[M][N] Completely Normal Generic Mini Mafia

On September 10 2015 21:16 Half the Sky wrote:
/out

(I can't handle more than one game at a time)

On September 15 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:

i am terrible as town and never gotten mafia. does that help?

On September 15 2015 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Anyway, back to important things. I'm actually up to the part where the protagonist looks to kill the old miser woman. But I'm not up to analyzing that part yet. I'm actually just up to around Chapter 2 which is kind of sad but the book is pretty dense. One thing that's interesting is that there are a fair number of references to doorways and entrances. This can be read as the protagonist's dislike of beginnings and ends as doorways are commonly associated with such motifs. On the other hand, it's rather telling when we extrapolate this interpretation into when he enters the public house as he does so very willingly. Now, if we look at how he does so, he says his mind clears after drinking the ale although he says that he is thinking rather morbidly. This is very important as it shows that his morals around killing the woman in the first place are disappearing. And this is important as it has relations to Macbeth.

...to be continued...

On September 15 2015 07:45 Koshi wrote:

hmm. I only remember you wanting to shoot our stuff together.

I was weirded out.

On September 15 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:

Why would you townread someone for giving you information (I assume that's what you are talking about?)?

Why are you smurfing if you are new here or do people in this game in fact know you?

On September 15 2015 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Well did you learn anything from any of this willie

On September 15 2015 07:55 Koshi wrote:

On this site the people who jump on something like that are most likely mafia. So I guess the only conclusion you can make out of this new piece of info is that marv is most likely mafia.

Can you vote marv with me?

Also my meta is that I am nearly always right.

On September 15 2015 07:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i kind of like cephiro and i kind of don't like cephiro for personal reasons. all i know for certain is that i like Crime & Punishment.

On September 15 2015 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:



no no no.
##vote geript

On September 15 2015 11:28 geript wrote:
Yeah. And his trolling early hasn't been how he's been trolling as town early. He's opened as a throw away "I'm mafia" or similar for idk like 6 games. He's semi-trolled while being semi-serious and made interesting points early. This game when he got serious, he got serious. There's little back and forth between trolly and serious. Plus his serious points weren't really palmar serious points. They were meh.

You're either wrong on him or you're mafia. and TBH i don't care which.

On September 15 2015 14:25 Onegu wrote:
nope not yet... except a VT claim.

On September 15 2015 15:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Like here is your post.

You said i had a good find. But then you say something completely different because "how can anyone interpret Palmar's posts as super serious" is NOT what i in fact said.

On September 15 2015 15:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i am saying is this:

Here is what geript did
1) things happen
2) geript calls palmar mafia
3) more things happen
4) geript says palmar is mafia "becvause he feels all wrong; he's actually taking the game seriously"
5) people ask him why this is his read, because palmar was not being super serious when geript first said he is mafia but instead during (3).
6) geript says palmar is in fact mafia because of his opener.

Now there are two things that do not make sense:
- geript changes his reasoning for reading palmar mafia for
- i believe, if geript was town, that he would have said, during (4) "palmar is mafia because his opener is scummy" if that's what he thought instead of something else.

And i can't see how he does this as town. Because when you give reasoning for your reads you are supposed to convince people to lynch mafia, not make shit up.

On September 15 2015 16:13 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad that someone else saw a problem in wil post I was paranoid I was going a bit off my rocker with my long hours tonight.

I'm about to sleep but... I'm still not sure that geript is mafia like I'm in the spot where I think he's still probably town.

I just think he can be this inconsistent as town but idk....meh I'm sleeping on it

On September 15 2015 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

but the thing is people can read other people scum for this. technically what geript says there is not incorrect because palmar has not been really serious in the games in near past, and i get he could scumread palmar for that as town.

but the problem is he scumreads palmar for that before he can actually scumread palmar for that..

On September 15 2015 18:51 marvellosity wrote:

I find this difficult to believe.

and yes i am far behind.

On September 15 2015 19:51 marvellosity wrote:

can you explain why this is unacceptable?

can you explain to me what "unacceptable" means exactly with regards to his alignment?

On September 15 2015 20:44 Palmar wrote:
These people are on my "do not lynch list"

rayn
koshi (although I'm do not believe he exists as a corporeal entity)
cephiro
moosy
damdy

with the bottom two being slightly less firmly in there.

This means there's mafia in

onegu
marv
warwaffle
ritoky
jat
wile
geript

Note that I generally hand out townreads relatively freely on day 1 so I might be wrong on like 1 guy or something.

why do you town read moose? that a unique read so I would love to hear your logic on it

On September 15 2015 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this is in fact not true, people jsut didn't give you the answers you were hoping for.

On September 15 2015 21:52 justanothertownie wrote:

You are calling him mafia for openly admitting it though. And that is generally not what mafia is inclined to do.

On September 15 2015 22:04 Palmar wrote:

I just asked that, follow the thread pls

On September 15 2015 22:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I want to lynch Coyote. btw I'm at page 25.

On September 16 2015 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is a terrible post because if you think marv is surely town you should also think i am surely town.

On September 16 2015 01:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
- Claiming a trap is an easy way to open up and pretend you're doing work. He also seems eager to point out it was a test almost as if people should know that he was trying to do work. I also don't know what he was expecting because he could clearly see we were going to just answer sarcastically because we were all just bantering.
- huE thinks I'm scum because of A. VT claim B. filler
- Sheeps your post immediately on geript when it was already brought up earlier.
- Doesn't answer marv's questioning and instead claims he knows what he's doing and says marv is being overblown
- His 3rd page of filter has almost no relevance when you look at thread context. He was just talking about things that no one else was talking about.
- Biggest part is tone. Damdred will probably read this as well, but if you look at context he seems opportunistic and willing to jump at things as well as a bit desperate in trying to appear townie.

On September 16 2015 04:45 Palmar wrote:

There are very real reasons to sheep marv in just about any game.

On September 16 2015 04:47 Palmar wrote:
Like even when he's mafia he will generally be right on a lot of things. For example my alignment, rayn's too.

Like if marv thinks me/rayn are town, we should never ever ever be lynched unless you believe it's a scum/scum situation.

On September 16 2015 05:00 ritoky wrote:


It's less about going back on words, and more about "hey i am gonna move on and find scum" and then you haven't called any1 mafia or given any legitimate reasons since.

On September 16 2015 18:16 justanothertownie wrote:

THERE IS NO MATH HERE.

What is rayns argument and why do you think it is sheepworthy? Answer the question instead of sidestepping.

On September 16 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:

Rayns stuff on moosy has NOTHING to do with meta. Literally nothing.

On September 16 2015 18:27 justanothertownie wrote:

You do not need to know the other game to evaluate his argument which should be obvious since rayn didn't even play in that game.

What is this shit?

On September 16 2015 19:48 marvellosity wrote:

lol

can't tell if townie or scummy

On September 16 2015 20:18 Koshi wrote:

Nha, we outmeta the technical stuff for fun so it isn't there.

On September 16 2015 20:44 Palmar wrote:

It's more of a reaction test. I don't actually think Cephiro is going to flip mafia, although it's more likely than it was before.

On September 16 2015 20:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:


I don’t understand why you’re so overly concerned with coming up with so much relevant reads mate. Trying hard to appear townie hm?

On September 16 2015 20:59 marvellosity wrote:

explain yourself.

On September 16 2015 20:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:


I don’t understand why you’re so overly concerned with coming up with so much relevant reads mate. Trying hard to appear townie hm?

On September 16 2015 22:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Actually, when I am Mafia, I do try and replicate my town game as much as possible. Also, this is not my second game. It's my ...6th game? 5th game? Not too sure.

Like just lynch me lol. I'd love to see rayn face palm and shit all over the thread and blame it all on me saying it's my fault I made no sense.

On September 16 2015 23:28 geript wrote:
@Marv. I'll explain as basically as possible. Rayn was in the newbie game (died n2) with moosy. I am a coach in that game. Rayn thought moosy was mafia when RAYN died. Moosy is still alive in that game and game is still going on. Hence the no talky thing about it. I'm pretty sure Rayn is wrong here on moosy. But in my passing reading am continuing to waffle on Rayn and Damdred.

On September 17 2015 00:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I constantly bring it up because I'm not seeing anything lol. And I already gave who I want to lynch: Coyote/Cephiro.

- Coyote comes in, lays a trap that clearly won't work, says he was doing work with the trap, tries to bring up bad stuff on me, jumps on rayn's post about geript when it was already pointed out before, doesn't give solid reads, and decides to sheep, and isn't participating.

btw, bad stuff on me is actually a point. People like ritoky who actually bring good points up (go read his post on me) are town while people like Coyote who just seem to want to prod town direction at me and force a mislynch are Mafia.

On September 17 2015 01:42 justanothertownie wrote:
So, since I don't know if I'll be back before deadline I have to decide in the next 1,5 hours. I will try to poe this down.
Those people are either town or apparently not lynchable or both:

Palmar
Rayn
Marv
Ritoky
Damdred
Koshi


Which leaves:

Moosy
Onegu
Cephiro
Wile
TWW
geript

I don't really want to lynch Moosy. The rest I have to muse about while eating dinner.

On September 17 2015 03:12 Cephiro wrote:


In my opinion, townies shouldn't be concerned with the power roles they possess anywhere else but in their mind. At most, you can try to distract mafia from finding them, but I don't see why a townie would ever want to bring up anything about someone being a power role or not. If you make a honest claim of not being one, that's a smaller pool for the mafia to search from. Fakeclaiming VT to get people off your back is a possibility, but I don't see why a power role would feel the necessity to do that on D1 if it's not a "everyone claims"-parade for whatever reason.



^ I feel this is fairly contradictory when taken the above quote into account? For someone not wanting to help mafia by talking about rolehunting, he sure pays a fair lot of attention to it.



^ On your own schedule sure, but why the hell would you not do pro-town things?



So you wouldn't take a mislynch served on a platter as mafia? Calling bullshit on this. As much as I dislike VT claims early on, I would argue that voting for a VT claim does in absolutely no way make you town. If you think protecting power roles is important, then why the hell are you constantly bringing attention to people who have claimed vt and whether they've fakeclaimed or not?

Still got the last 15 pages or so to go through more in-depth, but I'm getting a fairly good idea of how I'd like to lynch today. Assuming nothing significant to change my mind comes up: Wile > JAT > marv/geript

On September 17 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
am i dead?

On September 17 2015 05:57 Cephiro wrote:


Onegu lynch is highly unlikely to happen at this point, you'd probably be better off deciding who you want to lynch between me/you/JAT/Moosy. Only 30 minutes left to vote after all.

On September 17 2015 05:56 Cephiro wrote:
E: I'll give you, after reading through your sea of fucks I did find you admitted to purely sheeping. In any case, you should move your vote on someone else. (JAT & Wile not being bad options at all.)

On September 17 2015 06:03 Cephiro wrote:
I have better things to do than explaining why I'm leaning town on Onegu at this point. I'd prefer him not lynched today, it doesn't look like it's going to happen that easily either. Instead of focusing on why I think onegu is town, you should be focusing on figuring out who you want to consolidate the lynch on.

I didn't give reasoning for saying I think one of Koshi/you are town either, same with Moosy, but you don't seem to be care about that at all. Just forget nitpicking for now and focus on the relevant stuff.

If you want reasons for my townreads, I'll give them later when they're relevant as I said I'd do with my opinion on marv (unless you all actually end up lynching me, which would be quite sad.)

On September 17 2015 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:

I never ever townread you broski.

On September 17 2015 22:23 justanothertownie wrote:
I am caught up now and Damdred/Wile pushing the lynch away from Cephiro is really fucking scummy.

On September 18 2015 06:30 justanothertownie wrote:

He did not even vote you in the end. This is irrelevant and you of all people should really know that.

On September 18 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:


er??

On September 18 2015 06:41 justanothertownie wrote:

Which is important why exactly?

On September 18 2015 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:

No mafia on this site thinks like this. Especially not if cephiro is mafia. Why do you assume he is town (the bolded)?

On September 18 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote:

Damdred defended him, you defended him - everyone who pushed for moosy/me over him defended him. Get out with this crap.

Also I don't understand your point about being found out at all.

On September 18 2015 07:02 ritoky wrote:


I am confused, are you calling ceph mafia?

On September 18 2015 07:08 geript wrote:

Case on Wile:
1. He has a massively small penis. Studies have directly correlated micrococks with mafia.
2. He was a real dick to me
3. Marv confirmed point 1 in this quote
4. Profit

On September 18 2015 07:14 ritoky wrote:


technically i hammered putting moosy at 4 first, but i get your point.

i am talking about a point before this. maybe like an hour or so, when you were at maybe 1 or 2 votes. the lynch was between moosy and ceph for a good while; and when both came back they seemed uninterested in lynching the other which struck me as an odd play if either is mafia.

On September 18 2015 09:47 Koshi wrote:
watcher tracker vigi 2 masons

Seems a bit steep

On September 18 2015 08:52 Koshi wrote:
##Vote: Wile E Coyote
rayn said this guy was mafia right?

On September 18 2015 10:32 ritoky wrote:
Also, why did you watch Koshi?

On September 18 2015 11:01 ritoky wrote:
If that's his claim then I currently don't believe it. Every role had specified numbers of uses in the role pm. The fact that he hasn't provided that and has shied away from me asking it 3 times is suspect as fuck.

On September 18 2015 11:23 Koshi wrote:
Anyway, I agree wile need to claim how many times he can watch, after that scott should claim.

Somewhat unnecesairly but maybe good fun.



Dem spelling

On September 18 2015 11:30 Damdred wrote:
Are you sure your result last night was koshi didn't visit anyone wile

On September 18 2015 11:51 Koshi wrote:
Probably a lot of information in this flip. But I did all the good things already. Basically the guy confirmed me.

On September 18 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote:
jat just wants respect. He's probably the best 2nd tier player on tl so it's understandable.

On September 18 2015 21:37 justanothertownie wrote:

No, void day1 I did bus SL because people (marv and HF) were on his ass hardcore and he was more or less confirmed mafia. I did not bus HTS at all and I basically outed myself because of it.
Then Koshi and HF came and HTS was the confirmed mafia so I had to vote her. And Koshi for some inexplicable Koshi reason declared SL 100 % town after the lynch and people believed him for further inexplicable reasons. We weren't even fighting each other add that point. That came later and I did not bus him then. I ignored him and carried his lazy ass to victory by mislynching people.

I said why yours and Cephiros filter felt scummier then. I can quote the posts for you if you can't read. I do not bus people if I don't need to. Never have, probably never will. And I did not have to bus Wile here since people bought your bad point about him.

On September 19 2015 00:34 Koshi wrote:
Mafia Win Percentage (Minimum 6 games)

GlowingBear 5/6 = 83.3333%
marvellosity 12/15 = 80.0000%
kitaman27 8/11 = 72.7273%
Holyflare 10/14 = 71.4286%
Koshi 5/7 = 71.4286% + Show Spoiler +
WaveofShadow 5/7 = 71.4286%
Damdred 6/9 = 66.6667%
OriginalName 4/6 = 66.6667%
Caller 4/6 = 66.6667%
iamperfection 4/6 = 66.6667%
Mattchew 4/6 = 66.6667%
austinmcc 4/6 = 66.6667%
Acrofales 4/6 = 66.6667%
HiroPro 4/6 = 66.6667%