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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 01 2015 12:05 GMT
#2521
On October 01 2015 21:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
lol rsoul, I abstained explaining this to coolTLname because I thought it was fairly obvious but if you can't see this, then there's a clear problem here. When rayn + marv started questioning you about your disconnect in reads on marv, I purposely talked about other stuff and stayed out of the thread because I was interested to see how you would react to the pressure. I picked up on it and was going to question you but marv barged into the thread so I decided to let him take over.

yeah like it was really easy to see what you were doing.
but please do not do it again, it's dumb.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 01 2015 12:06 GMT
#2522
Actually, the longer this goes on, the more uncertain of you that I get rsoul. I feel like you should be drawing some conclusions out of EoD but all I see is you posting a useless list post basically saying how uncertain you are. Lack of direction much?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 01 2015 12:08 GMT
#2523
fuck forgot to buy smokes.

brb, jsut because this scumNAMEtlguy likes it.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 01 2015 12:12 GMT
#2524
On October 01 2015 18:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ofc Damdred is town, there is no question about it.

Would we really have gotten two 1 shot trackers though?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 01 2015 12:18 GMT
#2525
On October 01 2015 21:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 18:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ofc Damdred is town, there is no question about it.

Would we really have gotten two 1 shot trackers though?

yes we can

and that's not what he claimed after all

not gonna explain, go back and read it again
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 01 2015 12:19 GMT
#2526
On October 01 2015 21:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 18:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ofc Damdred is town, there is no question about it.

Would we really have gotten two 1 shot trackers though?

I don't care about that.
I care about the fact that if he is fakeclaiming here he has to be mafia with coolTLname, right?
Okay let's assume this is true. He fakeclaims and scott gets lynched. What happens next?
If Damdred does not die during the night he is very very likely to be mafia. coolTLname will most likely die on D2 anyways (like everyone realizes this)... Instead of bussing he decides to make himself look like shit when he is townread by basically everyone in the game..

why? It doesn't make any sense.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 01 2015 12:19 GMT
#2527
On October 01 2015 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically i don't think marv's case on you does make you 100% scum. But i do know that when marv is so confident in his argument he is 100% town, and when he is town AND that confident he is probably right, even if i do not see it. I hadn't read your posts properly before that, for the reasons you i have outlined earlier. When i saw the case i did go back and read your posts.

What stuck out to me was this (why i think you are scum - MY CASE, regardless of marv's);
1) your read change on marv doesn't make logically any sense (in fact this is realted to his case aswell).

When you started arguing about his case, i also scumread you for;
2) your arguments were terrible, and didn't address anything he said, you just yelled "omgus omgus".

When i presented my case (1), you could not reasonable explain yourself, in fact you didn't explain anything at all, which makes (3).

Later on you scumread (or "scumread" i don't even fucking know what the read is besides "itchy") me for "not interacting with me, when you have had ZERO interest in trying to interact with me, while i DO have a reason to not interact with you, as i have explained. The only point where you have interacted with me before that, was when you 100% incorrectly "figured out Damdred's post is factually correct". Bullshit. Then you whine about you not having a read on me when you don't even try to get a read on me how you, as per your own words, read me best; by interacting with me. That would be (4).

(5) your push on GlowingBear is scummy as explained before.

(6) you twist things into looking like something they are not, you are not being clear and you don't even try to be clear.

(7) you don't have any scumreads (until you are being lynched).


see the thing about most if not all of these points is they're all subjective?

1. read change makes no logical sense. it does, actually, you simply do not believe that i reevaluated. reevaluating when you have too many townreads and coming to a new conclusion is not illogical at all. it's how everyone plays the game

2. i do think that a lot of marv's reaction was omgus because he was fine with me immediately beforehand...he reacted similarly here to trfel and reacts similarly in a lot of his town games when called scum. it's a natural reaction. i admit that i didn't give his early scumreads enough weight even if they're incorrect...i thought they were little issues he was having. that were more suspicions than anything and it made the "post something you could only post as town" seem arbitrary

3. subjective. i already explained 1 multiple times and others understood. rels. marv. etc. I don't think there's a problem with my explanation and you haven't shown how it's illogical that i recall. you just kept saying that it was

4. my way of reading you is that you're more interactive with players as a whole, not my personal reactions to you. so this isn't true even if i can see why you might get this confused. i also said i agreed about the unnecessary bussing, but what damdred actually said was factual. there's nothing wrong in either statement. it was a fact that you bussed your team as he said. i agreed with you that it wasn't unnecessary. this is, again, something i can see you hinging on but it's not very good, rayn

5. my push on gb i believe was wrong now but i fail to see how it was scummy. elaborate?

6. proof, please

7. this is obviously untrue when the reason people were trying to lynch me was for my scumreads, and #5, etc. etc. i don't see how you can say this and believe it, frankly

so like...here's my problem. you arbitrarily state that my explanation was illogical without saying why. others are fine with that explanation so i don't know what your issue with it actually is

you claim i have no scumreads when i was being pushed for my scumreads

you've made other claims that just don't line up throughout the game, like you'd explained your read on gb when you hadn't and that i wasn't active when the lynch came off me, when i was

i don't know whether you're just tunneled and being really nonsensical or you're scum here. i'll reread your filter closer later

going to class now
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 01 2015 12:22 GMT
#2528
rsoultin is definitely mafia.
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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 01 2015 12:23 GMT
#2529
On October 01 2015 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 21:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 01 2015 18:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ofc Damdred is town, there is no question about it.

Would we really have gotten two 1 shot trackers though?

I don't care about that.
I care about the fact that if he is fakeclaiming here he has to be mafia with coolTLname, right?
Okay let's assume this is true. He fakeclaims and scott gets lynched. What happens next?
If Damdred does not die during the night he is very very likely to be mafia. coolTLname will most likely die on D2 anyways (like everyone realizes this)... Instead of bussing he decides to make himself look like shit when he is townread by basically everyone in the game..

why? It doesn't make any sense.

mmmm....ok.

If you could respond to rsoul's question about what your original basis for scumreading her for was?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 01 2015 12:23 GMT
#2530
I did.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 01 2015 12:24 GMT
#2531
On October 01 2015 21:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Actually, the longer this goes on, the more uncertain of you that I get rsoul. I feel like you should be drawing some conclusions out of EoD but all I see is you posting a useless list post basically saying how uncertain you are. Lack of direction much?


it's not useless

it wasn't just how you reacted to the push on me, you seemed to be off in your own little world during the formation of the other wagons, and even though i asked you if you were townreading gb and trfel which were my counterwagons, and to explain why, you never did

what you were doing was essentially irrelevant to the entire latter part of the day phase except by accident i think with cool since that train built later, but then you disappeared right around the lynch

i'm not sure why town, even pushing their own agenda, doesn't at least address other things going on in the thread instead of talking into the ether. you did this with cake your last scum game and it makes me very wary of you
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 01 2015 12:27 GMT
#2532
On October 01 2015 21:24 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 21:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Actually, the longer this goes on, the more uncertain of you that I get rsoul. I feel like you should be drawing some conclusions out of EoD but all I see is you posting a useless list post basically saying how uncertain you are. Lack of direction much?


it's not useless

it wasn't just how you reacted to the push on me, you seemed to be off in your own little world during the formation of the other wagons, and even though i asked you if you were townreading gb and trfel which were my counterwagons, and to explain why, you never did

what you were doing was essentially irrelevant to the entire latter part of the day phase except by accident i think with cool since that train built later, but then you disappeared right around the lynch

i'm not sure why town, even pushing their own agenda, doesn't at least address other things going on in the thread instead of talking into the ether. you did this with cake your last scum game and it makes me very wary of you

There's a pretty clear difference between my scum game and this game. I don't think I really need to explain it.

hm...I mean I did start the coolTLname train so I guess I started something relevant and not joined it.

Also, I was nowhere near irrelevant in the latter Day phase, I was just steering clear of rsoul vs marv/rayn. When that cooled down, you can see me being active lol.

let's see...as for my absence that's always around the time i go home so I always leave 1 hr before deadline and come back a bit afterwards. If you doubt it, you can look at my other games where the same thing more or less happens.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 01 2015 12:28 GMT
#2533
well regardless it makes more sense to lynch cool first if you think that damdy might have claimed to protect cool...at least if that's the only reason you're scumreading damdy

but rayn's assessment is mostly correct, apart from it excluding the fact that cool didn't appear to be here to cc so there actually is a scum motivation for damdy to do so maybe...i don't think damdred is scum independent of all this claim business but it's not like he's lock town solely for the cc either
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 01 2015 12:29 GMT
#2534
On October 01 2015 21:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 21:24 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 21:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Actually, the longer this goes on, the more uncertain of you that I get rsoul. I feel like you should be drawing some conclusions out of EoD but all I see is you posting a useless list post basically saying how uncertain you are. Lack of direction much?


it's not useless

it wasn't just how you reacted to the push on me, you seemed to be off in your own little world during the formation of the other wagons, and even though i asked you if you were townreading gb and trfel which were my counterwagons, and to explain why, you never did

what you were doing was essentially irrelevant to the entire latter part of the day phase except by accident i think with cool since that train built later, but then you disappeared right around the lynch

i'm not sure why town, even pushing their own agenda, doesn't at least address other things going on in the thread instead of talking into the ether. you did this with cake your last scum game and it makes me very wary of you

There's a pretty clear difference between my scum game and this game. I don't think I really need to explain it.

hm...I mean I did start the coolTLname train so I guess I started something relevant and not joined it.

Also, I was nowhere near irrelevant in the latter Day phase, I was just steering clear of rsoul vs marv/rayn. When that cooled down, you can see me being active lol.

let's see...as for my absence that's always around the time i go home so I always leave 1 hr before deadline and come back a bit afterwards. If you doubt it, you can look at my other games where the same thing more or less happens.


sure. i'll check

i still want you to explain your reads on the counterwagons you were ignoring, though

this isn't just about me, marv and rayn
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 01 2015 12:32 GMT
#2535
also maybe i'm misremembering but i really don't believe you were instrumental in the cool lynch at all. being on it first isn't the same as being the main one pushing it or the reason it gained traction

anyway yeah i'm out for a bit again

don't call my lists useless please @.@
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 01 2015 12:33 GMT
#2536
coolTLname wagon: scum, started by holy town savior Moosy
scott wagon: i can't give an unbiased opinion since I wasn't around for it, but I still call you all dumb
GlowingBear wagon:
Trfel wagon: maybe
LightningStrike wagon: Quite possibly Mafia
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 01 2015 12:35 GMT
#2537
On October 01 2015 21:32 rsoultin wrote:
also maybe i'm misremembering but i really don't believe you were instrumental in the cool lynch at all. being on it first isn't the same as being the main one pushing it or the reason it gained traction

anyway yeah i'm out for a bit again

don't call my lists useless please @.@

I mean, there was absolutely no intention to lynch him. Shining and I apparently came to the same conclusion at the same time though. We literally posted that coolTLname had TMI at the same time. Shining posted his thoughts 1 second before I voted for coolTL. Before that it was all about scott/rsoul.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 01 2015 12:37 GMT
#2538
i'll double-check that as well...i'll admit this is impressions and i haven't verified it yet, i just don't remember you being the main force behind it
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 01 2015 12:37 GMT
#2539
On October 01 2015 21:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
coolTLname wagon: scum, started by holy town savior Moosy
scott wagon: i can't give an unbiased opinion since I wasn't around for it, but I still call you all dumb
GlowingBear wagon:
Trfel wagon: maybe
LightningStrike wagon: Quite possibly Mafia


these aren't really reads with explanations?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 01 2015 12:45 GMT
#2540
On October 01 2015 21:37 rsoultin wrote:
i'll double-check that as well...i'll admit this is impressions and i haven't verified it yet, i just don't remember you being the main force behind it

what have you actually read in this game because you don't seem to remember anything?
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