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On September 15 2015 13:53 Alakaslam wrote:
I can't sleep even though I have to.
Benefit is I can come in here. I don't know why you want my reads when I have been this wrong but gut tells me Superbia or Scott are the last ones. Moose is town. Nocturne? Duh
So by PoE it is one of them.
What about me?
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On September 16 2015 03:37 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 07:15 CopCake wrote:On September 09 2015 07:12 Alakaslam wrote:On September 09 2015 06:59 CopCake wrote:On September 09 2015 06:34 Fidei86 wrote:On September 09 2015 06:21 NocturneMage wrote:
damn I lost my last post
gah
md, her top scumreads were you/nk/gb
I faulted her for her reads on you/slam/gb, the n00bking read was reasonable and so didn't cite it
it's possible she's mafia for pushing n00bking, would easily be able to take advantage of that but again at face value it's reasonable, I and plenty others saw fault with nk's gameplay to scumread or vote him
but yet again, this conflicts with her interactions with gb, again assuming gb flips scum
so therefore it's not reasonable to top read her now, not in your current world and not unless you think gb is flipping town The thing is dude that yes, she did read GB as scum, but the mentions of him were pretty sparse, and she said on more than one occasion that she much preferred to lynch n00b or Moosy. I don't think she gets nearly as much town cred from her GB read as you are giving her. The issue I have with Cake ... Well there are two. 1. She clearly has her own way of playing and of typing, and I personally find it quite difficult to follow. I just read her entire filter, and it's all so conversational and responsive that it's difficult to get a real sense of where she stands. It's not that this makes her Mafia, it means that my read on her is likely to be bad. 2. I'm kind of confused by her and Rayn having "ride or die" town reads on each other. I think Rayn is about to be exonerated by the GB flip, but cake came into the thread and straight away was convinced Rayn was town. I find that ... Suspicious. Like, you can be friends OOG, like me and HTS (<3) but we're never gonna give each other a free pass in Mafia. Yes, I have a Rayn town read- everyone does. But if you read Cake's filter, you'll see that a LOT of the posts are based on the premise that Rayn is town. If Rayn were to flip Mafia, her filter would be just awful. And that's the best reason to scum read her imo. So yeah, I think Cake is a scum read for me now. i think before I was taken in by her conversational style, which seemed towny (see point 1 above). The only reason I hate this read is that it probably makes Moosy town. But my read on Moosy is evolving in the same way as my read on n00b - his posts are too dumb to be Mafia. Still, that leaves me with only Slam and Rayn as solid town reads, Moosy as 'probably dumb town' and a whole lot of null and cake as a very slight scum lean. I already said why i town read rayn with scenarios where it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to be scum, like he would be gg next day if GB is an actual doctor. And I was pretty sure yamato said I was town because it is my normal play style. CC- I was reading the nested quote, I have been townreading fidei. I want to see if you can find what is scummy about it. That post is textbook scum. I never said fideo was mafia o_O This is basically the only interaction CopCake has with Alakaslam.
Didn't they have a whole long conversation about travelling to California or something?
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I think that qualifies as the least exciting flip I've been through in TLM.
I really think that town need to kick it back up a notch tonight. There's one mafia left, and we're in serious danger of AFKing through a Slam/Superbia lynch. Not that I don't currently think that that's a bad plan - I absolutely think we should lynch IN THAT ORDER (slam first, no quitters allowed at LYLO plox), but there is still tons of time for them to pick this up and turn it around if they're town. And at least one of them has to be.
Anyway, realise that it's scummy to demand action and not take any myself. But really, without Superbia trying to find scum outside of Slam and me (which is useless to me, because I know I'm town and obviously Slam is the other lynch target), or Slam ... you know ... explaining his attempted seppuku, we're kind of stuck.
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Meh. You make a good argument. Both seem to totally have given up. And only one of them can be Mafia. I guess we lynch whichever seems to want it least tomorrow? I'm just terrified of sending it to LyLo with a player who can't be bothered. If they're Mafia, we win, but on the off chance they're not, we literally cannot win. And since I'm definitely going to be in LyLo I think, I'm going to be the one who has to make this damned decision.
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Mostly because Yamato has probably solved this game from the ObsQT and will roast me royally if I go the wrong way. IDK if that's a good reason though?
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Okay, well a corollary to my Yamato argument is that in Personality, town was sure they had their man, only for two mislynches to turn into GG, and the Mafia was someone nobody expected. Assuming anyone is town at this late late stage is super dumb. I just need to figure out if there is a reason to scum whoever of you and Scott doesn't die tomorrow night.
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@Scott
From my perspective, I always thought it was likely to be Superbia. But then, out of nowhere, Slam comes out and says that he wants out of the game, having racked up 19 pages of filter. That threw me a lot. So all of a sudden, I really am not sure about whether it's Superbia or Slam. I hope we lynch correctly first off, but since I'm not sure now, I'm not confident we will.
I've been really busy these last couple of days, and I just got dragged into another game. But this evening I will re-read MD and Scott's filters. Because I'd be a lousy town if I didn't at least consider the possibility.
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The weird thing is that scott, MD, NM and me all seem to have reached exactly the same conclusion, and only one of us, if any, can be mafia. That makes me think that if you guys *is* mafia, you're a lot lot lot better than I'm currently giving you credit for.
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@MD sorry I've been quiet, haven't had much time at work. I'm being a bit fatalist, honestly. I was fairly sure it was Superbia, but Slam's leaving us totally threw me. I don't understand how a townie ever does that, especially not when we're so close to the end and he's invested so much time. It is, of course, possible he is telling the truth. But idk, it wasn't even like his focus was on the not having time, it was much more on the "I don't want to help Mafia out". He also got super ragey when I called him out. I don't think he understands that what you post inside the Mafia thread might be a lie, and it's truth can only be known on your flip. Yelling at me just seems weird. But maybe town indicative? I think going too far down this line is WIFOM.
I don't see what advantage Mafia me has in saying we're going to LyLo? I mean, it's not like I'd want to show off that predictive power. I said it because we've had two players basically stop playing at the same time, coinciding with the red check on CC. That's super super super scummy, from both of them. I think it could be either. And Sod's law says that we'll get the wrong one, and ergo we'll go to LyLo.
Anyway, will be home this evening at a sensible time for filters.
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Also will try to bring a more positive mental attitude to proceedings.
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@NM Yeah. I remember thinking at the time that Scott's cop read on me made a lot of sense, since I've been playing a bit more cagey this time around. And when you claimed, he instantly revealed and turned on me. Before, he had been town reading me quite lightly, which is pretty consistent with his later explanation.
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@NM I've been thinking a bit about the BF cop claim thing from Superbia. What do you think? I initially thought it looked quite towny, but then it was made so late that we didn't really have time to move. And it was made so late, it didn't save him anyway. If Superbia honestly did think BF was the cop, surely he would have said it a bit earlier?
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On September 14 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote:
Also if you think a mafia would do what I did at EoD you really really need to reconsider. Like I know it's tinfoil town to question everything, but this is as alignment indicative a situation as you would get outside of PR-shenanigans.
This is another post I have issue with, and it flows from the others naturally. I don't get why Superbia was so keen to claim town cred for this? Yes, establishing yourself as town is important. But this feels waaaaaay over the top.
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On September 17 2015 06:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 06:56 Fidei86 wrote:
@NM I've been thinking a bit about the BF cop claim thing from Superbia. What do you think? I initially thought it looked quite towny, but then it was made so late that we didn't really have time to move. And it was made so late, it didn't save him anyway. If Superbia honestly did think BF was the cop, surely he would have said it a bit earlier? I've already brought that up.
I *could* look back through your filter to find it, but wouldn't it be easier for all of us if you did? :-p
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Pleasure playing with you NM :-( Hopefully we can be town together again some time.
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I fear we may be waiting for Godot.
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Insofar as this game, here's my thing: town really need town to pick each other up. It's literally so easy for scum to just lurk and go with thread sentiment when the target isn't here and defending themselves. Slam is a lost cause. So if, by some weird twist of fate, it's you or Scott, we can basically just GG now if we lynch Superbia today and he flips town. If he's town he needs to come and make a strong case.
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I really want to hear from Superbia and Slam. But honestly, Superbia being afk is just making it harder and harder to stop scum reading him.
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Just got four pages into Superbia's filter and got bored. His whole first day just makes no sense to me. He asked tons of questions, did nothing with any of the information and was generally totally indifferent to the lynch. If he isn't Mafia, town have been SUPER unlucky to have him. Everything about his filter is timid.
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I'm not not around, but I'm busy at work and don't have a lot of time to parse stuff.
Here's my thing. All other things aside, Superbia and Slam abandoning us at the same time as the Cake flip (more or less) is suuuuuuuuuuuuper scummy. But two of them did it. So we all have assumed it's one of them. And that's a very very fair assessment imo. And I think we'd be in serious danger of over thinking things if we deviated from that.
At the same time, I really really don't want to lose this game. I don't think it's you. Honestly, if it's you, then you've played amazingly, because it would be so so so difficult to keep the frenetic act you've got going on all game as mafia. But it *could* be scott. He and GB had a shit-fight d1, but that's w/e really. He's had a couple of weird posts (his thread entry about wanting to be mafia with me was super meh, looking back on it). And his filter is only 8 pages, which is quite short for a game this long.
Really, what I need to do, is go back with an absolute fine tooth comb through his filter and think about how and when he posted stuff. I don't think I'll have time to do that now until Friday evening. But we can't just let this thread die in the meantime. Because if, by some miracle, it is you or Scott, we're just sleepwalking to a loss. And we def owe it to ourselves to at least think about who else it could be.
Honestly, I want to know what Superbia thinks of scott.
Also, I'm interested that Slam now thinks it's scott. Honestly, that is quite interesting. There are a couple of ways I could read that, but I don't want to set them out now for reasons.
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