EPTYou went straight after me, so it made it clear in my opinion. I'm the victim - you are the puppetmaster - and Fidei is the puppet. That's how I know he is town. He has to make the right decision - you are trying to convince him of the incorrect one - ie the puppetmaster - and I'm the innocent victim.
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You went straight after me, so it made it clear in my opinion. I'm the victim - you are the puppetmaster - and Fidei is the puppet. That's how I know he is town. He has to make the right decision - you are trying to convince him of the incorrect one - ie the puppetmaster - and I'm the innocent victim. | ||
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On September 21 2015 09:51 Fidei86 wrote: How did I go ahead of MD in your scum read list Scott? I'm not 100% sure which part you are referring to, but I think you mean from after the lynch to day post to now? From your interaction with MD last night - I mean posts like this - On September 20 2015 02:35 Fidei86 wrote: Please explain to me my Mafia motivation for pushin you. If I'm Mafia, I kill you and then I vote whoever of slam and Scott I like. And I win because slam is basically afk. You must know I'm town. Are coming from a town perspective - and the other forbidden talk. I was still drinking the kool-aid on Moosy about CopCake, that it was such a bus happy world that it was unrealistic. I was mistaken after Slam died - because in my worlds I just didn't see it happening - -but it makes perfect sense now. I also know you are town by Moosy's actions when you see it from my point of view. I know it may look like "how is he so damn sure I am town unless he's mafia?" - just look at the posts I made earlier - It's how lylo works. I wasn't 100% sure until he voted for me though. | ||
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On September 21 2015 17:24 Fidei86 wrote: Scott that makes no sense though. In my world, the best Mafia play at LyLo is to have the two townies fight it out and then come down on one side. And that's where you seem to have been, until Moosy came onto you. But if you're town then don't you have to consider a world where it's me? I mean, it could be me? To you? It's not. But the fact that MD is voting for you doesn't make him Mafia. That's what I thought at first, and why I made that post just before deadline. What's his other option? Shoot you? That makes him look suspicious. Yes, me and slam can argue it out, but what's even better? The yolo play. I give him props for it. It's guardians all over again. Deja fucking vu. It's also more than the vote - it's how he came to the conclusion, how his beginning of day play was, and then the vote sealed it for me. It's also how he went after me fairly quickly in the day. If he was town he would be playing like you, unsure, rereading, etc. I know I'm town, I got a town pm. He knows I have a town pm. You are the investigator. You are the town's hope. I'll be at work in about an hour, and I'll try to check into the thread when I can. | ||
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On September 20 2015 11:28 scott31337 wrote: I was wrong here, it's all true. Where the fuck did his Moosy scumread go? He had no problem voting for me though.  Mafia don't like having to lie, because it's easier to keep the story straight. It was a fat bus the whole fucking game - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia - Damdred would be proud. I re-read and did Ctrl-F's in Cop's and GB's filters - the whole plan was to just bus the hell out of each other and hope it confuses us town enough to victory. | ||
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On September 22 2015 02:35 Fidei86 wrote: EBWOP: Scott - you'll forgive me if I'm struggling with this a little. It seems to me that your progression is that at EON you had me as your number one scum. Yes, it was weak, but still. You said you were "most suspicious" of me. Or something like that. Anyway, Slam then flips, and all of a sudden you're town reading me. But only after Moosy comes out and says it's I recognise this is very frustrating if you are town, but I really need you to walk me through in as much detail as you can exactly the timeline of the last EON. Use short sentences and simple words if you think it necessary. I'll try my best. I was still believing that Moosy was not bussing because it seemed so next level at the time - that made me more suspicious of you before the day. I spent an hour writing up that last rites and waited for 29 after to post it - I was not thinking Slam would be killed. Day flips - Slam was killed. Your reaction to it (WIFOM) but it was like I wasted that whole hour writing it out for nothing, because it was unexpected and the last thing on my mind. After a few minutes - I thought - which of you two would do this? It's a great pin on Scott - who would get more leverage on their agenda? Moosy would - I posted my gut feeling in the thread - went to the store for some beer, and came back. By that time, moosy posted his Fidei mafia posts - and then his I was confused, It's scott for sure. Now, I don't know if it was because of my gut post - but he went after me fairly quicky - which made me suspicious as all hell. Why would Town!Moosy do this? He'd be like you - Is it Fidei? Is it Scott? is it all WIFOM? Why am I not dead? No, he went right after me, because for the nightkill - to put it on me, and then ML me for the win. His downfall is he did it too early without thinking critically. After his waffle and then on to me - he's locked on. I'm about 99% he's mafia here, trying to get the ML now. When he votes I'm 100% sure - so I vote for him. He doesn't have a townie mindet - he's got a mislynch and win mindset. | ||
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On September 13 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote: Day 3 Alliance Surveillance Report DO NOT SHARE OR REPRODUCE THIS DOCUMENT! This report is for Alliance eyes only. It details information collected in secret regarding possible Rebel activity in the Outer Sector. Details: Data regarding the ship tagged Serenity is enclosed. Crew Compliment: Last reported at 13 Captain: Malcolm Reynolds, known Independent sympathizer Position: Uncertain Current suspect list and those implicating them: Superbia (3): scott31337, Breshke, Fidei86 boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, Alakaslam Fidei86 (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Informing (0): Advised Action: Bounty Hunters dispatched and expected to arrive in , currently targeting Superbia due to suspicions reported by 3 Informants. Situation is subject to change. Updates should be reported. Reminder: A player cannot vote for himself. Anyone without a valid vote may be modkilled for not voting. Reporting Channel: tl.net.nsm014 Superbia was starting to put in some effort (just like he did on Day 5 too, but it's too little too late) and with a vote like this, mafia can manipulate it too easily - and Breshke seemed to be AFK. Remember Slam did that vote swap but it didn't change the result? | ||
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On September 22 2015 03:49 Fidei86 wrote: Okay so I think it's scott at the moment. EVERYONE FREAK OUT. Once you stop freaking out, my reasoning is on the Superbia/BF/Slam read progression you had after the Cake lynch. Like, you were hard-core scum reading Superbia, but then you choose to go for BF, when you could have easily hammered Superbia (or, you know, voted for him). Then you start hard scum-reading Superbia for POE reasons, in circumstances where Slam was hard town-reading you. It really came out of nowhere. Then you keep posting that it has to be slam, right up until EOD, when you're all of a sudden totally unsure of him. Now need to go read GB and Cake's filters. FML. "Then you keep posting that it has to be slam, right up until EOD, when you're all of a sudden totally unsure of him." I intentionally did this in the post before - did you read my last rites? | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:53 scott31337 wrote: N00b is putting in a lot of posting and got a slight move up, but like what rayn says - he's not pushing anyone - like he's waiting to see what happens - and that makes me worried - He looks worse than the rest in the game - still #2. GB - I went over this already - #1 - voting him now I think Copcake's town and am not seeing the reasoning for him. GlowingBear (5): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, Fidei86 copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage n00bking (3): CopCake, boxerfred, Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott310337 (1): GlowingBear the GB wagon looks pure and I think every one on him is town. I remember you commenting on this before Fidei, that a mafia would not "confirm" so many townies. Do you disagree with this now? | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: My gigantic case on CopCake. I suggest you read all of it because every bit relates to each other which is important. 1. CopCake gets hung up over inconsequential details and attempts to blow them out of proportion. + Show Spoiler + Cop asks me this pointless question early on which is easily explained and gets hung up over it. Just because I’m able to notice that they’re good friends shows in no way that I’m Mafia. It’s NAI or just shows that I’m perceptive. On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote: Sorry I am busy and how can Moosy be town? Like he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" Like how the fuck does he has that kind of info that we get along extremely too well? That's why I asked he says he was playing but he got it extremely right. + Show Spoiler + My comment was a joke but she tries to make something out of it. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote: How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in? Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? 2. She continuously brings up points that were already addressed in an attempt to fill her arguments with filler. + Show Spoiler + Here I explain how I noticed rayn and her were good friends and she accepts it readily. Then…I’m scum read for it again in this post of hers? On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. + Show Spoiler + My post about rayn calming down once CopCake joined was also more of a joke AND I still explained it for her benefit but she STILL brings it up in the very same post. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said “rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. + Show Spoiler + I’ve already explained half her points but she brings them up again in order to make it look like her argument is compelling and has basis. In fact, she tries to stress it in her next post. On September 06 2015 06:12 CopCake wrote: Omg i wrote the biggest post so far this round. 3. CopCake’s tone. Yes. Tone is part of this case. + Show Spoiler + Her tone is VERY anti-town. Rather than pressuring people, she attempts to demean them which creates a bad town atmosphere. The following posts serve no other purpose in the thread other than to create filler and belittle others. On September 05 2015 10:38 CopCake wrote: someone is FROZEN On September 05 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote: Ok, let me predict the next post of moosy "lol bla bla bla i can't explain it" "insert some eminem song and a joke haha town" On September 05 2015 11:32 CopCake wrote: The fact he doesn't realize STUFF is pretty telling tho << talking about noobking. On September 05 2015 11:57 CopCake wrote: No reasons, how cute. This is like the third time you have been saying that shit. + Show Spoiler + If this was how she posts every time then I would accept it. After all, rayn has a very aggressive tone and isn’t afraid to push his weight around. HOWEVER, CopCake freely admits that her tone is fake. On September 05 2015 11:07 CopCake wrote: 1.- This is a community in which only few people know me. Pretty few people know me and rayn get a long too well and love to play with each other. I missunderstood you and I say sorry. It's pretty ok for me to panic when someone knows details about me and just makes me wonder "how do they know this shit", it's obvious. 2.- I am not nooby, in fact I am bragging a lot. 3.- I am not sheeping rayn, he changed his vote to alakazam and i am on noobking, i even said he is frozen. 4.- Never came in a real conclusion? I didn't like he hasn't come and is fighting me when 5 min ago or less he was being pretty active, he got FROZEN, he doesn't have an answer. This game will be easy. If you go back and read her posts, they are clearly an act. She’s trying to seem confident and tries to throw her weight around and establish thread presence. These are all things Mafia would do to try and pull of mislynches. Here she’s creating bad town atmosphere with me and n00bKing in order to create the thread presence to lynch us. (btw, I didn’t fall for this although n00bKing sadly did) + Show Spoiler + I don’t like to keep bringing this up, but this post just clearly outlines how she’s trying to create bad town atmosphere. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. Besides being full of filler as I already pointed out, this whole thing tries to make it look like I’m making little sense when I’ve already explained away half her arguments. I know I’m focusing a bit on the parts where she interacts with me, but the same goes for n00bKing. She’s trying to create easy mislynches on the the both of us especially since I associate myself so much with n00bKing who everyone is reading as Mafia. + Show Spoiler + I’d also like people to look back carefully at my interaction with CopCake. I ALWAYS make the effort to respond calmly. I ALWAYS make the effort to explain why I’m doing what I’m doing and give reasons for my reads when she asks. But in return all she does is yell at me and get worked up over my calm answers. This is because she’s feeling the pressure from being pointed out as Mafia. A townie would calmly brush away the suspicion but she’s caught and attempts to clear the suspicion through yelling and making it seem like my answers are bad. 4. CopCake tries to pocket. + Show Spoiler + As we all know, rayn doesn’t pull his punches and he has big thread presence. It would make absolute sense for Mafia to cuddle up to him in order to be townread and defended by him. These posts just show that she’s trying to do this where she defends him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to) and tries to lynch the same person as him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to). On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote: Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game. When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote: Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. On September 05 2015 11:54 CopCake wrote: Rayn soneji killed you in the other game. I am laughing so hard. On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote: I don't like noobking for this things: > How he voted you > Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but but the BIG BUT IS > it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia. Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote: Eh ok. Noobking TALK TO ME and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES. look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer. I hope you understand that. 5. CopCake uses terrible reasoning and isn’t clearly reading the thread. + Show Spoiler + As promised, I’ll point out why her defense of rayn is so bad. First is this post: On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote: Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. This DOES NOT show rayn is town but in fact shows that he is Mafia. Mafia would try and get hung up over little details and blow them out of proportion to force a mislynch. The only reason why rayn would be read as town this early is meta: basically his eagerness to dive into the thread and his standard aggressive townie manner. + Show Spoiler + CopCake’s arguments to vote n00bKing are terrible as well. This is her case against him: On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote: I don't like noobking for this things: > How he voted you > Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but but the BIG BUT IS > it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia. Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. Point 1 makes no sense. There have been some points stated against rayn (which I’ll go into in the next spoiler) but she brushes them aside. There is no reason to immediately say that rayn is town but she does so almost as if she has TMI. Point 2 makes less sense. It’s not even a point. “You sometimes don’t make logic to some people, but because you make logic to some people which is subjective, so you are town because you are aggressive.” She talks about two different things (logic and rayn’s aggressiveness) and…I’m sorry but I don’t even know. The part after the but makes no sense either. My head hurts trying to read this. + Show Spoiler + Now she asks n00bKing why rayn’s Mafia which has been provided a BUNCH of times. Here’s her question: On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote: Eh ok. Noobking TALK TO ME and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES. look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer. I hope you understand that. The points against rayn at that point in the game are as follows. 1. He was using meta reads for Alakaslam when he normally uses harder material. 2. He was using tone reads for yamato77 when he normally uses harder material. 3. He doesn’t seem to question his reads afterwards on both Alakaslam and yamato but easily gives way that Slam is probably town and continues to maintain that yamato is town with no question. 4. He blowed the GlowingBear claim out of proportion when it was a joke. The interesting thing is that CopCake says that rayn normally doesn’t use meta and town reads: On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote: Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game. When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. But here he is CLEARLY doing that but she thinks that he’s town?? Meanwhile she reads both me AND n00bKing as scum for pointing this out. This is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION. This shows she’s not reading the thread and she’s trying hard to force a mislynch. Note that she doesn’t even follow up on this either even though BOTH of us have explained this. 6. She’s now hiding + Show Spoiler + Self-explanatory. Literally non-existent now. Speaks for itself. While rayn and Fidei are hammering at me about not posting a stance on the claims, she gets away with it? I think that rayn is too biased when it comes to her, but Fidei. Okay. Posting case now at Superbia’s request. On September 08 2015 10:15 scott31337 wrote: The case is okay - not great - Seems to be quite a bit of confirmation bias in it though. What if I said that #4 feels more like that you know rayn is town? Remember when I said this and when I read your case, this stuck out at me - that #4 you know Rayn is town from TMI. Can you explain this for me? | ||
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On September 22 2015 04:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: I don't have more to say. scott is Mafia here. I was looking to see who scum read me or not and then posted my test case to see scott's reaction. He responded how Mafia would and spewed you town in the process. His reads don't add up. I went from town to scum and you from scum to town. Other things like how he forgot how he read me. Also how he immediately finds it acceptable to think I would have been busing when he made a large post about how busing is not likely. It's 2-1 LYLO - you use the information in the thread to pull up information on what's scummy, what are the agendas of people, etc. I was in the dark until you killed Alakaslam - and now I see the light. I didn't come from Day 5 and play the tunnel game, or kept my reads static - I thought of what the mafia agenda was - and I reversed my read. Looking back, I should've waffled more (I knew what was going on in Guardians, and it could be my downfall here as well) - but it's only my second LYLO as town - I'll get experience and learn. | ||
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#2 - His reluctance for GB and voting CopCake since he knew they were both Mafia but he comes out like roses after the red check (or when if/when we finally lynch them) #3 - His Blue hunting on N2 and not believing Rayn's fakeclaim after we lynched GB and flipped Mafia - There was no town agenda here. | ||
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On September 10 2015 10:14 Fidei86 wrote: Like, what even is this post? You've been scum reading Cake all game, and I feel like you've been softing me for a while. Then you come out after Rayn says he thinks we're both town (idk how doctor would even confirm someone when the night kill went through n1), and basically say "oh cool, I've been wrong all game, but happy to take your word for it!" And then you include yourself in the possible scum list?!? ... Ugh. If you're town, you're playing such a weird game, I don't even know. I thought you were too dumb to be Mafia, but you're testing that read now. | ||
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On September 10 2015 11:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: the rest is self explanatory but since gb let it slip we have a doc, that means we also have a cop. and i was saying and agreeing with you that the cop shouldn't claim in order to have 2 more nights. I see this as a partial it On September 10 2015 11:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all you ahev absolutely no idea what would "fit my character" or what does not. Second, if you were town and you believed you are right here (that i am fakeclaiming), you would be happy about it and shut up, because that would result in mafia shooting me (as NOONE except you in this game believes this is the case) and the real doctor doccing me. So yeah, what you are saying here doesn't make a single bit of sense from town perspective. Third, i have never implied i think Cake is the cop. I don't bluehunt when i am town. When a blue flips or outs i see if it makes sense or not. | ||
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