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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 07 2015 23:29 GMT
#1487
You're not the only one confused by that bolded part. Assume by lynch you mean NK? But you're being framed because Yamato was Nked, and that makes GB town? Wtf?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 07 2015 23:35 GMT
#1495
My reason is that it's late here and I got confused. I don't proof read stuff as much as I should.

*shrug*
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 00:01 GMT
#1503
?? So I make a case on why we need to lynch GB over Rayn ie the decision town has to make today, and you all decide to scum read me because of a typo?

Ugh.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 00:03 GMT
#1505
Okay well maybe a typo isn't the right phrase. Brain fart? Obvious honest mistake? I don't even follow Slam's logic here. I'm Mafia and know that GB is cop, so after my scum buddy Rayn CC's I immediately come in and back him up by saying he claimed cop?

*shakes head*
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 00:03 GMT
#1506
Omg. Doctor. Jesus I really need to go to sleep.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 00:05 GMT
#1507
On September 08 2015 08:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
eh. i still think it's copcake + fidei with someone else but i might be getting too tunneled. fidei comes off looking worse from this.

BEFORE I GO TO BED I WANT TO POINT OUT IN ALL CAPITALS THAT MOOSY HAS NEITHER OF THE CLAIMED F****** DOCTORS IN HIS F****** SCUM LIST. LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE EITHER OF THEM?

Are you kidding me with this shit?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 00:09 GMT
#1510
Like we get a CC to a d1 claim made at the deadline, and the best MD can come up with is he might have been framed and therefore GB is town, Scott is town and cake and I are Mafia because ... I made a typo and Cake ... Reasons?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 08:18 GMT
#1583
Morning BF.

I've got to say I found your post on Rayn v GB unconvincing. You said that you believe GB's case on me (which is basically "how could he believe Rayn?"), and that you think there is a flaw in rayn's argument, but that you still want to vote GB because you're town reading Rayn?

I mean, the claims change everything. I don't think "I'm town reading Rayn" is sufficient reason to choose him. The claim context analysis is far more important - rayn's claim makes no sense from a Mafia perspective, whereas GB's does.

But more importantly than that, I want to know why Scott is in your town circle? Has he done something particularly towny that I missed?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 08:22 GMT
#1584
GB's flip will assist, but on the proviso that he flips Mafia, I think Bresh is the most likely town (other than Rayn). He was continuing to disbelieve GB's claim and was pushing his lynch before rayn's claim. That is a ton more convincing than anything Scott has done, as far as I can see.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 08:31 GMT
#1587
I just re-read Scott's filter and yes, you're right, he was on GB's case from quite early on. He never quite nails his colours to the mast, but ... yeah. If GB flips scum it's difficult to see Scott being Mafia too.

IDK, what is there for Bresh to re-evaluate? He already thought GB's claim was fake. Rayn's CC just confirms it in his mind. That totally makes sense to me from a town perspective. It is possible he was trying to bus. Need to read his filter quickly.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 08:32 GMT
#1588
Wait I misread your argument- you were talking about EOD1. My bad. I'll look back at the EOD now.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 08:45 GMT
#1589
Ok I think you might be mis-remembering because Breshke wasn't ever on the GB wagon. He claims to have been sleeping, and his vote was on Slam through EOD.

But that actually changes my view somewhat - I'd also thought he was on the GB wagon for some reason. In the circumstances where GB already fake claims, mafia Bresh would have nothing to lose by pressuring him, especially because it was reasonable to assume town would not lynch into him without a CC. So, yeah. Bresh loses his town Jesus cred for now.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 09:05 GMT
#1592
On September 08 2015 17:45 boxerfred wrote:
Fidei seriously start stepping it up. You're active but you have so many mis-calls, misreading stuff over and over, arguing really bad - I really didn't like your "rayn's claim is real" stuff especially since you argued so try-hard "I'm naive and instabelieve it". Sorry, I think before the post that I quoted, there was no way to know that it's a true CC. Only way to know that it's a real CC is if you'd be scum and GlowingBear would be your ally.

Well I can't really respond to the first one, other than to say yes, I've made a couple more typographical and comprehension errors than usual here. They're all innocent, and I've admitted to all of them. IDK, I would argue that that's more of a town tell, since mafia are usually more concerned about what they post and whether it makes them look bad, and this would be my first time as mafia too.

Still, point taken.

But as to your second point - please explain to me what you don't like about the case. A few people have said this and I really don't get it. Like, from a claims analysis perspective, rayn's CC makes *no* sense if he's mafia. Why tie himself so closely to the GB flip, when literally everyone is town-reading him? If he was mafia and knew GB's claim was real, why on earth would he make it so that he is auto-lynched D3? GB's claim, by comparison, was made in the heat of the moment to save his life. In those circumstances, a fake claim to get a townie killed makes perfect sense.

I'm genuinely confused now why this isn't obvious to everyone. Am I making some leap of logic somewhere?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 12:11 GMT
#1594
On September 08 2015 09:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:24 Superbia wrote:
I'm here. Moosydoosy what do you make of the claims?

rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game.
i still think gb claim is BS.

fuck you i literally counter claimed because GB claimed my role and is not a doctor.
If GB flips town doctor you lynch me the next day.
It is simple as that.

And you don't think neither of us is mafia which automatically makes you scum.

no this can be false because i think you are angry as you are right now and that you're putting enough faith into your gb read to try and kill him.


Moosy, I'm trying to get a handle on whether you actually believe what you're saying here. Let me get this straight - you think that it is possible TOWN Rayn is fake counter-claiming DOCTOR GlowingBear, because Rayn is so angry at GB?

Let's consider that for a moment. When you get a claim/counter-claim situation as town then you absolutely have to, 100% of the time, lynch whichever of the claimers you don't believe. If they flip blue, you lynch the other claimer. You do this because there is no reason to think that the town claimer is lying. The reason for THAT is because if Rayn is VT and he's CCing GB, he will know we willl have to lynch them both. Town don't lie on these sorts of CCs because if they are wrong, it means two guarantees mislynches, and it ALSO means that town waste two days.

Let's say GB flips blue. We then lynch Rayn. We have to as he is a confirmed liar. If Rayn then flips green, we're in triple lylo with no doctor.

Put another way, town Rayn would be staking the entire game on his read of GB. More or less. Rayn might be emotional, but he's not a moron. I just refuse to believe that he's that idiotic and egotistical. I have been in voice-Mafia games where he has done this (I think), but those are just quick throwaway games for fun - this is a huge forum game where everyone is putting in hours and hours of time. It's very different.

The only reason not to scum read Moosy is that his read of the situation is so far off the beaten path, and makes so little sense, I don't see scum pushing it.

Rayn - if you are VT then you will need to personally apologies to every town member for throwing.

Everyone else- the vote today is GB 100%. Please read what I said earlier above about the context of Rayn and GB's claim, if you're unsure.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 12:44 GMT
#1598
I've just read Slam's filter again, following on from what BF said, and BF is right, Slam was reluctant to move off GB, but did.

On the basis that GB flips Mafia (which I'd put at 94.9%, with the 5% being that Rayn is more arrogant than I thought and is fake claiming as town, and 0.1% Rayn is actually mentally retarded and is CCing as mafia), I see no world where Slam is Mafia.

Slam was on the GB wagon before it was cool. And it wasn't just a throwaway read, he continually pushed him all day and even tried to keep people on him at the end. And he wanted to lynch him today regardless.

I have other reasons to town read him. His read on n00b was similar to mine - he thought n00b was town, or at least was not convinced he was Mafia - but he was frustrated with noob's play. His explanation of his Bresh read was weird, but weird in a good way, like he was thinking something dumb that he thought better of. Finally, he mixes filler-type posts with analysis, and his comments are both probing (ie asking questions), pro-active (ie here's what we should do) and responsive.

Also he seems to be one of the few people who is correctly town reading me, so he gets points for that.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 12:51 GMT
#1599
On September 08 2015 21:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 21:11 Fidei86 wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:24 Superbia wrote:
I'm here. Moosydoosy what do you make of the claims?

rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game.
i still think gb claim is BS.

fuck you i literally counter claimed because GB claimed my role and is not a doctor.
If GB flips town doctor you lynch me the next day.
It is simple as that.

And you don't think neither of us is mafia which automatically makes you scum.

no this can be false because i think you are angry as you are right now and that you're putting enough faith into your gb read to try and kill him.


Moosy, I'm trying to get a handle on whether you actually believe what you're saying here. Let me get this straight - you think that it is possible TOWN Rayn is fake counter-claiming DOCTOR GlowingBear, because Rayn is so angry at GB?

Let's consider that for a moment. When you get a claim/counter-claim situation as town then you absolutely have to, 100% of the time, lynch whichever of the claimers you don't believe. If they flip blue, you lynch the other claimer. You do this because there is no reason to think that the town claimer is lying. The reason for THAT is because if Rayn is VT and he's CCing GB, he will know we willl have to lynch them both. Town don't lie on these sorts of CCs because if they are wrong, it means two guarantees mislynches, and it ALSO means that town waste two days.

Let's say GB flips blue. We then lynch Rayn. We have to as he is a confirmed liar. If Rayn then flips green, we're in triple lylo with no doctor.

Put another way, town Rayn would be staking the entire game on his read of GB. More or less. Rayn might be emotional, but he's not a moron. I just refuse to believe that he's that idiotic and egotistical. I have been in voice-Mafia games where he has done this (I think), but those are just quick throwaway games for fun - this is a huge forum game where everyone is putting in hours and hours of time. It's very different.

The only reason not to scum read Moosy is that his read of the situation is so far off the beaten path, and makes so little sense, I don't see scum pushing it.

Rayn - if you are VT then you will need to personally apologies to every town member for throwing.

Everyone else- the vote today is GB 100%. Please read what I said earlier above about the context of Rayn and GB's claim, if you're unsure.

no i never said that. i said gb's claim makes little sense in the first place and that he was probably lying. but i do think rayn is VT and just super confident in his read enough / angry enough to counter claim to get gb lynched.

For the reasons I've already given, I would be VERY surprised if Rayn isn't the doctor. But whatever. I disagree with you pretty strongly on this, but being wrong (in my eyes) doesn't make you Mafia.

I'll read your Cake case later. Phone is about to die.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 12:53 GMT
#1600
Okay I can't help myself.

MD: "reads" aren't the most important thing here. We have a claim and a counter-claim. Look at the circumstances. Rayn's makes sense, GB's doesn't. reads can feed into that, but having a "read" on someone like Cake, be stronger than the claim analysis just strikes me as super-duper weird. I shouldn't have to explain this.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 12:56 GMT
#1601
For some reason it reminds me of the family guy episode:

"Peter, do you want the mystery box or the boat?"
"Well a boat is a boat but the mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat! You know I've always wanted one of those."
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 13:03 GMT
#1606
On September 08 2015 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have literally zero reason to post until EoN2.
Doesn't help i would most likely end up arguing with scummydoosy.

False. We need to keep looking for the other 2 scum. Wasting a day is what the Mafia are hoping we'll do.

Wow, the 1% on my phone has gone a while...
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
September 08 2015 16:19 GMT
#1631
On September 09 2015 00:55 GlowingBear wrote:
LOL I wake up to see that you guys are really voting me after all.

After I'm lynched, please go after Rayn and fidei. After Rayn flips Mafia, go after fidei.
I was voting fidei because I thought that Rayn could be angry VT fake claiming because he wanted me dead. It's not the first time I would see it. But Rayn had enough time to reevaluate and play pro-town. He didn't.

It should be crystal clear that Rayn isn't the doctor even if I hadn't claimed.

Maybe you'll have to explain why it should be clear that rayn isn't the doctor, since nobody else seems to be seeing it...
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