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Cephiro
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On September 17 2015 05:56 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I was literally about to vote geript or on onegu who I feel definitely deserves presure. Then this shit happens Onegu lynch is highly unlikely to happen at this point, you'd probably be better off deciding who you want to lynch between me/you/JAT/Moosy. Only 30 minutes left to vote after all. | ||
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I didn't give reasoning for saying I think one of Koshi/you are town either, same with Moosy, but you don't seem to be care about that at all. Just forget nitpicking for now and focus on the relevant stuff. If you want reasons for my townreads, I'll give them later when they're relevant as I said I'd do with my opinion on marv (unless you all actually end up lynching me, which would be quite sad.) | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:00 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I dont even like that list we can all be town. moosy still has the best chance to flip mafia from that list. Why do I have to vote one of them? I feel like so many people are skating by doing nothing. With new information on moosy I dont see him flipping scum nearly as often altho that last posts were suspect No shit, I wouldn't propose myself to be lynched either. I'm just stating the facts of the situation, it's unlikely that any other than one of us four is going to get lynched, so it's pointless to argue about trying to get on someone else. I mean you can vote for a lurker or someone else all you want, but it's not going to accomplish anything. It's better if you make your vote count for something rather than just throwing it away. | ||
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K. What's next? I'm scum and Onegu is clearly scum too because I "defended" him? Get real. As for the JAT stuff, you should know well enough by now why people are voting for him. Mainly for being very active, but doing nothing in practice. It's like he's playing to "Just be around" and "you guys can just read me better later anyway". | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote: has Wile redeemed himself then? question is for anyone People seem to think with his recent contribution he is less scummy to the extent that there are better targets available. | ||
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##vote Wile E. Coyote Still do think marv is a good lynch, but not in a hurry to do anything about it since we have "confirmed" scum to kill. I guess I'll post my thoughts on it during the night or later in the daycycle, depending on when I feel like it. (Or unless you people have a specific reason you'd want it any earlier, given that it's not currently very relevant.) Doubt mafia wants to kill me with my current level of activity, would make sense for them to keep me around to try and push a mislynch on me later. Someone was also asking about my scum play, whoever that was: I can do pretty much anything as scum (and town too). Bussing is more like a rule, with not bussing being the exception for me. At least when it comes to games where there are at least 3 mafia members. So while I won't mind if you read me favourably based on my voting and actions at the end of D1, you shouldn't think it has to make me town. | ||
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You know I want to get marv lynched (tomorrow), that's more than enough for now. You'll get the reasoning in due time. I don't see why I should be around talking about irrelevant stuff meanwhile. First we deal with the matter at hand, and then we move onto the next thing on schedule. I've seen flailing about instead of going for the obvious thing that should be done more than I care to remember. | ||
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On September 15 2015 09:02 marvellosity wrote: Palmar doesn't really deserve the number of townreads he has at this point, it's way too early. ^ Early on D1. What I do agree with, is that it's way to early to give anyone proper townreads at that point based on close to no proper information except earlygame bantering which is most of the time very irrelevant. Don't really understand his motive behind calling Palmar out like this when there were other players townread even more at that point, unless it just doesn't fit marv's agenda. (I think a townie would approach more like a "why are you all townreading this person" rather than "you people should not townread this person", the latter style being clearly aimed towards discrediting the person in question.) On September 15 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote: normally (always?) when jat is mafia you can snare him near the end of the day when he's not quite as capable of pushing interesting things strongly. For someone that has been calling jat mafia a fair few times, I haven't seen many snaring attempts.. If you go and check marv's filter, it has a lot of pages and posts but very few posts actually aim towards getting something done. He might be partaking in discussion or asking questions every once a while, but the key thing is that he's just asking for the sake of asking. He doesn't do anything with the answers he gets. He sits around being content with getting a reply to a question. Sure, not all town players ask the most useful questions all the time, but generally even if something can be understood as a stupid question, there's something that the player asking it wants to achieve with it. I don't see any of that in marv's filter, he rarely follows up a question with anything further. There's a clear lack of goal in what he does. On September 16 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote: totally forgot Wile. Would probably also lynch because i think most others look townier. i think rayn's defence of him is based on associations that he shouldn't be making (esp moosy). Except... he ends up following rayn's reasoning in the end and conveniently ends up not voting for Wile who he seemed to be okay lynching earlier (and all the way fairly close to the lynch deadline). Do note the reasoning for that also is very lacking. Most others look more town? Sheesh.. just screams "I don't have any real reason to vote for him, so I'll just say I have even less reason voting for others." On September 16 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote: yes i saw that, but decided to leave them to have it out at some stage i don't really want to touch damdred with a bargepole if you do, please go ahead :> ^ Distancing from damdred, how much interaction have you seen between these two during the game..? And marv has 15+ pages of filter (mostly irrelevant nonsense.) Here comes the fun part. Guess who convinces marv that Wile isn't a worthy lynch? On September 17 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote: yes ok, not sure about super towny but i'm definitely getting it. hrmph It just so happens to be Damdred! Do take notice of how marv is instantly fine with not lynching Wile anymore. (Not that he ever provided proper reasoning for why he wanted to lynch Wile.. the only thing he stuck on to was the "test" thing of his earlygame, asking players for meta.) He also defends / favourably views damdred on Page 10 of marv's filter, mostly discussion regarding this post of Dam's: On September 15 2015 10:27 Damdred wrote: Koshi is really town here like id be impressed if this is scum game koshi. Geript has a few posts that give me a small amount of pause that he could potentially be town like his moosey read is something that he would do when he's town. But he just is lacking some form of curiosity he might has here. That being said that one read on moosey really has me doubting my scum read currently. It just looks so towny of him to do. The more I think about it the more I want to town read him and I defdinately don't want to lynch him now... Soft-defending a person that you've been trying to stay at a distance from? Gives me very much a scum-scum interaction feeling. On September 18 2015 00:17 marvellosity wrote: cop should totally check me, that sounds like a totally sensible use of a cop's resources. ^ During N1. Looks like a very obvious "Mafia GF with questionable thread presence trying to get easy cred with a greencheck" -ploy. I'd argue if marv was town, he wouldn't seriously suggest himself to be checked in that case. Then his filter is mainly filled with useless back and forth arguing with JAT, with the occasional mention of him looking at a ceph lynch favourably. It's not like he has too many options when he has never pushed for anything strongly, it'd probably be weird enough if he stepped his game out of nowhere and started to push someone.. so he's content with taking jabs at me, those jabs being very non-committal. (Do note the fearmongering as well, he talks about my experience at several points as something to be wary of.) ##vote marvellosity Let's continue lynching scum. | ||
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On September 22 2015 21:47 Palmar wrote: Cephiro drops hard hitting analysis on the guy we're lynching anyway and isn't even trying to defend himself. 1) This happened to be the best time for me to post my thoughts on marv as I refused to do so earlier, it being irrelevant. What should I defend myself from? "Cephiro might be mafia because of his activity?" That's not even worth addressing, that's how bad of a case anyone thinking I'm scum is currently. 2) My read hasn't "conveniently changed" to marv or anything of the sort as you can point from my scarce posting history. I've been thinking he's a good lynch for a while, and I posted my reasons now that it's relevant and I had the time to do so. Or do you seriously think that me just joining in the wagon saying "Well we're voting marv anyway and I've said he's scum for a while now so I'll just roll with it", then fucking off would've been reasonable? I don't think so. As a sidenote, I have to say I find it amusing what the "best" reasoning for considering me as potential mafia is so far. On September 23 2015 02:11 Damdred wrote: And I am playing in pretty well documented that I think ceph is the last mafia at this point with Marv. It is pretty apparent with how quickly Marv jumped off cephbfor non reasons and hammered someone who he didn't want to lynch earlier. Though this could point to your being mafia as well I think its more likely its ceph in that situation. We gave him a decent amount of credit for trying to push another lynch in scum mate wile but it is a bit wifom since he gave up the push on wile so quickly especially when two other wagons were fighting and it was possible to go on someone else. And he was really concerned about saving his own neck staring he would vote moosey to save himself. I mean, just look at this. I gave the push up on wile so quickly? My vote stood on wile as long as it was feasible, and with people defending him (INCLUDING YOU, who told marv he did a very towny thing which marv just took for granted), I wasn't going to get him killed after trying a while. I ended up voting jat whom I felt was very scummy back then instead of voting for moosey. Sure, I didn't necessarily vote for my #1 scumread because I did not have the luxury of doing so. Voting so happens to be the greatest power I have this game, and wasting it by voting on someone who isn't going to get lynched is worse than voting for another scumread of yours that IS up for lynch. On September 17 2015 03:12 Cephiro wrote:but I'm getting a fairly good idea of how I'd like to lynch today. Assuming nothing significant to change my mind comes up: Wile > JAT > marv/geript And I stood on to what I said. Concerned about saving myself? Last time I checked, getting oneself killed isn't very much of a pro wincon move. You could argue that sacrificing oneself over a blue as a non-powerrole could be worth it in some scenarios, but for something that you can't be sure of, that's fairly far-fetched. So I didn't jump on the mislynch wagon, but changed my vote from #1 scumread to #2 scumread because it was getting clear we weren't getting my #1 scumread killed, but #2 had a chance of happening. Talk about being super concerned about myself and trying to get nothing done, right? As wifom, I really don't understand how someone could imagine a marv/Ceph scumteam at this point. I mean I like to make big plays, but I'm not a fan of retarded plays (well, except when I'm town and get an idea that I believe is genius when it clearly isn't). If I was scum with my marv, why on earth would you assume I'd have bussed both my scumbuddies since the start of the game? Sure, it's well within my reach to do so, but even I'm not stupid enough to think that I'd come out on top of a 1v5+1 (one confirmed town, ritoky) starting N3. Especially as if you assume both me and marv to be scum, that would mean scott is confirmed town also. Which would mean I'd go into a 1v4+1conftown situation on D4. I'm sure I could get at least one mislynch even at that point if I was mafia, but two when the town has the option of no-lynching on D5 to make it a D6 1v2? Yeah, just no. Not with how much presence I've had in the game so far. I can also assure you that I'd never have approved of a Koshi kill if I was scum. I would've just gone for the actually confirmed town and discredited koshi, given roleblocking into mafia team itself is something I've done several times in the past. Marv may have easily left pursuing my lynch near the deadline, but he did just as much so with Wile. Do you really think marv would've started off with a scum/scum bus only to waffle himself on a town mislynch? Just no. Feel free to point out reasons you disagree, but trying to think of it from a neutral PoV, I honestly can't see how someone would ever think me+marv is a possible scumteam at this point. In theory sure, in practice no. I don't mind if a townie genuinely misreads me as scum for valid reasons, people make mistakes all the time. But when the reasoning is absolute crap and spells "Opportunistic and far-fetched" all over it, you'll have to wonder if that's a case coming from a town player or a scum player. | ||
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The thing is, I don't feel as strongly about Dam being mafia if marv flips town (which I very much doubt will happen). It's honestly really hard to read into the rest of the players at this point. I'm still not 100% on scott, but on the other hand I think it's extremely unlikely that if scott was scum, he'd claim tracker to basically confirm a kill on his scumbuddy. I mean, it's a possibility for extreme lategame cred, but I don't think Wile was boned enough by that point that it would've been a no-loss play. So while I'm ignoring the small possibility and giving him a townread for now, it's something that should be kept in mind as the game goes on. jat - The amount of sheer activity and presence he has is a double-edged sword. I'm having trouble deciding if it's sincere or not. On the other hand it could be trying to do his best from a townjat, but then again I'm also feeling vibes of "Lack of goal", as in what he's trying to achieve with some of all that activity, not to mention he doesn't seem to mind cluttering the thread with useless crap or arguing back and forth either, which isn't exactly productive (although I would have to say useless posts seem to be a thing in this game and something almost everyone can be called out for...). I do feel it's a bit more likely for him to be town currently, but I just can't seem to get rid of the thought he could also be mafia making the best out of his thread presence. (Although if marv flips mafia, I think it's slightly less likely for JAT to be mafia, even if still within reach of being a reasonable possibility.) geript seems too chill to be scum. I'm not saying he's getting a lot done, but I feel like he'd try to assert more control over town if he's scum. Currently he seems to prefer measuring dicks with the occasional opinion (which is reasonable, but I'd also expect him to be doing more analysis / more pushing for his scumreads?). It's more of a gut feeling but there isn't enough proper content from him for me to reach a proper conclusion. Palmar is kind of under-the-radar. In a way I feel that he's playing extremely similarly to marv, but for me the key difference is that rather than asking questions, he seems to prefer posting insightful points of view and then being non-conclusive about it (if you read his filter, there are many points where he comes off raising a point, then says he doesn't really make anything out of it either way?). But there are some good points among those he has raised, and I still prefer that to asking questions you're not doing anything with (marv this game). So in short, I'm feeling it would be likely to be damdred (assuming marv flips mafia), but it's honestly really hard for me to pinpoint anything in jat/geript/palmar at the moment. They all have things that point out that they could be town, but they all have reasonable possibilities in which they could be scum as well. Sorry, I know that's not probably very useful but it's really hard for me to find something concrete to make a read from when geript seems to just be chillposting, palmar is going under the radar without committing, and jat makes up 20% of the thread by himself with half of his posts being useless filler. | ||
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Or would you have preferred me to shut up, say nothing and talk again god knows when if I felt like it? If you don't want "bad" posts, don't ask for bad posts. I'm not gonna start making up bullshit and start writing an analysis on how someone is town or mafia if I don't truly believe that's the case, just to have a better looking post. I'm town, thus I post what I think, not what would make me look good. | ||
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