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On September 08 2015 08:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: eh. i still think it's copcake + fidei with someone else but i might be getting too tunneled. fidei comes off looking worse from this. BEFORE I GO TO BED I WANT TO POINT OUT IN ALL CAPITALS THAT MOOSY HAS NEITHER OF THE CLAIMED F****** DOCTORS IN HIS F****** SCUM LIST. LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE EITHER OF THEM? Are you kidding me with this shit? | ||
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I've got to say I found your post on Rayn v GB unconvincing. You said that you believe GB's case on me (which is basically "how could he believe Rayn?"), and that you think there is a flaw in rayn's argument, but that you still want to vote GB because you're town reading Rayn? I mean, the claims change everything. I don't think "I'm town reading Rayn" is sufficient reason to choose him. The claim context analysis is far more important - rayn's claim makes no sense from a Mafia perspective, whereas GB's does. But more importantly than that, I want to know why Scott is in your town circle? Has he done something particularly towny that I missed? | ||
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IDK, what is there for Bresh to re-evaluate? He already thought GB's claim was fake. Rayn's CC just confirms it in his mind. That totally makes sense to me from a town perspective. It is possible he was trying to bus. Need to read his filter quickly. | ||
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But that actually changes my view somewhat - I'd also thought he was on the GB wagon for some reason. In the circumstances where GB already fake claims, mafia Bresh would have nothing to lose by pressuring him, especially because it was reasonable to assume town would not lynch into him without a CC. So, yeah. Bresh loses his town Jesus cred for now. | ||
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On September 08 2015 17:45 boxerfred wrote: Fidei seriously start stepping it up. You're active but you have so many mis-calls, misreading stuff over and over, arguing really bad - I really didn't like your "rayn's claim is real" stuff especially since you argued so try-hard "I'm naive and instabelieve it". Sorry, I think before the post that I quoted, there was no way to know that it's a true CC. Only way to know that it's a real CC is if you'd be scum and GlowingBear would be your ally. Well I can't really respond to the first one, other than to say yes, I've made a couple more typographical and comprehension errors than usual here. They're all innocent, and I've admitted to all of them. IDK, I would argue that that's more of a town tell, since mafia are usually more concerned about what they post and whether it makes them look bad, and this would be my first time as mafia too. Still, point taken. But as to your second point - please explain to me what you don't like about the case. A few people have said this and I really don't get it. Like, from a claims analysis perspective, rayn's CC makes *no* sense if he's mafia. Why tie himself so closely to the GB flip, when literally everyone is town-reading him? If he was mafia and knew GB's claim was real, why on earth would he make it so that he is auto-lynched D3? GB's claim, by comparison, was made in the heat of the moment to save his life. In those circumstances, a fake claim to get a townie killed makes perfect sense. I'm genuinely confused now why this isn't obvious to everyone. Am I making some leap of logic somewhere? | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: no this can be false because i think you are angry as you are right now and that you're putting enough faith into your gb read to try and kill him. Moosy, I'm trying to get a handle on whether you actually believe what you're saying here. Let me get this straight - you think that it is possible TOWN Rayn is fake counter-claiming DOCTOR GlowingBear, because Rayn is so angry at GB? Let's consider that for a moment. When you get a claim/counter-claim situation as town then you absolutely have to, 100% of the time, lynch whichever of the claimers you don't believe. If they flip blue, you lynch the other claimer. You do this because there is no reason to think that the town claimer is lying. The reason for THAT is because if Rayn is VT and he's CCing GB, he will know we willl have to lynch them both. Town don't lie on these sorts of CCs because if they are wrong, it means two guarantees mislynches, and it ALSO means that town waste two days. Let's say GB flips blue. We then lynch Rayn. We have to as he is a confirmed liar. If Rayn then flips green, we're in triple lylo with no doctor. Put another way, town Rayn would be staking the entire game on his read of GB. More or less. Rayn might be emotional, but he's not a moron. I just refuse to believe that he's that idiotic and egotistical. I have been in voice-Mafia games where he has done this (I think), but those are just quick throwaway games for fun - this is a huge forum game where everyone is putting in hours and hours of time. It's very different. The only reason not to scum read Moosy is that his read of the situation is so far off the beaten path, and makes so little sense, I don't see scum pushing it. Rayn - if you are VT then you will need to personally apologies to every town member for throwing. Everyone else- the vote today is GB 100%. Please read what I said earlier above about the context of Rayn and GB's claim, if you're unsure. | ||
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On the basis that GB flips Mafia (which I'd put at 94.9%, with the 5% being that Rayn is more arrogant than I thought and is fake claiming as town, and 0.1% Rayn is actually mentally retarded and is CCing as mafia), I see no world where Slam is Mafia. Slam was on the GB wagon before it was cool. And it wasn't just a throwaway read, he continually pushed him all day and even tried to keep people on him at the end. And he wanted to lynch him today regardless. I have other reasons to town read him. His read on n00b was similar to mine - he thought n00b was town, or at least was not convinced he was Mafia - but he was frustrated with noob's play. His explanation of his Bresh read was weird, but weird in a good way, like he was thinking something dumb that he thought better of. Finally, he mixes filler-type posts with analysis, and his comments are both probing (ie asking questions), pro-active (ie here's what we should do) and responsive. Also he seems to be one of the few people who is correctly town reading me, so he gets points for that. | ||
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On September 08 2015 21:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: no i never said that. i said gb's claim makes little sense in the first place and that he was probably lying. but i do think rayn is VT and just super confident in his read enough / angry enough to counter claim to get gb lynched. For the reasons I've already given, I would be VERY surprised if Rayn isn't the doctor. But whatever. I disagree with you pretty strongly on this, but being wrong (in my eyes) doesn't make you Mafia. I'll read your Cake case later. Phone is about to die. | ||
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MD: "reads" aren't the most important thing here. We have a claim and a counter-claim. Look at the circumstances. Rayn's makes sense, GB's doesn't. reads can feed into that, but having a "read" on someone like Cake, be stronger than the claim analysis just strikes me as super-duper weird. I shouldn't have to explain this. | ||
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"Peter, do you want the mystery box or the boat?" "Well a boat is a boat but the mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat! You know I've always wanted one of those." | ||
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On September 08 2015 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have literally zero reason to post until EoN2. Doesn't help i would most likely end up arguing with scummydoosy. False. We need to keep looking for the other 2 scum. Wasting a day is what the Mafia are hoping we'll do. Wow, the 1% on my phone has gone a while... | ||
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On September 09 2015 00:55 GlowingBear wrote: LOL I wake up to see that you guys are really voting me after all. After I'm lynched, please go after Rayn and fidei. After Rayn flips Mafia, go after fidei. I was voting fidei because I thought that Rayn could be angry VT fake claiming because he wanted me dead. It's not the first time I would see it. But Rayn had enough time to reevaluate and play pro-town. He didn't. It should be crystal clear that Rayn isn't the doctor even if I hadn't claimed. Maybe you'll have to explain why it should be clear that rayn isn't the doctor, since nobody else seems to be seeing it... | ||
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