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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 22:43 GMT
#1290
Goddamnit. GGs n00b.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 22:59 GMT
#1318
On September 07 2015 07:53 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:50 Superbia wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:48 Fidei86 wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:44 Superbia wrote:
Also Fidei86's switch to some random wagon was pretty scummy.

What, because I didn't want to be on the n00b wagon? Meh. I'm not sure that GB's claim left town much choice, and I should have gone straight to n00b, but only because I liked him less than Cake, not because I thought he was Mafia.


Nah, because you should be switching to save the doctor. At 10m before EoD you chose to believe the claim and switched. Which means you wanted to save the doctor. But you go on some wagon no one is on. Makes me feel like "hey guys at least I switched lol". IDK.

All I can say is that I'd been town-reading Cake and NK all day, basically, and I really didn't want to vote for either. You're right, I had to, but I was stubborn at first. Not much more I can say about it really.


Maybe, I didn't really review your filter too much so I didn't have that mentally noted down. I might double check this tomorrow but I'll probably take your word for it since people are likely to call you out if this is bullshit.


Read his filter, the progression makes sense. he saw both alignments in n00bking and got paranoid with boxerfred saying both wagons were okay.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 23:00 GMT
#1319
On September 07 2015 07:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Now fucking lynch scott and Rayn


rayn, definitely not,

scott, do you have something stronger than what you previously posted? Because I don't think his play is mafia exclusive.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 23:26 GMT
#1323
I'm thinking one possible focus are the more or less under the radar players. n00b said something along the lines of rayn "doing all the work for them" not saying the entire team is inactive but they can afford to lay back if town are stumbling about in the wrong direction.

Alakaslam. Breshke, boxerfred, MD to a lesser extent.

I had a null on yamato until his eod activity, and thinking he's probable town.

Went through Breshke filter just now. The post 858 he has says something about slam being townie for backing down, and it seemed to be based on tone. Slam had attributed some tinfoil theory that made him back off Breshke, but reading Breshke's filter the manner in which he pushed slam was townie. But then the drop just seems pretty weak.

Slam could be trying to appease him, it seems from the games I've read or observed, people tend to be biased or townread them for townreading them back regardless of alignment. Doesn't vindicate slam, at least I don't think it should, but it doesn't necessarily mean Breshke is mafia from this.

The only thing that gave me pause was when he looked at other people. Also 858.

"I'm probably okay with lynching noobking. For how much he has been in the thread I don't actually remember him pushing much of anything"

Pretty sure n00b was interacting/pushing rayn at least the first half of the cycle.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 23:32 GMT
#1325
On September 06 2015 06:30 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 06 2015 06:03 n00bKing wrote:
On September 06 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote:
n00bKing wrote:
On THIS site, it seems like the games usually have a few dim bulbs. It's a lower level of play than I'm used to, and I'm still trying to make adjustments. This is an example of such an adjustment.

Fucking LOL

pot, kettle, black

Mmmm, NO. It was only my SECOND game here on this site, when I asked the other players if they knew of any good places to play Mafia-by-Forum. Because this ain't it. Players here don't care, players here don't try, and I don't think some of them would know how to try even if they wanted to. But I had said I would play in Moosy's 4th and final Newbie game, so here I am.


stop bitching. this is the site with the most quality mafia games on the internet.

why is cake mafia?

Most games, maybe, which is why I came here. Because the places I like to play don't have games as frequently. But there's no quality here.

Cake is suspicious because her vote against me comes in an obvious pile-on position for Scum that is looking for a safe place to land. She continually says things about Moosy that are not true, and projects onto him her own scummy behaviors, as though she's watching a mirror instead of watching him. She is also overly defensive in situations that don't call for it. Which is not always a Scum trait, but is seen from Scum more often than from Town, in my experience. GlowingBear and Scott (mostly GB) have cited specific posts from CopCake that are suspicious, and I had similar findings.


For future reference, as some of the bolded wasn't in my original case, particularly the vote. I also took issue with her points on moosy, and she never resolved this.

Past midnight here so I'll return tomorrow. Good night.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 23:34 GMT
#1327
On September 07 2015 08:29 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 08:00 NocturneMage wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Now fucking lynch scott and Rayn


rayn, definitely not,

scott, do you have something stronger than what you previously posted? Because I don't think his play is mafia exclusive.


Without a Doc/Vig/JK/Vet claim I guess I have to believe him, but there's no point claiming before D2 and getting RB'ed anyway.


That was a poor phrasing on my part. That post was actually directed at gb to provide a stronger case on you.

Not saying you need to provide a stronger case on gb.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 23:37 GMT
#1328
MD, my focus has been largely on noob/gb/cake (the wagons) or other players I had issues with (slam) since I replaced in.

Didn't really get a chance anyhow to look that close at you, all that comes to mind on you is cake pushing you for what I thought was poor reasons.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 23:39 GMT
#1329
MD you also said you were going to post or place a case or something against Cake.

I forgot how close we were to eod when I last asked but what were your main points prior to lynch?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 06 2015 23:43 GMT
#1332
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon

If gb's claim is true, and for now we assume it is - then there's definitely a cop about. And no framer to mess about.

I'd recommend to check into breshke/boxer/slam. MD has a 7 page filter which can be sorted out.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 07 2015 22:30 GMT
#1414
That's a pretty bad read you have on me in general. I see what you mean about the part about where it's impossible for Cake and n00b to be mafia part but that doesn't make me (or anyone having that read) mafia. The comment you also quoted was off the cuff, that wasn't made after reading the thread.

As for me not listening to you, I've already explained why and I've explained my reasons.

I won't speak for the other scumreads you have, but especially given n00b's lynch (and your remarks to that lynch, something along the lines of I can't believe he played that way) has it ever occurred to you that sometimes townies (especially in a newbie game!!!) do play suboptimally?

Just because something doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean that person is necessarily mafia.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 07 2015 23:02 GMT
#1446
On September 08 2015 07:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 07:52 scott31337 wrote:
GG's yamato - makes things interesting.

I really like rayn's and boxer's post - I could sheep them - Fidei's been off and showing his contradictions like that shows. Sounds like a pretty good lynch.

Makes me want to re-read slam's filter and see if there is any substance to it or a bunch words.


I disagree.

Rayn is a good player but his play here is completely off. His scumread here is based solely on a night kill wifom (pointed out by fidei), he even decided I not the doctor because yamato was shot LOL

Other person that has been falling is Superbia. He started well, got slight townreads and his play turned out to be completely forgettable after that. What are his scumreads? Who does he want to lynch? He seems extremely disinterested in that and simply lets the game carry on.


I think Superbia posted that he wanted to lynch Slam end of night 1.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 07 2015 23:09 GMT
#1456
Also for nightkills having played mafia my last game, it only makes sense that mafia kills the people that are on the right track or are on to them. Skimmed yamato's filter quick and he had more or less a scumteam of gb/moosy and one other, so him voting moosy isn't bad if he assumes he's mafia.

I looked at Slam's filter again, most of it is filler, but he seems to be going back and forth on Superbia if you read pages 7-9 of his filter. I agree with all the points so far being made that Superbia has light town reads and doesn't seem to be having reads on people as much as the others, but his post-lynch questioning of moosydoosy and fidei is probably towny. I'm ignoring Slam's filler but I don't understand his wavering on Superbia either.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 07 2015 23:09 GMT
#1457
MD, I'm here, but I'm doing a load of filter diving at the moment.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 07 2015 23:11 GMT
#1461
EBWOP - "voting moosy isn't bad if he assumes he's mafia based on yamato dying"

yeah it's wifom but it's generally the norm from what I've seen.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 07 2015 23:26 GMT
#1481
On September 08 2015 08:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i don't understand this lynch at all. the most that i can come up with is that they were trying to frame me because rayn was the obvious lynch. but then that means gb has to be town too. ugh.


On September 08 2015 08:20 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:14 Fidei86 wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:09 Fidei86 wrote:
o.O

Okay, well that makes d2 a little more ... interesting. Easier too!

It's not really a hard decision for me here. I see no reason for a scum rayn to CC. We're not likely to lynch him this turn, and it's waaaaaay too early for him to be using the CC to try and save his mafia allies. It's just way to sub-optimal.

Also, rayn's rage, while kind of ... you know ... cluttering ... makes sense from what I read of his meta.

His switch off GB right at the end is a little bit suspect - if he is actually the cop then why move your vote? But maybe he figured that if he stayed on it then he would out himself as the cop? IDK. I think if I'm in his position then I probably just stay on GB. But, it's not like this game has been played optimally so far.

It's gotta be GB boys.

##Vote: Glowing Bear


Lolwut?

Apart from the doc/cop confusion, what part of this don't you understand?


I don't understand how you can not identify that his claim is fake. He voted me, then Moosy doosy, then he said I am the most anti town player.

Use your mind. If he was really the doc, would he move out of my lynch on day1?

Your sheep here is extremely bad and opportunistic

IDK. That's the only reason I have for even doubting his CC for a second. But it's nowhere near enough to go against the fact that his CC makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective whatsoever, and although rayn is raging, he's not an idiot.


Trying to digest this and the bolded is the part that I'm confused on. I still largely agree with the idea that it's weird why he wouldn't stay on GB, but to think and be paranoid he'd out himself as cop? Nah, the switches as I recalled happened so quickly that no one had time to think about giving themselves away as cop like that. There was what, like a few minutes left when it all went down?

And MD I don't know how the post you quoted, how it makes Fidei mafia. Unless you think he's mafia for his voting behaviour, which I do agree itself is scummy.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 07 2015 23:29 GMT
#1485
On September 08 2015 08:24 Breshke wrote:
GB I think it is plausible in a world where rayn is the doctor and think there is a possibility you are claiming as VT hence most anti town player


Does he actually have a history of doing this? I don't know what town motivation it would be to fakeclaim a role when you risk drawing out a blue role. And shouldn't someone experienced (I was coached by him last game??) know better?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 07 2015 23:30 GMT
#1490
On September 08 2015 08:28 Alakaslam wrote:
...

What have you the impression Rayn claimed cop?


On September 08 2015 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i am a doctor.


What are you trying to say?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 07 2015 23:35 GMT
#1496
I meant doctor lol. I read Fidei's post and I'm being an idiot right now.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 07 2015 23:36 GMT
#1497
I'm also trying to multitask as well, still reading filters, namely Superbia's at the moment.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
September 08 2015 00:24 GMT
#1515
On September 08 2015 09:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i need to take a step back from this game. basically my entire game view is based off of the fact that copcake is scum but for some reason no one is reading her the same way that i am.


Ignoring all the crap with the claims and before the claims, I felt copcake was mafia based on her filter and her list post was pretty faulty. I didn't like how she dodged questions. Additionally if she's convinced glowingbear is mafia, then I'm surprised she isnt' trying to find his partners in the meanwhile. On the other hand she was pushing him relentlessly and even if she is right (even if for bad reasons) it's (somewhat?) unlikely she's try and bus him on teh first day. That's where my head is on that issue.
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