not very likely, is it?

idk, care to explain what for example this post is if not voting analysis?


this was looking at their reads, rayn. they were all pushing cool...some more than others. if you're assuming no bussing cool can't be scum, so you have to assume there was bussing to say he is scum

or that one of my townreads not pushing cool i'm wrongly townreading...i didn't look into that as closely but i'm pretty sure those are few and far between
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 12:39 GMT
#3507
nope. it doesn't work that way when the other wagon is pushed by GlowingBear and you are pushed by marv/rayn.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:40 GMT
#3508
On October 03 2015 21:38 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 19:59 KelsierSC wrote:
Day 1 Recall List


Trfel (4): GlowingBear, Rels. scott31337, LightningStrike, sicklucker
rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Rels
marvellosity (0): rsoultin, Damdred, MoosyDoosy
raynpelikoneet (1): coolTLname
MoosyDoosy (0): marvellosity
scott31337 (0): raynpelikoneet, sicklucker

Not listing (4): The Shining, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, rsoultin

Tonight, I will be banning Trfel permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.

Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.




but if we want to do voting analysis, rayn, we can

if you think trfel is town and i am scum here, when he got all his votes prior to people voting for me, you have to assume either all my scum team was already voting for him and i still didn't vote for him to save myself, or that my scumteam didn't vote for him to save me

the votes from the day phase make it clear that if trfel is scum there is no possible way for me to be scum without my scumteam massively bussing me/me not saving myself

gb moved off trfel so he's unlikely to be my scum buddy

that leaves ls and sl

so literally your only POSSIBLE world can't include cool if i'm scum. it has to be ls and sl and you have to assume that i wouldn't vote to save myself as scum

^^

feel free to admit i'm town at any point lol


sorry, this should say that if trfel is town, not scum

if we're scum together this could happen
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:41 GMT
#3509
On October 03 2015 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
nope. it doesn't work that way when the other wagon is pushed by GlowingBear and you are pushed by marv/rayn.


explain how it doesn't?

are you just assuming that i wouldn't try to save myself as scum? or that you and marv are so magical the scum team gives up because you're pushing someone? lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 12:43 GMT
#3510
I am not going to argue with you on this because it doesn't help at all.
You are scum and i don't argue with scum.

You can read my case on N2.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:45 GMT
#3511
why does it make sense to you that a scumteam of cool and rsoul would look for a wagon outside trfel instead of just voting for trfel? if cool is scum with me he has two good options. do what will actually keep me from being lynched: i.e. vote trfel, or buss me for credit. he did neither

you literally have to think the scum team is ls, sl and me for this to make sense, and you also literally have to think that i chose not to try to save myself by voting trfel and instead tried to build a different wagon

these are not logical things for a scum being wagoned to do

you're reads are clearly wrong somewhere, rayn
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:46 GMT
#3512
On October 03 2015 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not going to argue with you on this because it doesn't help at all.
You are scum and i don't argue with scum.

You can read my case on N2.


no, i want you to present your logic, because i don't see how you can think this works from the viewpoint of vca?

a response like this just seems like you don't have an answer but want to cling to your scumread anyway lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 12:47 GMT
#3513
Because anyone who is scum (when rsoultin is scum here) who voted for Trfel looks like absolute garbade if rsoultin flips. Which is quite likely in case marv/rayn are pushing her.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:48 GMT
#3514
#tunneledrayn2015

trfel and i are always the same alignment here

ezgameezlyfe lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 12:48 GMT
#3515
So instead they most likely ignored the push (shining), or are bad (coolTLname).
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:49 GMT
#3516
On October 03 2015 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because anyone who is scum (when rsoultin is scum here) who voted for Trfel looks like absolute garbade if rsoultin flips. Which is quite likely in case marv/rayn are pushing her.


mm maybe, but that still doesn't explain why i didn't vote for trfel, does it?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 12:51 GMT
#3517
On October 03 2015 21:49 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because anyone who is scum (when rsoultin is scum here) who voted for Trfel looks like absolute garbade if rsoultin flips. Which is quite likely in case marv/rayn are pushing her.


mm maybe, but that still doesn't explain why i didn't vote for trfel, does it?

huh.. because you hard townread him, so you literally can't.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:51 GMT
#3518
On October 03 2015 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So instead they most likely ignored the push (shining), or are bad (coolTLname).


only if they're stupid?

if they're that concerned about looking bad if i flip and that certain that i will flip, they should be bussing me, not ignoring me

how do you explain that shining pushed hard on cool instead? (he didn't ignore the push, either; he had a townread on me. that's not the same thing)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 03 2015 12:52 GMT
#3519
On October 03 2015 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 21:49 rsoultin wrote:
On October 03 2015 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because anyone who is scum (when rsoultin is scum here) who voted for Trfel looks like absolute garbade if rsoultin flips. Which is quite likely in case marv/rayn are pushing her.


mm maybe, but that still doesn't explain why i didn't vote for trfel, does it?

huh.. because you hard townread him, so you literally can't.


i literally can?

it's as simple as "i know i'm town and trfel could be scum so i'm going to vote for him" and no one would fault me for that, rayn
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 12:55 GMT
#3520
no no, you don't even believe that yourself.
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