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On September 18 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote:
Yep you only calling me mafia you are either mafia or dumb. Maybe a mixture idk yet.
Its hypocritical to say damdred is hugely wrong on all his reads if I'm only wrong on one read which is on you supposedly.
You didn't do anything towny d1 and a lot of the people you town read actually agreed with a lot of what I said. SO OH WELL.
You did not say anything about me so this is impossible btw.
Sure, other people mafia read me. But rayn at least gave reasons and tried to figure me out. Koshi is excused for being Koshi. What is your excuse for not caring at all about anything I said while pushing for my lynch? Idiocy or mafia alignment?
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I really don't get why anyone thinks I can be mafia. But Marv/Palmar don't understand why I think rayn is mafia so... idk. Going to relax for a bit w/ league then be back later.
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Best chance to lynch me. I won't be here until Sunday probably so GL on that.
And I said plenty about you, rayn agreed with some of it. Palmar agreed with a good portion etc.
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On September 18 2015 03:08 geript wrote:
I really don't get why anyone thinks I can be mafia. But Marv/Palmar don't understand why I think rayn is mafia so... idk. Going to relax for a bit w/ league then be back later.
I don't really get how you can read rayn mafia while townreading marv at the same time. There is no world where rayn gets lynched before marv.
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On September 18 2015 03:13 Damdred wrote:
Best chance to lynch me. I won't be here until Sunday probably so GL on that.
And I said plenty about you, rayn agreed with some of it. Palmar agreed with a good portion etc.
bla bla bla
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Your just mad that I'm right
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On September 18 2015 03:15 Damdred wrote:
Your just mad that I'm right
Yeah, that has to be it. If you are town stop the emo act and do something useful for a change. I will even let you do your thing without interfering.
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I need to catch scott in the thread. I have to ask him a question and he can't have time to think about it.
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On September 18 2015 03:08 geript wrote:
I really don't get why anyone thinks I can be mafia. But Marv/Palmar don't understand why I think rayn is mafia so... idk. Going to relax for a bit w/ league then be back later.
Comment on why my analysis of rayn is wrong.
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On September 18 2015 03:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 03:08 geript wrote:
I really don't get why anyone thinks I can be mafia. But Marv/Palmar don't understand why I think rayn is mafia so... idk. Going to relax for a bit w/ league then be back later. Comment on why my analysis of rayn is wrong.
Because mine is right 
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tbh i don't remember yours of the top of my head, but marv bascially explains why mine is right but for whatever reason reads him town. dnu
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Nope not doing anything in this thread until Sunday probably.
I'll quote the read for palmar though
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On September 18 2015 03:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 03:29 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2015 03:08 geript wrote:
I really don't get why anyone thinks I can be mafia. But Marv/Palmar don't understand why I think rayn is mafia so... idk. Going to relax for a bit w/ league then be back later. Comment on why my analysis of rayn is wrong. Because mine is right
I don't care.
If you're town you should be trying to convince me to vote with you on rayn.
In order to do that you have to convince me that my reason for reading him town is wrong. So go back, I quoted it just this night. Read it and explain why I am wrong.
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Like this is mafia 101.
You can't say shit, and then not try to convince people you are right.
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On September 18 2015 02:10 scott31337 wrote:
So I still have a lot of reading to do in the thread - but I'm caught up from night 1 till now- (still have pages 20-70? to do) but let me at least post my thoughts - another swamped day of shit breaking - I was able to break free for a few to write this up.
Palmar - normal townie Palmar from what I've seen so far
raynpelikoneet - normal town rayn - posts his thoughts - goes after his scum he believes in (although wrong on MD)
ritoky-townlean, getting information, asking related questions
justanothertownie - he was gone for a bit, and looked worse day 1 - and I was thinking Moosy was townier at the time. but his night 1 has impressed me, although he's got that normal JAT chip on the shoulder-townlean
Damdred-I'm thinking he's town, but has a lot of "not sure idk etc" - ?
Koshi-feels like town Koshi - I welcome your return.
marvellosity - just seems off, but I'm not sure how - others can read him better then I - null for now
geript-another one who just seems off - quite a few reads are opposite of where I am right now - lower null
Wile E. Coyote - Probably sicklucker for what JAT said, and SL never uses caps/looks like his style of writing. Defends Ceph - looks like he's trying to survive and not scumhunt - scumlearn
Cephiro - survival seems to be his agenda, not finding scum - scumlean
these are kinda LHF and thread sentiment reads; they are also kinda meh and unoriginal.
can you explain the marv one?
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actually this is now the second time geript throws out a random read (the first one was me yesterday) that has two problems with it.
a) it's probably wrong
b) he doesn't push it at all.
Also, geript still hasn't seen fit to respond to my point about his rage post (or apologize about it, to my knowledge). So yeah
geript is mafia.
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On September 17 2015 23:15 Palmar wrote:I still think rayn is town. here's my reason: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote:
For the uninitiated.
This is rayn's absolute forte as town. Both the pushes he has made so far (jat/geript) are based on spotting something that is inconsistent or not sensible and attacking it. This is literally how he finds mafia every time he does so. This is the most rayn thing in the universe.
I even have an IRC log between rayn marv and I where we're discussing exactly this. I have no faith rayn can be faking this. On top of that. He got his lynch on moosy and he was wrong, but mafia rayn would never try to lynch someone like that. Like I think that is out of rayn's mafia range. Mafia rayn: I'm going to explain very clearly why he's mafia so I can point to that when I'm wrong Town rayn: Just trust me, he's mafia. I'm so convinced he's one that I'm not gonna worry about what happens if I'm wrong That's sort of the short version of it.
I'm going to presume you me this read. I'm honestly not sure what to argue with here than, Yes, he can do that as mafia. Like rayn and I think very similarly as mafia. We both try to emulate our town play.
To give an example, a week ago or so on voice, we were playing I'm a cop you idiot. Rayn was mafia with Yamato. Rayn claimed a green check on cephiro IIRC and SL I think it was claimed a red on Rayn. I was pretty sure Rayn was mafia. He pushed SL as mafia but there were a few reasons why Rayn was the obvious mafia in the pair. 1. Because he wasn't sure on my alignment. 2. Because he didn't want to sleep in a 4v2 scenario which provides more info overall. 3. Because his focus was on why he's town. Eventually, he got Cake to trust him.
It's similar here. His focus isn't on finding why I'm mafia. Can you think of a reason why he's called me mafia other than "I don't recognize Rayn as town"? When does town rayn not stretch and contort in order to get people to sheep him? Seriously??? Yes, town!Rayn will rant and rave about people being bad, palying stupid, but he will also do his damnedest to make sure that people 100% understand why he's fucking reading people as scum so that the wagon can't in any way be moved off of his target. Where is town!Rayn preventing notMoosy from being lynched because Moosy is 1000% mafia?
Rayn as a town player is a bully and an asshole and completely full of himself; he's also usually right. And I like and accept all those aspects of him. But he's not doing that here. He's not done that here. He's not burying who he thinks is scum. He's not trying to make it clear WHY I'm mafia or why Damdred is mafia or WHY Moosy was mafia. When in the fuck does town rayn do that? He wants his lynches. He will do anything to get his lynches from begging and pleading to arguing to bullying, etc.
Those things... aren't in this game. What we see in this game is Rayn affirming himself as town. He's hiding behind Marv's read. He's hiding behind your read. He's not actively pushing why you should lynch his targets. So basically, your read is bad.
Now if you ahve another read on Rayn you'd like me to tear a new asshole in, I'm game.
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On September 18 2015 04:24 Palmar wrote:
actually this is now the second time geript throws out a random read (the first one was me yesterday) that has two problems with it.
a) it's probably wrong
b) he doesn't push it at all.
Also, geript still hasn't seen fit to respond to my point about his rage post (or apologize about it, to my knowledge). So yeah
geript is mafia.
1. It's hard to respond when I'm playing league
2. I have pushed it I will push it.
3. Not mafia, not now, not ever
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It's really weird playing in 2 games at the same time. Especially when the hosts/cohosts of the other game are playing this game. Just feels like it's really easy to wifom yourself a bunch of different ways with it. I don't think I'll do this again.
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I think geripts interpretation of rayn's play is wrong. I do think rayn pushed his reads and I don't think he hid behind my reads or Marc reads in any way.
Phone posting and won't make it before deadline.
Look for mafia in Scott, geript, JAT, Marv, Onegu (I'm still the only one even mentioning him) and ceph. I think the others are town although koshi has really fallen off.
I guess if JAT is mafia koshi is never mafia. He's unlikely though anyway.
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