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On August 27 2015 08:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 08:16 Trfel wrote:On August 27 2015 08:10 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Not sure if I want to lynch justanothertownie, but currently leaning towards no?
Don't really have time to filter dive right now.
I want to lynch Hopeless1der.
##vote Hopeless1der
Leaning towards town on MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes. Explanation please. Why Hopeless? Why did you feel the need to include townreads on MD and VE? Because I think that Hopeless1der has a fair chance of being mafia, and it's not something I need to read a lot of filters or think super critically about. Look at his filter and his last game and you'll see why. I also think that now is a good time to push this. I see no reason to wait. MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes were my tone reads that don't require filter dives and I'm not too worried about (I have a town tone read on WaveofShadow, but I'm more worried about him than the other two). Plus, there's been some discussion about MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes recently. Hopeless didn't even post yet. How could you possibly have any kind of read on him? Okay, I'll explain it in more detail.
Hopeless1der generally doesn't play the game as scum. He doesn't play all that much as town, but even less as scum.
This game, he said he'd actually play, and then he confirmed. And then he vanished.
After rolling scum last game and not doing much, if he rolled scum again this game, I would expect even less.
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On August 27 2015 08:27 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 08:25 Trfel wrote:On August 27 2015 08:19 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 08:16 Trfel wrote:On August 27 2015 08:10 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: Not sure if I want to lynch justanothertownie, but currently leaning towards no?
Don't really have time to filter dive right now.
I want to lynch Hopeless1der.
##vote Hopeless1der
Leaning towards town on MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes. Explanation please. Why Hopeless? Why did you feel the need to include townreads on MD and VE? Because I think that Hopeless1der has a fair chance of being mafia, and it's not something I need to read a lot of filters or think super critically about. Look at his filter and his last game and you'll see why. I also think that now is a good time to push this. I see no reason to wait. MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes were my tone reads that don't require filter dives and I'm not too worried about (I have a town tone read on WaveofShadow, but I'm more worried about him than the other two). Plus, there's been some discussion about MoosyDoosy and VisceraEyes recently. Hopeless didn't even post yet. How could you possibly have any kind of read on him? Okay, I'll explain it in more detail. Hopeless1der generally doesn't play the game as scum. He doesn't play all that much as town, but even less as scum. This game, he said he'd actually play, and then he confirmed. And then he vanished. After rolling scum last game and not doing much, if he rolled scum again this game, I would expect even less. I wouldn't put it past him to get modkilled/replaced as town. Maybe, but I think it's more likely that he is mafia.
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On August 27 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: No. I find Trfel's post strange as well. hopeless1der is likely to get modkilled at any rate so there's no use in voting him right now. Not to mention there's been no discussion about VE recently, although Kels has been questioning about me.
@Trfel, give us other thoughts on more people. Who else would you lynch besides hopeless. Hopeless1der isn't going to get modkilled. He'll come back and start posting.
But I don't care, I want to talk about him now. Why don't you?
Why should I want to discuss VisceraEyes?
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On August 27 2015 10:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: No. I find Trfel's post strange as well. hopeless1der is likely to get modkilled at any rate so there's no use in voting him right now. Not to mention there's been no discussion about VE recently, although Kels has been questioning about me.
@Trfel, give us other thoughts on more people. Who else would you lynch besides hopeless. Hopeless1der isn't going to get modkilled. He'll come back and start posting. But I don't care, I want to talk about him now. Why don't you? Why should I want to discuss VisceraEyes? Ok, fine, I take it back. I should probably discuss VisceraEyes.
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On August 27 2015 10:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote: OMG PEOPLE
I'm not voting JAT, that's the important thing. does anyone else find this post weird by VE? I don't find it weird?
Why do you?
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On August 27 2015 10:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 10:41 Trfel wrote:On August 27 2015 10:39 Trfel wrote:On August 27 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: No. I find Trfel's post strange as well. hopeless1der is likely to get modkilled at any rate so there's no use in voting him right now. Not to mention there's been no discussion about VE recently, although Kels has been questioning about me.
@Trfel, give us other thoughts on more people. Who else would you lynch besides hopeless. Hopeless1der isn't going to get modkilled. He'll come back and start posting. But I don't care, I want to talk about him now. Why don't you? Why should I want to discuss VisceraEyes? Ok, fine, I take it back. I should probably discuss VisceraEyes. ? There's no way for you to know that Hopeless1der is going to come back unless you've talked with him outside of this thread. Ok, I don't know for certain that Hopeless1der is coming back. But I don't care about if he gets replaced or modkilled? I'll deal with that if/when it happens.
What is your point?
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On August 27 2015 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Trfel why is your most significant contribution to the game voting somebody who cannot defend themselves? If you knew why, you'd be voting with me.
You should sheep me on this one. MoosyDoosy, you too.
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On August 27 2015 11:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 10:58 Trfel wrote:On August 27 2015 10:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 10:41 Trfel wrote:On August 27 2015 10:39 Trfel wrote:On August 27 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: No. I find Trfel's post strange as well. hopeless1der is likely to get modkilled at any rate so there's no use in voting him right now. Not to mention there's been no discussion about VE recently, although Kels has been questioning about me.
@Trfel, give us other thoughts on more people. Who else would you lynch besides hopeless. Hopeless1der isn't going to get modkilled. He'll come back and start posting. But I don't care, I want to talk about him now. Why don't you? Why should I want to discuss VisceraEyes? Ok, fine, I take it back. I should probably discuss VisceraEyes. ? There's no way for you to know that Hopeless1der is going to come back unless you've talked with him outside of this thread. Ok, I don't know for certain that Hopeless1der is coming back. But I don't care about if he gets replaced or modkilled? I'll deal with that if/when it happens. What is your point? Share your thoughts on others and switch your vote. If Hopeless1der comes back and doesn't get modkilled then we can decide what to do with him. But since he hasn't done anything, it's kinda ridiculous to try and kill him. I'd like the "share your thoughts" part especially. I've shared my general thoughts on most people; you can assume that for people I did not share my thoughts on, that I agree with the thread sentiment. If you want more detail, you'll have to wait for late evening, which is when I have the majority of my time to play mafia.
There are less than 20 hours remaining until the deadline. I'm making it clear right now that I think that Hopeless1der is likely mafia, and that I want to lynch him. I have explained why.
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On August 27 2015 11:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Decondou and boxer are more scummy than Hopeless, if you want to talk about people that have a few posts. The info about hopeless is literally all OGI and irrelevant to this game imo Hopeless1der is more likely to be scum than the other two because of meta.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491681-tropical-storm-mini-mafia
Here you go.
It's not irrelevant, it's very relevant, and very useful.
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For the record, I had (at least something I thought was) an actual reason for pushing Hopeless1der. Evidently no one else saw that reason, or maybe I'm just being really, really stupid.
Anyway, I'll be reading stuff. If anyone wants to talk, let me know.
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Well, this is boring.
Why does this game have to be all European people And why do I have to be on the west coast.......
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On August 26 2015 08:30 justanothertownie wrote: Poking people with sticks isn't very nice. Throwing stones is also an action I would deem quite hostile. Seems pretty scummy to me. Justanothertownie, please explain this post.
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Vivax, do you find that post funny at all?
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On August 27 2015 17:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:37 Trfel wrote: Vivax, do you find that post funny at all? If you cannot see that this is never a serious post I question not only your alignment but also your sanity. It doesn't make sense to me as a serious post.
But it doesn't make sense to me as a joke, either. At all.
I need another opinion.
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On August 27 2015 17:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:42 Trfel wrote:On August 27 2015 17:41 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 17:37 Trfel wrote: Vivax, do you find that post funny at all? If you cannot see that this is never a serious post I question not only your alignment but also your sanity. It doesn't make sense to me as a serious post. But it doesn't make sense to me as a joke, either. At all. I need another opinion. I bet you do. It must be incredibly important to you to figure out if that post is in fact a joke or not. Almost as important as talking about Palmars opinion on marv when both hadn't done anything and weren't even there. Almost as useful as pushing the guy that didn't post even once so far. What was it that you thought makes this scummy btw.? I just don't understand your stance on rsoultin and Palmar over the course of the game. You keep accusing them of things that would strongly suggest that they are scum, and then call them probably town. Which makes no logical sense (if you think they're town, there's no reason to keep pointing out things and accusing them of being scummy).
Though I can see it coming from town, it just annoys me for some reason? And makes it hard for me to not scumread you.
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Reads from Trfel! + Show Spoiler [Pointless Fluff] +Yes, the section of my post marked "Pointless Fluff" is entirely necessary. You must read it. I've been listening to this song a lot over the past few days. I like it a lot. This one too. They're good songs, listen to them. It'll improve your scumhunting. Anyway, I'm kind of sad that I'm mostly able to play when most people are sleeping. How boring. So I'll just make a fancy list post.
Town
Palmar + Show Spoiler +I don't have a very good record of reading Palmar in the past. But I'm still pretty confident that Palmar is town here for the way he's been driven and focused. He's provided insightful comments and I like his push on justanothertownie. His tone also feels relaxed. I know this doesn't make him town, as he is capable of having a relaxed tone as mafia, but in this game his tone is most natural when he's giving reads on (arguably) harder-to-read players, which feels much harder to fake than normal relaxed tone. marvellosity + Show Spoiler +Marvellosity is definitely capable of tricking me, but I feel he's likely town here. If he isn't, it should be more clear in a few days, anyway.
Marvellosity feels more driven here than as mafia in Assassination Mafia, where he played well enough to avoid being lynched and have some thread presence, but was not above suspicion. Given how much he enjoys playing mafia, I wouldn't really expect him to increase his effort compared to that game.
Town Lean
MoosyDoosy + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. On August 26 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:45 rsoultin wrote:On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. truffle's probably town with the stipulation that he didn't make me laugh :/ I'd still like an answer to why he asked for an opinion on marv when there was literally almost nothing that marv had posted. I feel like it's getting punted to the side while people are trying to kill JAT. These posts don't really make sense. Why does he want to talk about me (Trfel), when all he wants is an answer to my question? That's not something he can get while I'm not present. He seems to realize that discussing me at this time doesn't help with anything, and doesn't mention me for quite some time. I don't find his interactions with WaveofShadow scummy. But this post: On August 26 2015 23:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 23:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Moosy you never substantiated on your wave!town read His willingness to call out rsoul and his direct manner when he posts. tone reads basically is all wrong. The majority of WaveofShadow's posts at this point were jokes. He never called rsoultin out, and jokes can't really be seen as having a direct manner. The only things he directly committed to are finding scum and voting for marvellosity (which clearly wasn't a hard commitment, as expected). This post doesn't make much sense. I would like an explanation from MoosyDoosy (tone doesn't align with direct manner and calling out rsoultin when the posts are jokes). Tone seems very relaxed and seems to show a town mindset. In general, his thought process and reads match and are sensible. KelsierSC + Show Spoiler +The downside is that KelsierSC is quite good as mafia. He showed this in Gaiden 1.
I like his questioning to MoosyDoosy about his townread of WaveofShadow, but he drops it before reaching a real conclusion based on this.
I'm fine with this read for now, anyway. Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler +I'm sleepy.
A lot of it's tone, and I don't feel like his reads are too constructed/clean/correct. Though this is a weak read.
Null
rsoultin + Show Spoiler +I refuse to be wrong on rsoultin. I can accomplish that by not giving a read. (Plus I'm sleepy, basically always think rsoultin is town, and don't think that rsoultin is a good lynch today even if I found a few things that made me suspicious)
Mafia Lean
VisceraEyes + Show Spoiler +First he votes for WaveofShadow, and then decides to change his vote to MoosyDoosy based on how MoosyDoosy kept talking to WaveofShadow. On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc.
Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy.
The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie.
Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.
##Unvote ##Vote: MoosyDoosy This isn't a convincing case at all. VisceraEyes starts out by saying that he thinks that MoosyDoosy is pocketing WaveofShadow, but this is reasonable from town, but he gets a bad feeling anyway. Then he says that he can see something that can be considered towny may be able to come from a mafia perspective. And then he says it's better than voting for someone who is AFK. Which results in a vote on MoosyDoosy. VisceraEyes doesn't seem convinced by his own case. And he's downplaying his earlier vote on WaveofShadow, which felt really out of place anyway. I don't understand why he voted for WaveofShadow in the first place. The strength he places in his WaveofShadow read seems to vary a lot: On August 27 2015 00:10 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 00:05 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 00:04 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 27 2015 00:01 Palmar wrote:On August 26 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh I think JAT is town and Palmar can lick a [redacted] lamppost in wintertime. WHO IS MAFIA THEN EINSTEIN? I kinda like the Wave sentiment. FMP, the people hanging in the background not taking a side on the issue are the suspicious ones with regard to the whole JAT thing. name names, babe ^ do this though. ##Vote: WaveofShadowBeyond that, Moosy is kinda not taking a side, which I find super strange, and there are several people who have yet to even post. On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote: [case on MoosyDoosy]
Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.
##Unvote ##Vote: MoosyDoosy On August 27 2015 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't like Wave's entrance, worst in the thread besides marv's. Then he disappeared which I find to be extremely out of character for Wave. I'm interested to hear why you think I'm focusing around him so much though, I've spent WAY more posts trying to oppose a JAT lynch and appealing to marv and Palmar. On August 27 2015 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:57 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 01:53 WaveofShadow wrote: No wait. Dumb. Shadow game. yes, how could you forget one of my most comprehensive mafia triumphs Yeh that was a very good one. One of the best games I've ever had the pleasure of playing in. Marv do you not think that VE has similar cohones to me in that he does not fear taking you/Palmar on as scum? I don't think Palmar's OMGUS has any particular true reason behind it but I don't think VE is ruled out. Wait wait wait, have you even READ my posts? I've had nearly an IDENTICAL thought process as you have based on your posts, and you're not ruling me out? Are you fucking mafia Wave?!?!? VisceraEyes transitions from voting for WaveofShadow to seemingly being surprised and not having considered that WaveofShadow could be mafia. Hopeless1der + Show Spoiler +He generally doesn't play as mafia. He was mafia last game, didn't play, and died. This game, he said he would play, confirmed, and then hasn't posted anything yet. justanothertownie + Show Spoiler +Not going to repeat everything that's been mentioned about him. But I find it very hard to get a read on him because it seems like justanothertownie is a player who is very self-confident and prides himself in always being right. Thus, when people disagree with him and push him all game, I can see him getting caught up arguing with them when it clearly isn't going anywhere, I can see him constantly insulting and throwing scum on people he later says are probably town, I can see him sort of playing like this. In the end, I'm torn. I think that his play is objectively bad, but I'm not sure if that makes him scum here. The biggest problem I have with him is that he simply isn't pushing his reads. Here's justanothertownie's filter with only the read progression (only including the main scum reads, excluding all of the stuff to rsoultin/Palmar due to previously mentioned reasons) On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote: Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. He goes on to explain this several more times, and say that it is the best thing mentioned in the thread.
On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.
On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote: Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Why MoosyDoosy? (not throwing suspicion, actually wondering, and a note to self (that I probably will forget about) to look into this)
On August 27 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote:On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday.
When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative.
Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia. He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts. This is interesting, because this is the opposite impression I got from Mr. Cheesecake at this time. When later questioned on this, justanothertownie used an example that happened after this post was made.
Between the start of the game and this post, Mr. Cheesecake said the following (abbreviated): + Show Spoiler +Rsoultin is town for tone MoosyDoosy is town for claiming VT
Palmar and marvellosity are probably town KelsierSC is probably mafia Justanothertownie is probably town Goes back a little on his reason to townread justanothertownie
I'm labeling this list very subjectively. Strikethrough reads are reads that are easy to make (meaning that they are low risk reads for mafia, in that they won't have repercussions and likely won't be questioned later, or are just obvious). Red reads are reads that justanothertownie disagreed with.
Assuming that justanothertownie thinks that his own reads are correct, Mr. Cheesecake didn't actually make any reads that are significant that aligned with his own, except for saying that justanothertownie is town.
I don't see how justanothertownie sees Mr. Cheesecake's posts here as being clean or accurate.
And that's all that I see. What I don't see is an actual push. He's said the same point about me (Trfel) many times (saying it's one of the best things in the thread), and people have disagreed. But he hasn't said much about the rest of my play. He hasn't commented on a single thing I've done being towny, but he doesn't seem convinced that anything I've done outside of that one post makes me scum. I don't see him really pushing WaveofShadow, either. He said that WaveofShadow might be the first mafia joining the push [on himself], but never said more (other than agreeing with Mr. Cheesecake's posts about him). Justanothertownie hasn't seemed very motivated at trying to convince people or push one of his scumreads. He hasn't even voted yet. It almost feels like he's too frustrated to lead an actual push himself, and is throwing some suspicion and waiting to vote with whatever people like. Which is a mafia-motivated mindset.
Not making much progress on WaveofShadow, going to just go to bed. I don't really feel like I want to lynch justanothertownie right now, though that could change.
Also, it's funny how nicely my reads list matches the player list XD
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On August 27 2015 17:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:50 Trfel wrote: Though I can see it coming from town, it just annoys me for some reason? And makes it hard for me to not scumread you. This is bullshit btw. You read both of them town, right? So if I can identifie the same even though they are pushing on me without any reason that makes it "hard for you not to scumread me" somehow? That is something that REALLY doesn't make any sense. It's because in your filter I do see times where you accuse them of things that strongly suggest they are mafia, or do seem to accuse them of being mafia. I can see you being town and scumreading the people pushing you, I can see you being town and townreading the people pushing you. It's harder for me to see you being town and townreading the people pushing you, but continually insulting them and effectively calling them scum anyway (effectively attacking their credibility while still townreading them).
On August 27 2015 17:55 Vivax wrote: Trfel you have trouble reading sarcasm/jokes in this game for some reason. Given it was at an early stage after someone said rsoultin should poke him with a stick, that post is the answer to that.
Do you have any idea why Palmar calls you confirmed town hero? Obviously it was a response, but I don't see why that is relevant?
And yes, I do? Because I'm obviously town?
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Whatever, never mind the question to justanothertownie. Obviously some people think that it makes sense. And furthermore, justanothertownie didn't give the response that I expected him to give if he was mafia, so it's an irrelevant point anyway.
Good night.
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On August 28 2015 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 23:58 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 23:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Add to that the fact that he calls both myself AND JAT mafia and votes for NEITHER of us - which is really odd considering JAT was (and is?) the current vote leader. So he doesn't want to lynch JAT? Why not the other mafias he's reading? Why an inactive that could just be AFK town? Why would he do this as scum? Why wouldn't he? He knows I'm town and (I think) JAT is town, and he doesn't want the full force of either of us bearing down on him. So he votes for someone else, hides his "reasoning" in spoilers and crosses his fingers. Why would he do this as town? You seem to think that I'm scared of you.
Really, I'm not.
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On August 28 2015 01:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: I still want to resolve JAT/Trfel. I feel that one is a scum wagon and one is a town. Highly unlikely it's both town or both mafia.
And why do you say this?
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