EPTSeason of the Witch 2 - Page 7
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Damdred
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I'm town, not the martyr though. Rayn probs town, his thing on the martyr makes sense. If martyr uses their ability mafia gets to know the role of who they were targeting whiles getting to know who was the martyr at the same time, so eliminated 2 roles. I suppose not claiming is fine as long as you don't martyr though, not sure there's a downside there. I'll be back after I finish raiding. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Martyr: Each night you will learn who is being killed by the Witch Kill. You can then choose to save that person by sacrificing yourself for them. Your heroic death will be made obvious. If Witch Kill doesn't go through, or isn't attempted, you will learn nothing. [/b]Just to be clear, the martyr save is only made obvious as to it being a martyr save. Whoever was targeted is not revealed. So while it seems like town will be notified that the NK was martyred (and thus know that it was martyr that died) it still gives mafia the role of the person who they were targeting. There might be situations late in the game where that is useful but generally I can see how protecting someone tends to benefit mafia more. I dont see what is gained from having the martyr claim though, seems unnecessary. Rayn why do you think they should claim even if they don't intend to protect someone? How does it benifit mafia if they don't? Where is the benefit to town? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Leery of giving it to damdred already both because he seems to sorta want it and because he's suggesting he knows he can keep ahold of it for awhile. Slight scumlean. Shining is cool for suggesting an alternate topic of discussion, townlean. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On September 15 2015 14:22 geript wrote: Read the scum role. They learn who the NK targeted not the martyr. It's a plammar special nerf to the martyr. Did I say something that made you think I didn't understand that? They would know the NK was martyr'd kus someone other than their target died thus the person who dies who wasn't their target, plus the stuff I quoted about how it would be "made obviuse" that it kill was martyred. Plus the necro role info. | ||
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geript
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Obv it's still early, I just wanna know how strongly you feel about it. And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read? Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read.... | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 15 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote: And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read? Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read.... Probably yes if this is what you think.  | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
- you get IC - if mafia wants to kill the person holding the role who cares if the worst role in the game dies (it also gives Rov a fair chance of hitting their "night condition") - because i sorta fucked up (while i didn't) people have already claimed they are not that role | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Rov = Oracle | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On September 15 2015 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are the Martyr role claim straight away because it is the best play. I also feel sorry for the guy who rolled that.  Pretty much my thoughts reading the OP. Even though it may seem counter intuitive with the soup mechanic, it is a role that will die anyway. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
I disagree with the people saying "martyr shouldn't use his power" or "martyr should 100% use it N1". I think we need to let the martyr decide so mafia cannot play around that. I also think the martyr dying to save a town leader / a strong town is worth it. The mafia gets a rolecheck on the targeted person; but he is still alive, when the mafia wanted him dead, supposedly because he's a strong town or he's super right. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 15 2015 16:21 Rels wrote: I disagree with the people saying "martyr shouldn't use his power" martyr should never ever use his power 100%. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
1. Dead people should 100% claim on the angel QT the minute they enter it rayn said it already and I agree. 2. Oracle should claim at LYLO To be clearer, oracle should claim in two situations: - if there is only 1 mafia left - if it's LYLO and we didn't realize it 3. Inquisitor should claim if he gets a red check Self explanatory. The only time inquisitor should not out is if there are already multiple claims, 'cause of soup. Otherwise 1 for 1 is super good. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 15 2015 16:25 Rels wrote: OK a few other things about the setup. 1. Dead people should 100% claim on the angel QT the minute they enter it rayn said it already and I agree. 2. Oracle should claim at LYLO To be clearer, oracle should claim in two situations: - if there is only 1 mafia left 3. Inquisitor should claim if he gets a red check Self explanatory. The only time inquisitor should not out is if there are already multiple claims, 'cause of soup. Otherwise 1 for 1 is super good. everything here is 100% correct. i do not agree with Oracle claiming in lylo. It is situation specific thing i won't go further into. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On September 15 2015 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: martyr should never ever use his power 100%. Don't agree with the 100%. Mafia kills are targeted on people that are strong / right; saving them for another day is super good. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
Rels seems good, though the setup talk is getting old. | ||
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