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scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 02:19 GMT

#2914

On September 07 2015 06:54 Alakaslam wrote:

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And I vouch this, doesn't change my opinion on GB however

Why not go for the ML? If he's mafia - he knows n00bking is town though - and I am as well. He's going to bus GB the whole time when no one was suspicious of GB so when town actually sees GB's scummyness we'll swap to him on a whim?

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 02:50 GMT

#2916

On September 07 2015 07:19 Superbia wrote:
Can we be safe and just fucking lynch noobking? We can have a counterclaim and kill him tomorrow. Jesus.

Covering for GB (which we know is mafia now) ?

On September 07 2015 08:43 NocturneMage wrote:
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon

If gb's claim is true, and for now we assume it is - then there's definitely a cop about. And no framer to mess about.

I'd recommend to check into breshke/boxer/slam. MD has a 7 page filter which can be sorted out.

Pretty slick here

<3

You played it well NM.

On September 07 2015 11:10 scott31337 wrote:

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On September 07 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Basically GB is lying. He did not claim vigi to "not get shot".

On September 05 2015 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:

On September 05 2015 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
the third paragraph is jsut outright bullshit for anyone who knows yamato's/Slam's play.
fourth is well... how i play as town. + the fact i was not creating a poor atmosphere, in fact you GB were. And i was fucking prodictive, i have been all game long. Over anyone else.
fifth is kinda hilarious because he uses "you saying i am 98% scum is useless and stupid crap" as a reason to scumread me when my answer is literally an answer to his stupid question. Stupid questions get stupid answers.
sixth is just fucking rofl. Like me saying i am town makes me mafia. Okay right.
seventh..... ugh i don't even care anymore, i have been pushing an agenda he thinks is townie all game long, and now i am scum for it.

this guy is hilarious.

Meh, I don't know. I'm not sure about you. I really dislike your pushes on me and Breshke because I think they were out of place. You should know what I was trying to do. Well, Breshke does. No use talking about it.
I think the biggest problem is your read on yamato. It's off. It's still too early to call him town + I didn't like his opening, felt forced.

He say's rayn should understand and that I do understand why he claimed vigi.

Quick history lesson GB coached me in one of my newbie games and im fairly sure it was there that he told me how he normally opens up the day by saying stuff that will start up some conversation. For example he will say something like "I am town" and colour the word town red.

So when GB says I know why he claimed vigi it is because he was doing what i explained above. It doesn't make him town because GB does that first post play as both alignments.

What does make him mafia is him claiming that he claimed vigi so he wouldn't get shot by mafia which is basically confirmed bullshit given the post I quoted. Like counterclaim or not I really doubt GB is the doctor considering he is trying to justify his claim with bullshit.

So In theory GB's claim will solve itself tomorrow and it's why I personally did not want to drain on it, but makes me curious why want you want to tonight - time zones?

Do you think the claim is bullshit?

Who else do you think are mafia?

Makes a lot of sense now.

I'm done reading thru the thread now - read until Day 1 and pointed out the things I found interesting.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 03:43 GMT

#2917

On September 07 2015 05:58 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay so I'm going to read GB's filter again.

But I'm actually starting to think that one of the mafia might be Superbia. A quick flick through his four page filter gave me very little sense of where he actually stands, despite the fact that he keeps pushing everyone else for their views. He also seems to be on n00b, but he isn't chiming in with a read thereon. Wondering if anyone else has any thoughts on this? I haven't seen many Superbia reads.

Fidei Can you tell me your thought here?

On September 10 2015 09:44 Fidei86 wrote:
MD:

"Bussing" is thrown around a lot here, but honestly I've seen mafia pile on to plenty of mafia wagons. The thing to look out for is:

1. Does their vote feel organic and well supported by reasoning, or does it seem opportunistic; AND
2. Was their vote early enough that it actually made a difference, either in gaining the lynch momentum or pushing it over the edge?

For me, I honestly had a pretty poor read on GB d1. I did post that his reads were all over the place, but it wasn't a hard read or anything. My reasoning for switching onto him was basically "I hate the Cake and the Rayn lynches", and GB seemed like the much better option to me. I was fourth or fifth onto him. So I was either the hammer, or I was near enough. On d1. I think it was fairly obvious that a big wagon was going to build on him (scott, for example, hadn't voted yet but he was scum reading GB), so I get less town cred than otherwise.

But yeah, I think I should get a fair bit. I was also the only one making the obvious argument that GB's claim was rubbish and rayn's claim was correct. I get WAY less credit for that, because it was so frikkin' obvious.

I've been playing voice all evening, so I'll have to follow-up the filters in the morning.

A bit tinfoil - and I know geript is an awesome scum coach who I have I've worked with - but this almost feels like geript here giving advice you are parroting.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 05:02 GMT

#2919

There's only one mafia left and Alakaslam and Superbia suck.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 05:32 GMT

#2926

On September 16 2015 14:12 NocturneMage wrote:
MoosyDoosy, the tinfoil mafia.

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Did MD have TMI on n00b?

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On September 08 2015 21:11 Fidei86 wrote:

On September 08 2015 09:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:

On September 08 2015 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:

On September 08 2015 09:24 Superbia wrote:
I'm here. Moosydoosy what do you make of the claims?

rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game.
i still think gb claim is BS.

fuck you i literally counter claimed because GB claimed my role and is not a doctor.
If GB flips town doctor you lynch me the next day.
It is simple as that.

And you don't think neither of us is mafia which automatically makes you scum.

no this can be false because i think you are angry as you are right now and that you're putting enough faith into your gb read to try and kill him.

Moosy, I'm trying to get a handle on whether you actually believe what you're saying here. Let me get this straight - you think that it is possible TOWN Rayn is fake counter-claiming DOCTOR GlowingBear, because Rayn is so angry at GB?

Let's consider that for a moment. When you get a claim/counter-claim situation as town then you absolutely have to, 100% of the time, lynch whichever of the claimers you don't believe. If they flip blue, you lynch the other claimer. You do this because there is no reason to think that the town claimer is lying. The reason for THAT is because if Rayn is VT and he's CCing GB, he will know we willl have to lynch them both. Town don't lie on these sorts of CCs because if they are wrong, it means two guarantees mislynches, and it ALSO means that town waste two days.

Let's say GB flips blue. We then lynch Rayn. We have to as he is a confirmed liar. If Rayn then flips green, we're in triple lylo with no doctor.

Put another way, town Rayn would be staking the entire game on his read of GB. More or less. Rayn might be emotional, but he's not a moron. I just refuse to believe that he's that idiotic and egotistical. I have been in voice-Mafia games where he has done this (I think), but those are just quick throwaway games for fun - this is a huge forum game where everyone is putting in hours and hours of time. It's very different.

The only reason not to scum read Moosy is that his read of the situation is so far off the beaten path, and makes so little sense, I don't see scum pushing it.

Rayn - if you are VT then you will need to personally apologies to every town member for throwing.

Everyone else- the vote today is GB 100%. Please read what I said earlier above about the context of Rayn and GB's claim, if you're unsure.

More TMI?

The first post I do not see it at all - so help us out there what you are thinking.

The second is a possibility though - a lot of wording about GB.

Breshke got roleblocked and was guessed correctly by mafia as the doctor n2/d3.

Fidei pointed out that the doctor cannot save the same person two nights in a row. Breshke's confirmed doc. Rayn died. Breshke was not faught on his save.

I'm like in super tinfoil world here if Fidei is mafia.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 05:48 GMT

#2927

I see what you are referring to now - that MD was hard defending N00bking as town the whole game - but shows there he's a ??? and Fidei pointed it out.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 05:54 GMT

#2928

On September 16 2015 09:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Eh, I’m pretty sure I’ll die. There’s literally no reason to keep me around unless mafia is trying to force some really hard tinfoil on me. oh yea, NocturneMage, did u ever finish that tinfoil case on me? I was kinda expecting it because I thought it’d be funny.

I disagree with this personally - would you elaborate?

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 06:10 GMT

#2929

On September 16 2015 14:15 NocturneMage wrote:
If MoosyDoosy is in three man lylo with Superbia and Fidei....oh man.

More tinfoil.

Help me out here though -

You're dead tomorrow.

It's me/Scott, Slam, Fidei, MD, and Superbia.

Only one mafia and four are town.

Only town have partners - mafia does not.

Superbia and Slam are sucking right now - I believe Slam's IRL excuse - Superbia has none at the moment.

I've checked some tinfoil theories that MD is mafia - and I have to go in the cause that if he is - I give him the game for him on CopCake the WHOLE game. This theory is unreasonable - doesn't fit - doesn't make sense - deserves to win.

If Fidei is mafia - yeah - <5% - basically tinfoil - I've read this thread multiple times - He was off on things, but his progression fits. I thought he was the cop but I was incorrect - and mafia didn't know either. It's why I townread him a little more than other people.
Md had a decent point about Fidei "assuming" we are going to LYLO though.

I've posted Superbia's wishy washyness - and reading the D1 filter on how the GB lynch went down - I'm about 89% sure he's the last mafia - unsure about GB - unsure about Copcake - the claims - I've posted all of this. Should be the lynch tomorrow.

Slam did the magic phat bus (I'm claiming those words) on GB the whole game too if he's mafia. He was really posty (and was Breshke) that I feel fits a more town meta. I think I may break out some TL mafia database to back this up. Slam is still #2 and should be lynched next - 15%?. Reasonably, nothing else makes sense.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 06:16 GMT

#2930

On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).

Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.

Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.

Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.

Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).

Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.

GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.

Rest also IDK.

So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow.

I know I linked this post in my filter for a reason.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 06:35 GMT

#2931

On September 06 2015 04:13 Alakaslam wrote:

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I may have a bit of confirmation bias but I'm pretty confident Superbia is the last mafia.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 06:39 GMT

#2932

On September 15 2015 05:26 NocturneMage wrote:

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So all d1 superbia struggles with Copcake's alignment. Nearly all of d1.

And then out of nowhere, this?

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Could "scumperbia" just have tried to ease off when the pressure was clearly off?

any input?

Re-read the bold NM showed here.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 06:40 GMT

#2933

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24858954

Quotes kind of hide it.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 07:02 GMT

#2934

Your confidence here of you dying makes me wonder from my point of view.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 16 2015 22:02 GMT

#2994

You'll bemissed bud, I'll do some catching up later, busy day at work today and phone posting.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 17 2015 21:40 GMT

#3071

So I've been really swamped at work - networks going down all the time I have to babysit for - so haven't had much time to play.

I see Slam's thought process - and I've done a number of "Ctrl F" filter finds this time and posted all of my thoughts. So just to clarify-
Slam looked worse until he actually posted his AFK reasoning AND out'ed of the other game that I know he wanted to play in due to who was in the game. I saw the /out - I waited for him to say it in the thread (So I don't get any crap for OGI) and then I replied to it and it all made sense.
I re-read Superbia's, Slam's, Fidei's and GB's filter - I came to the conclusion that Superbia was scummier with his voting, interactions with GB/CopCake, the waffle on both - confirmed town posting, etc. Slam looked more natural, but you would be the first one I'd review if the game made it to LYLO and somehow Superbia is town (which is quite doubtful).

I'll try to get some more time on later.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 17 2015 23:51 GMT

#3074

I got some for the moment if you have any questions.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 19 2015 18:46 GMT

#3239

On September 19 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The only thing that Superbia had of note in his filter was his solid belief that Alakaslam was Mafia.

I'd like scott to explain a few things:
- his read progression on CopCake
- his read progression on me
- his thoughts on Fidei/Alakaslam

I pretty much went with town sentiment that CopCake was town d1/d2ish and then started being useless so she went downhill - and then the red check confirmation.

I was suspicious of you basically the whole game - your d3 showed pretty townie (you stepped it up quite a bit) and with your tunnel on CopCake basically the whole game - after the check you basically have to be town or you did some next level award nomination mafia play. You are my #1 town read.

Not much has really changed - I was pretty confident of Superbia being the last mafia - He finally steps it up when he's the lynch which is disappointing. (Work has sucked all week, usually it's been slow, but I've had to put out fires all week basically and haven't had time for the game, I apologize for that)

Fidei seems like he's trying to solve the game.

It pretty much has to be Alakaslam.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 19 2015 19:18 GMT

#3250

Day 1 Votecount

GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred
CopCake (3): n00bking, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage
n00bking (1): Superbia
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott31337 (1): GlowingBear

Not Voting (0):

Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote.

-Final Day 1-

Final Day 1 Votecount

n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
CopCake (2): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage
GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott31337 (1): CopCake

Not Voting (0):

Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes.

-Final Day 2-

Day 2 Votecount

GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia
CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy
raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear

Not Voting (0):

In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote.

-Final Day 3-

boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337
Superbia (3): Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam
Fidei86 (1): Superbia
MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred
scott31337 (1): CopCake

Not Informing (0):

Day 4 Votecount

CopCake (6): scott31337, NocturneMage, MoosyDoosy, Superbia, Alakaslam, Fidei86
NocturneMage (1):[/b] CopCake

Not Voting (0):

If CopCake doesn't watch it, they are liable to handelin' the wrong end of a pistol in with 6 votes. Please do not forget to vote.

Day 5 Votecount

Superbia (3): scott31337, MoosyDoosy, Fidei86
scott31337 (2): Alakaslam, Superbia

Not Voting (0):

[b]Currently Superbia is set to be fired by the flies.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 19 2015 19:19 GMT

#3251

I am town and I removed my own greens just so the others here that 100% do not believe that can still use this, since you guys never quoted or posted these before - don't try to WIFOM it (he's not green he's mafia/etc BS)

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 19 2015 19:34 GMT

#3253

It was during night 2 when were bluehunting in my opinion and calling rayn's claim fake (well we know Rayn's claim is fake now, but at the time we did not - Breshke knew what he was trying to do and Rayn was town so he let him roll with it) - and your tunnel on Copcake just seemed so weird at the time too, and as I've said before "You were right!"

I have to head out for a couple hours though.

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