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On September 15 2015 07:33 Koshi wrote:
You can all thank me for showing you Cephiro his alignment in postgame.
#Koshi4MVP
@Koshi: I'd like to clarify for myself what you mean by this. Are you truly claiming that pegging me as mafia was just a ploy to get a reaction out of me and now you consider it fairly likely that I am town, or are you saying you're still confident I'm mafia? (and as one among the million other things you'll claim, going for those post-game bragging rights you like? As for that, you should probably know that if you make 10 claims which of one ends up being right, it's not exactly bragworthy..)
Or if there's something else you mean by this, do clarify so I can try and get a better read on you.
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On September 15 2015 08:07 ritoky wrote:
yo cephiro, man of solid reads, you got any? lay em on me brother.
No solid reads at this point. Have a few leaning reads on some people, but not significant enough to be worth sharing right now. (Unless you insist to know.) I'd prefer to wait until around halfway through the cycle when everyone has been able to participate and there's more content to go by off.
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At the moment I'm most confident about my leaning townread on rayn.
Probably the only thing I dislike about his play so far is townreading Dam because he seems to share his views on Dam's reads.
The things that make me feel rayn is town are mostly these two:
1) Calling out small, specific things and raising their significance where they might've otherwise gone unnoticed.
---a) Moosy's following post: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 07:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well your read on Moosy is terrible.
I agree with other reads. DId I draw attention to this post before? If I didn't I'm doing it now.
---b) Alternatively, clarifying what the "content" spoken of is, or pointing out a possible inconsistency.(Not going to start arguing whichever dam meant with little content, I personally don't consider it significant) + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote:
I'm really good at reading people I play with a lot on little content, rayn is a good example ritoky is probably the best example. I generally can tell very early with a good percentage. I am curious, where is this content from ritoky you are talking about?
2) The way he addressed the smurf player. Even though jat did this also afterward, combined with the filter as a whole rayn gets the points out of this in my reads. It's an approach I didn't think of at all, which is also why my own reply to him was much more neutral. Even if I don't necessarily agree with what rayn said being correct, (although I do believe most of the points he raised are valid), I very much liked the way that he pushed someone as soon as he saw a proper opportunity. I'm personally a firm believer that even if you're unsure, but believe someone to be mafia, you should pressure them. It makes them have to defend themselves, and regardless of the end result you've created more information for everyone to base their reads on. Best case scenario, your pressure might've caused a mafia to slip. Worst case scenario, you "wasted time", pushing a townie, but it might've helped people to get a read on both of you.
Of course a mafia player is capable of doing this also, but in this case I'm much more inclined to believe that it's a town rayn pressuring something he didn't like, rather than a scum rayn pushing a mislynch agenda.
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Koshi & Ritoky, do you firmly believe in your union, or does either of you have doubts that your partner might let you down?
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On September 15 2015 09:01 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i am expecting you to have a read and i am expecting you to tell what it is. Just woke up. Idk what read you expect me to have but moosy is town.
Would like you to answer these two (@geript, about moosy):
1) Do you think there is a chance he could be scum?
2) Would you say he's either extremely town or extremely scum, or do you think he can fit somewhere in-between?
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Gonna bother you for one more, would appreciate if you'd bear answering this also, as it'll help me read into you.
Are you saying 100% because you are that confident in being correct about what you're seeing, or would you admit there's a possibility you could be wrong (even if unlikely?).
After this I'll be done questioning you for now, thanks.
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I'm quite confident in my math. Considering I study statistics, it'd be sad if I was bad at it.
But more relevantly, I'm "double-checking" not because of numbers but the reasoning behind the number. Are you willing to co-operate for one, such a simple question? If you're town, it doesn't really benefit you in the slightest to be an ass because you can or avoid a request as simple as that.
So, I'll give you one more chance to address that with a proper answer until I draw my own conclusions of what you say.
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For what it's worth, I think you've made your enthusiasm on literature obvious enough already. As much as I'd enjoy to delve into a deeper and philosophical discussion about Crime & Punishment with you, we can do that later on once the more relevant issues at hand are taken care of.
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Alright, I'm currently re-reading the thread as I eat before posting any further thoughts.
However, I'd like to address the hilarity of some people before I do.
I find it quite sad that people are considering me mafia when my content has not changed at all, the only difference is my level of activity. As in, it's extremely funny to read these posts considering me as mafia from the people that leaned town on me, without any further reasoning. That's wishy-washy if I've ever seen it. If they at least based their reasoning on process of elimination, as in what others have brought to the table, I could understand it, but they haven't. So basically the only real reasoning they have to push me as mafia is 1) My level of activity & 2) Because it fits their agenda better
If you ask me, both are fairly bullshit reasons. As for those that are currently voting me as pressure for me to make content, that's fairly pointless. I play and post when I have the time to do so with nothing else taking the priority over mafia. I couldn't care less if people vote for me because I haven't said something in a while or not. The only reason anyone should be voting for me is if they truly think I'm mafia.
At least a few people have pointed out something small such as an "inconsistency" between me telling people to banter about, and then "overreacting and being serious" when I get told I'm mafia for nothing. And well, if some people honestly think that makes a person mafia, then by all means do vote for me, and additionally make yourself look like an idiot.
If you push me, push me for real reasons instead of marginal bullshit you have to pretty much make up to have something to go at me.
A sidenote for the "meta" thing I've never enjoyed: I can't believe some people are seriously even mentioning anything that I've done in games from 2 years back. It's like saying "I played rock-paper-scissors with this random guy years ago and he picked scissors. Now I met him again and we decided to play it again, I'm sure he's going to pick scissors again." Like are you even for real? How stupid is that.
But yeah, that'll be it until I'm done re-reading.
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On September 16 2015 18:12 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Me thinking moosy is scummy is nothing new its in the thread. My top town also agreed at about the same time as me.
And yes math is very important on day 1 lynches. You hit mafia way less on day 1. So voting someone whos probably not a power role and the most likely to me to flip mafia is the easiest vote of my life
In my opinion, townies shouldn't be concerned with the power roles they possess anywhere else but in their mind. At most, you can try to distract mafia from finding them, but I don't see why a townie would ever want to bring up anything about someone being a power role or not. If you make a honest claim of not being one, that's a smaller pool for the mafia to search from. Fakeclaiming VT to get people off your back is a possibility, but I don't see why a power role would feel the necessity to do that on D1 if it's not a "everyone claims"-parade for whatever reason.
On September 15 2015 11:30 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Palmer didnt say much he just trolled a bit and mentioned role pms which would have got him instantly mod killed on most sites lol. He also was the only one who seemed curious as to who I was. Im kind of suspicious of this. The "no your not vt" when someone claimed vt seemed kind of like a rolehunt. I had the same thought but im not gonna mention it and help mafia do there job
^ I feel this is fairly contradictory when taken the above quote into account? For someone not wanting to help mafia by talking about rolehunting, he sure pays a fair lot of attention to it.
On September 16 2015 18:41 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I never acualy said I would do pro town things. I said me shutting up about a subject was pro town. Ill do what I wanna do on my own scedule
^ On your own schedule sure, but why the hell would you not do pro-town things?
On September 16 2015 20:10 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
when i am mafiai am not voting someone that is believed to be vt. Thats for damn sure im going after potential poweroles. I think if theres clear evidence im town its that im voting a claimed vt because i am not terrible.
In the format I play protecting power roles is super important and finding them as mafia is even more.
I have moosys range as vt/ lying about being vt for cheap newbie town reads.
So you wouldn't take a mislynch served on a platter as mafia? Calling bullshit on this. As much as I dislike VT claims early on, I would argue that voting for a VT claim does in absolutely no way make you town. If you think protecting power roles is important, then why the hell are you constantly bringing attention to people who have claimed vt and whether they've fakeclaimed or not?
Still got the last 15 pages or so to go through more in-depth, but I'm getting a fairly good idea of how I'd like to lynch today. Assuming nothing significant to change my mind comes up: Wile > JAT > marv/geript
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Short ver while I'm catching up:
JAT mostly for reasons that have been brought up, as in producing mostly irrelevant content. Sure, he talks and asks stuff but so far it feels like he's being around for the sake of being around.
marv because even though he is "participating", it doesn't seem he's doing enough with the information he goes after. I mean, he asks a lot of questions and posts his opinions, but he doesn't really try to get anything done with it. He could be just trying to get a better read on the game as a whole, but I don't see him pushing for anything strongly enough to get something done. With his post quality and amount, I'd expect him to try to get something done with all the information he's gathering. So far I don't see that happening? If you compare it to your play for example, you have more nonsensical stuff in your filter that's irrelevant than he does, but you're much more actively pressuring your scumreads and trying to get shit done.
geript because half of his posts are absolutely irrelevant to the game, and the remainder feels like the level of I don't give a shit -commitment. As in, he talks about palmar meta like it's somehow significant.
I'm not saying meta is a thing that should never be used, but infuriates me when I see experienced mafia players here using it like "But player X has said hi as town in three games in a row, so if his first post isn't hi he has to be scum".
Seriously? Maybe I don't just understand you veterans metaing each other for the stupidest reasons ever and I'm the idiot, but that's honestly how I feel about most of your "meta" analysis towards each other.
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Sorry rayn, you'll have to wait for the post you want a bit longer.
@Moosy: Is there a specific reason you're not voting for me? As far as I recall, you've had me pegged as fairly likely to be scum, and based on votecount alone I'd be a better option for you to vote than Wile. After all, you can only be certain of your own alignment. So, how come?
Slightly related, I really don't think Moosy should be lynched today, and in the worst case scenario of the vote ending between me and Moosy (hopefully not), I may vote in such a way that it is less likely for Moosy to get lynched.
I'll try to do my best to give you reasoning for better targets, even if I believe it is unlikely for people to assemble on someone such as marv at this point.
For now though: ##vote: Wile E. Coyote
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On September 17 2015 04:31 ritoky wrote:
@cephiro, is this accurate?
On September 17 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cephiro is mafia because when he is town he tries to find mafia, when he is mafia he is more interested in arguing why he isn't mafia and reading obvious townies town.
In my personal opinion, the bolded part is accurate sometimes. As for reading obvious townies town as mafia, sometimes it's a good play and sometimes it's not a good play. Situationally correct, but I believe rayn means it's something I'd continously aim to do (or unconciously do) as mafia, which I'm quite certain I don't.
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@rayn: It's more about me being curious why he is not currently doing that at he moment (which I'm also still waiting an answer on.) Since the answer could very well tilt my read on him a fair bit.
I am certainly implying there is a possibility I might not vote for him in such a scenario, but I'd like to wait until he replies before I might elaborate on that further. For now I'd still lynch him over me, due to the reason I pointed out which you also quoted me for.
@ritoky: rayn is very likely town, I have reasons to lean town on Onegu, I'm very confident at least one of Koshi / ritoky(you) is town. I currently believe it's also very likely Moosy is town. The remainder consist of people whom I'd either see as possible scum, hesitant to townread, or unsure / need more content to lean towards a way or another.
Currently writing up about marv. Even if it's not going to get him lynched today, nor might it be the best content, I want to be transparent and share the things about his play that make me suspicious of him at the moment.
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On September 17 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you curious? Like do you think he could be mafia for it?
If you do, how is that possible when you - assuming you think you are town - do basicallythe same thing?
If you don't think he is mafia what's the point of bringing this up ~2h before the lynch?
No, do not write about marv. If you do not think you can lynch him there is absolutely no reason to write about marv over let's say Wile - because right now it is not clear the person you want to lynch is getting lynched over your (assumedly?) top town read.
Cephiro you are really scummy when you do this shit... you should know better.
You are focusing on irrelevant matters instead of relevant ones.
Well I guess you're correct that it's not the best thing to do at this moment if I'm not certain it'll get him lynched, which I do doubt. So I'll post my thoughts on marv during the nightcycle when it won't interfere with more important matters at hand, fair point.
It's no about why I'm curious, certainly his reason will have an effect on my read on him, but how could you not be? He said I'm one of his top scumreads, and instead he's voting for Wile (also a top scumread of his).
For me the situation is a bit different, as I think it is fairly likely for him to be town. If he gets lynched, then whatever he ended up answering is fairly irrelevant. If he doesn't get lynched, it's likely to be of some extent useful content. And most importantly, it will affect my read on him, which at this point (soon before the lynch), is fairly relevant.
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I have to admit it's very amusing to see my votelist consist of the players I'm most suspicious of right now.
Aside for onegu, idk why the hell he's on that wagon.
So geript, do you have any actual reasoning for voting me? Or are you going based off on "I'm going to do nothing but sheep, and I claimed a townread on Moosy so that's my only option that I don't have to put effort in"?
Or were you getting concerned that you won't get a majority on me in time, and wanted to ensure I'm the first one with X votes in case of a tie?
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I'd be prepared to consolidate on jat if necessary, or even geript if there is enough interest in that wagon.
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On September 17 2015 05:38 geript wrote: dat hurts, but I understand it w/ my recent games. Still hurst
By still not giving any reasoning (even to the extent of "I'm just a lazy fuck and sheeping"), and still voting on me, you're currently consolidating your position in the bottom list to be even stronger. For someone that hasn't said jack shit about me, you seem fairly confident I'm the best lynch for today.
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Pardon, I was mainly refering to your reluctance of providing a single word of reasoning about your vote on me, not your overall thread presence. Everyone is busy at times and you're still playing, I can see that much.
So however mad you might be, you can't deny replying with _anything at all_ as for why you're even voting on me, someone you haven't given a fuck about during the whole game pretty much, is too much asked without making you look either terrible or more scummy than before?
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E: I'll give you, after reading through your sea of fucks I did find you admitted to purely sheeping. In any case, you should move your vote on someone else. (JAT & Wile not being bad options at all.)
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