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scott you are A. categorizing the situation wrongly and B. being completely unhelpful.
scott, I don’t see how this is hard to understand. If you’re town then you’re throwing the game here by not trying to make me look into Fidei.
Seeing as how you’re not even trying to help and instead you’re crying about the situation, that just further tells me that you’re Mafia.
Also, I went “straight after you” because we need to start somewhere. Like, what was your gameplan on this last day? Be on the fence the whole day then do a ninja switch? That’s just super scummy. What town has to do is look at each person one by one. I literally just started with you since I had a stronger case and you responded in the most scummy way possible. You are Mafia here.
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In all seriousness, hats off to you scott. You played really well the whole game starting with how you paved the way for the GB lynch to buy town cred. Only problem was that you played almost too perfectly looking at how good your reads were and how they almost perfectly matched town sentiment. If you managed to be more active and grab more of a role as town leader then you probably would have taken a lot more credit and managed to push all the way through.
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cool. I'll be around but maybe won't check so often.
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On September 21 2015 08:40 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 08 2015 09:24 Superbia wrote:
I'm here. Moosydoosy what do you make of the claims? rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game. i still think gb claim is BS. @MD so you thought that the rayn claim was fake, but that rayn was town, and you thought GB's claim was bad, but you also thought he was town?
Okay this goes back to what I explained for all of D2/N3. -.-
I thought that the rayn claim was false and that rayn was town.
I thought that the GB claim was false too and made him Mafia indicative.
Let me guess your follow-up question: Why didn't you vote GB?
Answer: I was more confident in my CopCake read and wanted to lynch her first.
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On September 21 2015 08:49 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 00:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 09 2015 23:21 Fidei86 wrote:
Moosy, are you still of the view that DESPITE the doc claim / counter-claim, you still think it's MORE likely that cake is mafia than GB or rayn? Or is that not how you view it?
I know we went over this yesterday, but the longer this goes on, the weirder it gets. -.- i actually think NocturneMage has a good point. Despite how weak CopCake's filter is, it is weird if she's bussing GB that early. I am just waiting for GB's flip which is unfortunately most likely Mafia. ???
I was pretty sure GB was going to flip Mafia. But if that happened, then people would do flip WIFOM and say that CopCake was town which is what did end up happening. Luckily for us, NocturneMage was the only one who listened to me and was the cop, and got a red check on her.
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Fidei, any more questions?
Would also like your thoughts on my interaction with scott so far.
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On September 21 2015 09:38 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 21 2015 08:49 Fidei86 wrote:On September 10 2015 00:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 09 2015 23:21 Fidei86 wrote:
Moosy, are you still of the view that DESPITE the doc claim / counter-claim, you still think it's MORE likely that cake is mafia than GB or rayn? Or is that not how you view it?
I know we went over this yesterday, but the longer this goes on, the weirder it gets. -.- i actually think NocturneMage has a good point. Despite how weak CopCake's filter is, it is weird if she's bussing GB that early. I am just waiting for GB's flip which is unfortunately most likely Mafia. ??? I was pretty sure GB was going to flip Mafia. But if that happened, then people would do flip WIFOM and say that CopCake was town which is what did end up happening. Luckily for us, NocturneMage was the only one who listened to me and was the cop, and got a red check on her. Okay, can you please explain to me how GB fake claiming -- a claim you THOUGHT WAS FAKE -- makes him less confirmed mafia than Cake, who ... yeah, was pretty meh ... but. I just don't understand this. I'm not sure I'll ever understand this. If your reasoning was "lynching into an unCCed cop is dumb, and I think rayn is fake claiming" then that would make sense. But you didn't say that. You said that rayn was fake claiming, you thought GB's claim was fake, but after ALL THAT you still wanted to kill Cake more, someone nobody else was talking about at that stage?
Look at the answer I already gave you and my expectation of your question.
At that point in the game, I was pretty hard tunneled on CopCake. Like, I even made the deal post about her and n00bKing because I was 100% sure she was Mafia. Then GB did his fake claim shenanigans and with most of my town circle giving good points on him, I accepted that he was Mafia. But I was only ~90% sure because I actually hadn't looked into him in depth because I was working on my CopCake case.
It seemed a hell of a lot better for me to push someone that no one was reconsidering into the light rather than just sheep rayn on GB mindlessly.
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On September 21 2015 09:35 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 23:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Okay, let me explain this scott. You say I’m going after the low hanging fruit here which would be you in your head. This is just absolutely false. As Slam says, the order in which it’s easy to make a case is: me, Fidei, scott. You are literally the hardest person to make a case on.
Also, it’s false to say I’m not afraid to pressure Fidei. I’ve already done so during Night in fact when Fidei was admittedly saying terrible things.
I actually was thinking it was Fidei and was looking through filters while stirring up conversation UNTIL he started trying to throw dirt at me. Then he was town in my eyes which was only proven more by Slam’s death.
I also don’t believe your voting right now. I was literally hard town in your eyes then all of a sudden you say I’m Mafia from this move? That change just does not happen so quickly. At most I would have to be town with a wrong read on you. All I see is you having a knee-jerk reaction and moving to kill me as quickly as possible.
Also, do you really think I would kill Slam here if I was Mafia? I could literally kill Fidei then sheep Slam to the ends of the word and lynch you scott.
No. You’re Mafia. I’m 100% sure of this. Moosy. The thing I don't understand about this is that during our fight yesterday, you were basically saying you thought I was mafia. But then, with very little else happening, you were sure that I was town. You never said any of that before the night flip. Please talk me through. I've read your filter (all 32 pages ...), and now I'm going to be tired for work. But I will come home early tomorrow from work.
A. I was irritated you were questioning me about something I explained to everyone else already. I even explained it again right now. -.-
B. After I questioned you I made this post:
On September 20 2015 02:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Actually, I'm VERY interested in what happens in the next 5 hours. Then I know who Mafia is.
I was pretty sure you were town, but just kept pushing you so that we could both live. mafia!scott wants me pushing on another townie so that he can kill Slam with no qualms. That post I quoted was more or less 5 hours before End of Night. I was interested to see who would die and if it would prove my theory.
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On September 21 2015 09:41 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 09:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Fidei, any more questions?
Would also like your thoughts on my interaction with scott so far. I wasn't expecting you both to be at each other's throats so quickly. I've been pressed all day, and I haven't digested fully yet. I need to re-read and reconsider. But yeah, honestly you saying in three posts that you were sure it was me, and then flipping once scott said he thought it was you, was pretty weird. Like, I get you can get confused between Slam and Superbia -- they were both AFK and their names both start with S. But me and Scott? This far into the game? I need to re-read the thread flow. It's 1:30am and I have to work tomorrow.
I was excited about my theory and how the flip turned out. Also because you were pushing me End of Night which was exactly what I was looking for, so you were at the forefront of my mind. There was also irl stuff that made me tired but that can't be proven.
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On September 21 2015 17:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Scott that makes no sense though. In my world, the best Mafia play at LyLo is to have the two townies fight it out and then come down on one side. And that's where you seem to have been, until Moosy came onto you. But if you're town then don't you have to consider a world where it's me? I mean, it could be me? To you? It's not. But the fact that MD is voting for you doesn't make him Mafia.
This is what I was talking about in scott's reaction. Apparently his gameplan for this day was to be on the fence for the both us, which is just not productive. So when I try to be productive and present my case on scott to see his reaction, he immediately votes me without even "evaluating both players" like he says we should do.
Look at my voting. I didn't vote after presenting my case because my primary goal with was to see his reaction. And he literally responded the worst way possible, even doing the opposite of his own advice. Then I voted.
I had a strong case on scott, but his reaction just cemented him as Mafia.
I don't understand how he can just accept Fidei as town so immediately as well. I was his strongest townread then he tries to kill me here, and Fidei was who he was more suspicious of, but he immediately townreads here? Only reason why you can flip flop so easily is if you already know the alignments and is switching them up to your liking.
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On September 21 2015 21:54 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 17:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Scott that makes no sense though. In my world, the best Mafia play at LyLo is to have the two townies fight it out and then come down on one side. And that's where you seem to have been, until Moosy came onto you. But if you're town then don't you have to consider a world where it's me? I mean, it could be me? To you? It's not. But the fact that MD is voting for you doesn't make him Mafia. That's what I thought at first, and why I made that post just before deadline. What's his other option? Shoot you? That makes him look suspicious. Yes, me and slam can argue it out, but what's even better? The yolo play. I give him props for it. It's guardians all over again. Deja fucking vu. It's also more than the vote - it's how he came to the conclusion, how his beginning of day play was, and then the vote sealed it for me. It's also how he went after me fairly quickly in the day. If he was town he would be playing like you, unsure, rereading, etc. I know I'm town, I got a town pm. He knows I have a town pm. You are the investigator. You are the town's hope. I'll be at work in about an hour, and I'll try to check into the thread when I can.
scott, I don't see how this makes sense if I am to be honest. You're saying that I would as Mafia remove my guaranteed win condition by killing Slam and not Fidei?
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Also, another thing I find strange is how you made a long post detailing how buses are very unlikely and here you're accepting that I would have had to hard bus CopCake 100% with no doubts.
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I find it disturbing that it's the last day but no one is talking. Does anyone have questions or some such?
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Fidei you are town because scott spewed you town with his terrible reaction.
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Also, I already said that I reviewed you but my scott case was stronger. I posted that first to see his reaction and because it was stronger.
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I don't have more to say. scott is Mafia here. I was looking to see who scum read me or not and then posted my test case to see scott's reaction. He responded how Mafia would and spewed you town in the process.
His reads don't add up. I went from town to scum and you from scum to town. Other things like how he forgot how he read me. Also how he immediately finds it acceptable to think I would have been busing when he made a large post about how busing is not likely.
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Actually, it's very easy for Mafia to spew out town reads as they know alignments.
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On September 22 2015 05:19 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 09:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:My gigantic case on CopCake. I suggest you read all of it because every bit relates to each other which is important. 1. CopCake gets hung up over inconsequential details and attempts to blow them out of proportion. + Show Spoiler +Cop asks me this pointless question early on which is easily explained and gets hung up over it. Just because I’m able to notice that they’re good friends shows in no way that I’m Mafia. It’s NAI or just shows that I’m perceptive. On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote:
Sorry I am busy and how can Moosy be town?
Like he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived"
Like how the fuck does he has that kind of info that we get along extremely too well?
That's why I asked he says he was playing but he got it extremely right. My comment was a joke but she tries to make something out of it. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote:
How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in?
Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? 2. She continuously brings up points that were already addressed in an attempt to fill her arguments with filler. + Show Spoiler +Here I explain how I noticed rayn and her were good friends and she accepts it readily. On September 05 2015 09:51 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 09:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote:
Sorry I am busy and how can Moosy be town?
Like he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived"
Like how the fuck does he has that kind of info that we get along extremely too well?
That's why I asked he says he was playing but he got it extremely right. um...ok. this is generally irrelevant imo but i'll answer. it's pretty obvious. first pre-game there are these golden posts: On August 31 2015 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure but i think i need to ask if i am allowed to "hydra" with Vivax from thursday -> in case i am alive, for obvious reasons.
Cake should be joining at least, idk when, i'll ask her when i get a chance. On September 02 2015 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
cakeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! these posts show that he's going to be nice around you. then when u enter the thread he stopped cursing immediately and started using smiley face emoticons. (  ) also, my post was in no way serious. i was just making a joke there while noting a possible association. Oh ok, that explains it, sorry. Then…I’m scum read for it again in this post of hers? On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. My post about rayn calming down once CopCake joined was also more of a joke AND I still explained it for her benefit but she STILL brings it up in the very same post. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said “rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. I’ve already explained half her points but she brings them up again in order to make it look like her argument is compelling and has basis. In fact, she tries to stress it in her next post. On September 06 2015 06:12 CopCake wrote:
Omg i wrote the biggest post so far this round. 3. CopCake’s tone. Yes. Tone is part of this case. + Show Spoiler +Her tone is VERY anti-town. Rather than pressuring people, she attempts to demean them which creates a bad town atmosphere. The following posts serve no other purpose in the thread other than to create filler and belittle others. On September 05 2015 10:38 CopCake wrote:
someone is FROZEN On September 05 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote:
Ok, let me predict the next post of moosy
"lol bla bla bla i can't explain it"
"insert some eminem song and a joke haha town"
On September 05 2015 11:32 CopCake wrote:
The fact he doesn't realize STUFF is pretty telling tho << talking about noobking. On September 05 2015 11:57 CopCake wrote:
No reasons, how cute.
This is like the third time you have been saying that shit. If this was how she posts every time then I would accept it. After all, rayn has a very aggressive tone and isn’t afraid to push his weight around. HOWEVER, CopCake freely admits that her tone is fake. On September 05 2015 11:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 05 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote:
Ok, let me predict the next post of moosy
"lol bla bla bla i can't explain it"
"insert some eminem song and a joke haha town"
nothing substantials. 1. seemed intent on misunderstanding wat i was saying early on 2. ur posts seem too intent on being nooby for my liking 3. u said ur not sheeping rayn, when ur sheeping him on n00bking. 4. in ur post on n00bking, u never came to a real conclusion, but now ur voting for him. 1.- This is a community in which only few people know me. Pretty few people know me and rayn get a long too well and love to play with each other. I missunderstood you and I say sorry. It's pretty ok for me to panic when someone knows details about me and just makes me wonder "how do they know this shit", it's obvious. 2.- I am not nooby, in fact I am bragging a lot. 3.- I am not sheeping rayn, he changed his vote to alakazam and i am on noobking, i even said he is frozen. 4.- Never came in a real conclusion? I didn't like he hasn't come and is fighting me when 5 min ago or less he was being pretty active, he got FROZEN, he doesn't have an answer. This game will be easy. If you go back and read her posts, they are clearly an act. She’s trying to seem confident and tries to throw her weight around and establish thread presence. These are all things Mafia would do to try and pull of mislynches. Here she’s creating bad town atmosphere with me and n00bKing in order to create the thread presence to lynch us. (btw, I didn’t fall for this although n00bKing sadly did) I don’t like to keep bringing this up, but this post just clearly outlines how she’s trying to create bad town atmosphere. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:
MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. Besides being full of filler as I already pointed out, this whole thing tries to make it look like I’m making little sense when I’ve already explained away half her arguments. I know I’m focusing a bit on the parts where she interacts with me, but the same goes for n00bKing. She’s trying to create easy mislynches on the the both of us especially since I associate myself so much with n00bKing who everyone is reading as Mafia. I’d also like people to look back carefully at my interaction with CopCake. I ALWAYS make the effort to respond calmly. I ALWAYS make the effort to explain why I’m doing what I’m doing and give reasons for my reads when she asks. But in return all she does is yell at me and get worked up over my calm answers. This is because she’s feeling the pressure from being pointed out as Mafia. A townie would calmly brush away the suspicion but she’s caught and attempts to clear the suspicion through yelling and making it seem like my answers are bad.
4. CopCake tries to pocket. + Show Spoiler +As we all know, rayn doesn’t pull his punches and he has big thread presence. It would make absolute sense for Mafia to cuddle up to him in order to be townread and defended by him. These posts just show that she’s trying to do this where she defends him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to) and tries to lynch the same person as him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to). On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote:
Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game.
When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
There IS no post where you say you consider rayn Town, much less give an explanation for why you would consider him Town. There is a post where you say "When rayn uses more 'tone reads and emotional reads' he tends to be mafia." And that could be taken as an insinuation that rayn could be Town....IF it weren't for the FACT that he's used tone reads or emotional reads in THIS game. Look at what he has said about how he determined the allegiances of Alakaslam and yamato. They are both "tonereads" at best, if not better described as "reads based on literally nothing at all." Then he goes bonkers over a little bit of nothing from both Breshke and GlowingBear, and nothing helps to create a poor Town atmosphere for catching Scum more than jumping at those sorts of inconsequential bits of nothing, and trying to turn them into major talking points. It distracts the Town from actually doing anything productive. He would later say "My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good" which is laugh-out-loud preposterous. Says he's 95% sure Alakaslam is Mafia and 98% sure that I am. Why would a TOWN player ever want to take up space in the thread spouting stupid crap like that? Even more useless (somehow?) are posts such as: "Like i am literally the towniest person in this game." There is never any reason for a Town player to say something like this. The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong. Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. On September 05 2015 11:54 CopCake wrote:
Rayn soneji killed you in the other game.
I am laughing so hard. On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote:
I don't like noobking for this things:
> How he voted you
> Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but
but the BIG BUT IS
> it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia.
Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
Eh ok.
Noobking
TALK TO ME
and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES.
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
I hope you understand that. 5. CopCake uses terrible reasoning and isn’t clearly reading the thread. + Show Spoiler +As promised, I’ll point out why her defense of rayn is so bad. First is this post: On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote:On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
There IS no post where you say you consider rayn Town, much less give an explanation for why you would consider him Town. There is a post where you say "When rayn uses more 'tone reads and emotional reads' he tends to be mafia." And that could be taken as an insinuation that rayn could be Town....IF it weren't for the FACT that he's used tone reads or emotional reads in THIS game. Look at what he has said about how he determined the allegiances of Alakaslam and yamato. They are both "tonereads" at best, if not better described as "reads based on literally nothing at all." Then he goes bonkers over a little bit of nothing from both Breshke and GlowingBear, and nothing helps to create a poor Town atmosphere for catching Scum more than jumping at those sorts of inconsequential bits of nothing, and trying to turn them into major talking points. It distracts the Town from actually doing anything productive. He would later say "My arguments on yamato and Slam are in fact really fucking good" which is laugh-out-loud preposterous. Says he's 95% sure Alakaslam is Mafia and 98% sure that I am. Why would a TOWN player ever want to take up space in the thread spouting stupid crap like that? Even more useless (somehow?) are posts such as: "Like i am literally the towniest person in this game." There is never any reason for a Town player to say something like this. The name of the game is for the Town players to work together, and create conditions where the Scum players cannot conceal themselves. With that goal in mind, everything rayn does is wrong. Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. This DOES NOT show rayn is town but in fact shows that he is Mafia. Mafia would try and get hung up over little details and blow them out of proportion to force a mislynch. The only reason why rayn would be read as town this early is meta: basically his eagerness to dive into the thread and his standard aggressive townie manner. CopCake’s arguments to vote n00bKing are terrible as well. This is her case against him: On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote:
I don't like noobking for this things:
> How he voted you
> Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but
but the BIG BUT IS
> it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia.
Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. Point 1 makes no sense. There have been some points stated against rayn (which I’ll go into in the next spoiler) but she brushes them aside. There is no reason to immediately say that rayn is town but she does so almost as if she has TMI. Point 2 makes less sense. It’s not even a point. “You sometimes don’t make logic to some people, but because you make logic to some people which is subjective, so you are town because you are aggressive.” She talks about two different things (logic and rayn’s aggressiveness) and…I’m sorry but I don’t even know. The part after the but makes no sense either. My head hurts trying to read this. Now she asks n00bKing why rayn’s Mafia which has been provided a BUNCH of times. Here’s her question: On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote:
Eh ok.
Noobking
TALK TO ME
and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES.
look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer.
I hope you understand that. The points against rayn at that point in the game are as follows. 1. He was using meta reads for Alakaslam when he normally uses harder material. 2. He was using tone reads for yamato77 when he normally uses harder material. 3. He doesn’t seem to question his reads afterwards on both Alakaslam and yamato but easily gives way that Slam is probably town and continues to maintain that yamato is town with no question. 4. He blowed the GlowingBear claim out of proportion when it was a joke. The interesting thing is that CopCake says that rayn normally doesn’t use meta and town reads: On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote:
Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game.
When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. But here he is CLEARLY doing that but she thinks that he’s town?? Meanwhile she reads both me AND n00bKing as scum for pointing this out. This is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION. This shows she’s not reading the thread and she’s trying hard to force a mislynch. Note that she doesn’t even follow up on this either even though BOTH of us have explained this. 6. She’s now hiding + Show Spoiler +Self-explanatory. Literally non-existent now. Speaks for itself. While rayn and Fidei are hammering at me about not posting a stance on the claims, she gets away with it? I think that rayn is too biased when it comes to her, but Fidei. Okay. Posting case now at Superbia’s request.
Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 10:15 scott31337 wrote:
The case is okay - not great - Seems to be quite a bit of confirmation bias in it though.
What if I said that #4 feels more like that you know rayn is town? Remember when I said this and when I read your case, this stuck out at me - that #4 you know Rayn is town from TMI. Can you explain this for me?
I was actually one of the few people who questioned rayn at the start unlike CopCake and a lot of you. I determined he was town because of his standard brash manner and his picking up on small inconsistencies which is standard town metagame. Also because he answered my questions well and responded to the pressure I tried to put on him well enough.
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Also scott, like I'm pretty sure your big post on how busing is unlikely was an attempt to cover your own bus and CopCake's bus on GB.
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