EPTyeah is the best case ever
get a nobel prize ready already pls.
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CopCake
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yeah is the best case ever get a nobel prize ready already pls. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 06 2015 06:59 NocturneMage wrote: Going through Copcake's filter as one of the issues requested - some leans I see from both alignments. mafia - the reads on glowingbear make zero sense. First she asks him how is rayn mafia then there's zero to little follow up on gb until her list post. But there her read still doesn't make sense - if gb doesn't care whether he dies or not shouldn't that make him town? the mafia need to try and survive, at least that's what gb (lol) told me in the mafia qt from my last newbie game. Anyways, also expanding on the useless details might help here - because I saw where he returned a rebuttal on rayn's read on breshke - didn't think that was useless for example. - also post 611 on moosydoosy - if moosydoosy is paying too much attention to her isn't that a towntell if he's pushing her? Or at least not alignment if he has to defend himself? I read around that post and I don't see how moosy is being "antagonistic". - read on slam - alright I don't know either of her or slam so I will ignore meta. But to say that slam is town for not being antagonistic like moosy or n00bking - this is not exclusive to mafia, I just got done finishing observing the personality game and Mr. Nice Guy in Judge Judy carried mafia. Basically this read is a bad reason to read Slam town, I am finding most of his posting nonsensical at best but for the reasons you specified it's a poor reason Those are scumtells, admittedly your read on moosy and you pushing him is a town action, so I'm going to say a null to scum lean on you for now. Also since you mentioned it what do you mean by pocketing? I'm sure I've heard it in my only other game but I forget the meanting now. On September 07 2015 00:35 Fidei86 wrote: I just re-read 817 NM, what were your thoughts on it? I don't think that "that's just how I play" is ever a good excuse for scummy play. But then again, like I said before, I don't see any particular reason to scum read her for her play. I admit that I might be biased because I've played voice Mafia with cake and she seemed very nice. But in those games she was always town and she got scum read a lot. Her responses in this game have reminded me a lot of how she played then too. So, yeah, I won't vote to lynch her today. I'm going to go back to Slam's filter again. You said he plays with a lot of filler always - I need to try and find some of his substantive posts to really wrestle with. That's the thing though, you basically answered my question. That was a pretty bad answer like she didn't want to respond. I know the case was made for her being non native, so I am reading around that and trying to give her a chance to explain how gb is scummy - at least alakaslam is explaining that gb isn't thinking for himself, which explains a mafia motivation/action, whether that's founded or not is a different issue. I said to her I had trouble understanding why she's voting people or scumreading people for things that reflect town actions. I outlined that in a previous post - On September 06 2015 06:59 NocturneMage wrote: Going through Copcake's filter as one of the issues requested - some leans I see from both alignments. mafia - the reads on glowingbear make zero sense. First she asks him how is rayn mafia then there's zero to little follow up on gb until her list post. But there her read still doesn't make sense - if gb doesn't care whether he dies or not shouldn't that make him town? the mafia need to try and survive, at least that's what gb (lol) told me in the mafia qt from my last newbie game. Anyways, also expanding on the useless details might help here - because I saw where he returned a rebuttal on rayn's read on breshke - didn't think that was useless for example. - also post 611 on moosydoosy - if moosydoosy is paying too much attention to her isn't that a towntell if he's pushing her? Or at least not alignment if he has to defend himself? I read around that post and I don't see how moosy is being "antagonistic". - read on slam - alright I don't know either of her or slam so I will ignore meta. But to say that slam is town for not being antagonistic like moosy or n00bking - this is not exclusive to mafia, I just got done finishing observing the personality game and Mr. Nice Guy in Judge Judy carried mafia. Basically this read is a bad reason to read Slam town, I am finding most of his posting nonsensical at best but for the reasons you specified it's a poor reason Those are scumtells, admittedly your read on moosy and you pushing him is a town action, so I'm going to say a null to scum lean on you for now. Also since you mentioned it what do you mean by pocketing? I'm sure I've heard it in my only other game but I forget the meanting now. I haven't played voice mafia, so I can't really comment on that. I have nothing to go on except the way she presents herself here. And I tell you the same thing I am telling rayn, I don't really want to rely on metareads from other people. ---------------------- now here's the kicker, this was all d1. if gb flips scum, it's this stuff that whilst it makes it unlikely that cake is or would get a teammate killed d1, the reasons she specified in her list post are poor. For example, slam is nice therefore is town. Really? Personality Mafia anyone? In general not every scum player is or acts like a dick. When you also take that and combine it with the fact that a few of us are struggling to make sense of Slam's filter and are finding it much more tenuous (save for people who might know him that well like yamato) it makes that read look much worse. Cake seems to be inexperienced so it doesn't make sense that she's just townread him off something easily like that. The read on moosy also seemed like a weasal argument as well - I read around her response to him and Moosy had pretty well laid out explanations as for his reads to her. The gb read I explained was faulty because she was scumreading him for what was a town behaviour. There's that and the overall argument from Scott that she's very much in the backseat aside that list post. Though according to n00bking there was some other argument from him IDK. Now at this juncture gb's flip will give me some pause, but that was my overall issue with her d1 prior to the entire doctor claims that went down. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
1. CopCake gets hung up over inconsequential details and attempts to blow them out of proportion. + Show Spoiler + Cop asks me this pointless question early on which is easily explained and gets hung up over it. Just because I’m able to notice that they’re good friends shows in no way that I’m Mafia. It’s NAI or just shows that I’m perceptive. On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote: Sorry I am busy and how can Moosy be town? Like he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" Like how the fuck does he has that kind of info that we get along extremely too well? That's why I asked he says he was playing but he got it extremely right. + Show Spoiler + My comment was a joke but she tries to make something out of it. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote: How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in? Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? 2. She continuously brings up points that were already addressed in an attempt to fill her arguments with filler. + Show Spoiler + Here I explain how I noticed rayn and her were good friends and she accepts it readily. Then…I’m scum read for it again in this post of hers? On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. + Show Spoiler + My post about rayn calming down once CopCake joined was also more of a joke AND I still explained it for her benefit but she STILL brings it up in the very same post. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said “rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. + Show Spoiler + I’ve already explained half her points but she brings them up again in order to make it look like her argument is compelling and has basis. In fact, she tries to stress it in her next post. On September 06 2015 06:12 CopCake wrote: Omg i wrote the biggest post so far this round. 3. CopCake’s tone. Yes. Tone is part of this case. + Show Spoiler + Her tone is VERY anti-town. Rather than pressuring people, she attempts to demean them which creates a bad town atmosphere. The following posts serve no other purpose in the thread other than to create filler and belittle others. On September 05 2015 10:38 CopCake wrote: someone is FROZEN On September 05 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote: Ok, let me predict the next post of moosy "lol bla bla bla i can't explain it" "insert some eminem song and a joke haha town" On September 05 2015 11:32 CopCake wrote: The fact he doesn't realize STUFF is pretty telling tho << talking about noobking. On September 05 2015 11:57 CopCake wrote: No reasons, how cute. This is like the third time you have been saying that shit. + Show Spoiler + If this was how she posts every time then I would accept it. After all, rayn has a very aggressive tone and isn’t afraid to push his weight around. HOWEVER, CopCake freely admits that her tone is fake. On September 05 2015 11:07 CopCake wrote: 1.- This is a community in which only few people know me. Pretty few people know me and rayn get a long too well and love to play with each other. I missunderstood you and I say sorry. It's pretty ok for me to panic when someone knows details about me and just makes me wonder "how do they know this shit", it's obvious. 2.- I am not nooby, in fact I am bragging a lot. 3.- I am not sheeping rayn, he changed his vote to alakazam and i am on noobking, i even said he is frozen. 4.- Never came in a real conclusion? I didn't like he hasn't come and is fighting me when 5 min ago or less he was being pretty active, he got FROZEN, he doesn't have an answer. This game will be easy. If you go back and read her posts, they are clearly an act. She’s trying to seem confident and tries to throw her weight around and establish thread presence. These are all things Mafia would do to try and pull of mislynches. Here she’s creating bad town atmosphere with me and n00bKing in order to create the thread presence to lynch us. (btw, I didn’t fall for this although n00bKing sadly did) + Show Spoiler + I don’t like to keep bringing this up, but this post just clearly outlines how she’s trying to create bad town atmosphere. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. Besides being full of filler as I already pointed out, this whole thing tries to make it look like I’m making little sense when I’ve already explained away half her arguments. I know I’m focusing a bit on the parts where she interacts with me, but the same goes for n00bKing. She’s trying to create easy mislynches on the the both of us especially since I associate myself so much with n00bKing who everyone is reading as Mafia. + Show Spoiler + I’d also like people to look back carefully at my interaction with CopCake. I ALWAYS make the effort to respond calmly. I ALWAYS make the effort to explain why I’m doing what I’m doing and give reasons for my reads when she asks. But in return all she does is yell at me and get worked up over my calm answers. This is because she’s feeling the pressure from being pointed out as Mafia. A townie would calmly brush away the suspicion but she’s caught and attempts to clear the suspicion through yelling and making it seem like my answers are bad. 4. CopCake tries to pocket. + Show Spoiler + As we all know, rayn doesn’t pull his punches and he has big thread presence. It would make absolute sense for Mafia to cuddle up to him in order to be townread and defended by him. These posts just show that she’s trying to do this where she defends him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to) and tries to lynch the same person as him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to). On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote: Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game. When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote: Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. On September 05 2015 11:54 CopCake wrote: Rayn soneji killed you in the other game. I am laughing so hard. On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote: I don't like noobking for this things: > How he voted you > Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but but the BIG BUT IS > it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia. Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote: Eh ok. Noobking TALK TO ME and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES. look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer. I hope you understand that. 5. CopCake uses terrible reasoning and isn’t clearly reading the thread. + Show Spoiler + As promised, I’ll point out why her defense of rayn is so bad. First is this post: On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote: Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. This DOES NOT show rayn is town but in fact shows that he is Mafia. Mafia would try and get hung up over little details and blow them out of proportion to force a mislynch. The only reason why rayn would be read as town this early is meta: basically his eagerness to dive into the thread and his standard aggressive townie manner. + Show Spoiler + CopCake’s arguments to vote n00bKing are terrible as well. This is her case against him: On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote: I don't like noobking for this things: > How he voted you > Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but but the BIG BUT IS > it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia. Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. Point 1 makes no sense. There have been some points stated against rayn (which I’ll go into in the next spoiler) but she brushes them aside. There is no reason to immediately say that rayn is town but she does so almost as if she has TMI. Point 2 makes less sense. It’s not even a point. “You sometimes don’t make logic to some people, but because you make logic to some people which is subjective, so you are town because you are aggressive.” She talks about two different things (logic and rayn’s aggressiveness) and…I’m sorry but I don’t even know. The part after the but makes no sense either. My head hurts trying to read this. + Show Spoiler + Now she asks n00bKing why rayn’s Mafia which has been provided a BUNCH of times. Here’s her question: On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote: Eh ok. Noobking TALK TO ME and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES. look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer. I hope you understand that. The points against rayn at that point in the game are as follows. 1. He was using meta reads for Alakaslam when he normally uses harder material. 2. He was using tone reads for yamato77 when he normally uses harder material. 3. He doesn’t seem to question his reads afterwards on both Alakaslam and yamato but easily gives way that Slam is probably town and continues to maintain that yamato is town with no question. 4. He blowed the GlowingBear claim out of proportion when it was a joke. The interesting thing is that CopCake says that rayn normally doesn’t use meta and town reads: On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote: Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game. When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. But here he is CLEARLY doing that but she thinks that he’s town?? Meanwhile she reads both me AND n00bKing as scum for pointing this out. This is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION. This shows she’s not reading the thread and she’s trying hard to force a mislynch. Note that she doesn’t even follow up on this either even though BOTH of us have explained this. 6. She’s now hiding + Show Spoiler + Self-explanatory. Literally non-existent now. Speaks for itself. While rayn and Fidei are hammering at me about not posting a stance on the claims, she gets away with it? I think that rayn is too biased when it comes to her, but Fidei. Okay. Posting case now at Superbia’s request. | ||
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CopCake
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OH BEST CASE EVER. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 08 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote: > cake is mafia because the dude that was lynched believed that yeah is the best case ever get a nobel prize ready already pls. It's not that he believed you were mafia, it's WHY. Please. And now that you are here, here's a question - so if gb flips mafia, who are his partners and why? | ||
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CopCake
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On September 08 2015 09:49 CopCake wrote: Probably moosy as i said before and maybe someone who is in the shadows trying to not have too much attention, probs bershke feeling the pressure?  | ||
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CopCake
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trying not to lynch your scum panda glowing bear? | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On September 08 2015 09:51 CopCake wrote: Nah, more like you are getting the guns at you. trying not to lynch your scum panda glowing bear? nope. i'm just absolutely confident you and fidei are mafia buddies. | ||
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NocturneMage
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On September 08 2015 09:52 NocturneMage wrote: Yeah MD I also took issue with #3, she blew that out of proportion by saying you were antagonising her. Like I read around her response to you. Her comment against you is bullshit. what do you think about the case in general? | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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CopCake
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On September 08 2015 09:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##Vote: CopCake You are going to vote me when there is confirmed mafia in glowing bear? wtf? yeah gg you are the other mafia  | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On September 08 2015 09:55 CopCake wrote: You are going to vote me when there is confirmed mafia in glowing bear? wtf? yeah gg you are the other mafia -shrugs- it may be you, Fidei, and GB but I'm content with killing you first. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 08 2015 09:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: what do you think about the case in general? I think the case overall is excellent. #1 and 3 were points that n00bking alluded to, and #3 and #5 were similar to the ideas I was hammering home. I'm also not impressed she couldn't readily produce the associative reads off her top scum read. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On September 08 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote: > cake is mafia because the dude that was lynched believed that yeah is the best case ever get a nobel prize ready already pls. I think GB's case on me was better. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
I hate to be pushy but this is my first time being so confident in a read and with a case to boot. Thoughts about it? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 08 2015 09:55 CopCake wrote: You are going to vote me when there is confirmed mafia in glowing bear? wtf? yeah gg you are the other mafia Honestly if MD were mafia and his scummate had gotten counterclaimed by Mr. Town Leader, most mafia would just go full bus mode and blend in, not draw full out attention like this especially drawing the ire of said Town Leader. There's nothing scummy about someone who makes a case and believes in his case, he's believed it in from the off. It's on you to poke holes in it. I'd argue he's pretty towny on a day we could easily go so-called autopilot and fuck off based on this counterclaim, he's still doing a load of work. So far you haven't been able to refute any of the points made against you. Nor have you answered any of the questions posed since d1. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
What if I said that #4 feels more like that you know rayn is town? | ||
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