TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2

On August 26 2015 07:13 rsoultin wrote:
yay! \o/

the tina may get to lynch someone before she dies!

-rolls around the thread-

-tosses stones at jat-

On August 22 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:
meh against my better judgment :/

/in

and i will be experimenting with playstyle changes/busy so...ye

On August 26 2015 07:16 justanothertownie wrote:

Best case of the game.

On August 26 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote:
heya

On August 26 2015 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote:

No I'm mad at you.

On August 26 2015 08:20 rsoultin wrote:
that's cool ^^ i'll do the relentless posting and you can point me in the right direction

should i poke jat with more sticks?

On August 26 2015 08:39 rsoultin wrote:
mafia bones!

On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time:

On August 26 2015 20:21 rsoultin wrote:


i'll also accept this lol

kelsiiiiieeer be super town for me so i can just not worry about you, k? thanks ^^ you're in that i dunnae maybe it's a [insert random alignment based on girl feels that changes with the wind] category presently

now i've got a class i haven't finished reading the material for to prepare for so later bitches xP

On August 26 2015 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:

Yes, it is. I have no idea what about this is interesting to Trfel when marv had posted exactly those posts at that time:


There is no way Trfel seriously expects Palmar to be able to make any kind of conclusion about marv based on this.

On August 26 2015 20:34 rsoultin wrote:


negatory

the bolded part is just sexy coming from you ^^ and not from jat. maybe he's not mean enough? not sarcastic enough? more likely his just isn't as clever lol ><

On August 26 2015 21:38 rsoultin wrote:


lol actually nanoparticles sounds way more interesting (yay for wiki) than being able to distinguish quiche, nahuatl and quechua poetry/myth telling @.@

take me to work with you?

-noms on breakfast-

meh@ksc

why them? moosydoosy got half-ignored and bf...well actually i wasn't a fan of bf's one post cause it felt a bit forced to me but he's not really someone i'm prone to townreading generally anyway lol ><

On August 26 2015 21:43 rsoultin wrote:


mm could be. i coached him but didn't really play the game...and i've never played with him i don't think so you'd know more than i do

i remember him trying to insert himself and not caring because it wasn't anything interesting that he was saying lol ><

On August 26 2015 21:46 rsoultin wrote:

moosydoosy

@.@ good god i can't read

i was talking about moosy lol

bf i already said made me itchy but if he's the one you were saying tries pretty hard as town then i'm wondering if you were reading the same games lol he got lynched d1 in himalayas for being practically a non-entity and gaiden...nh...i don't remember scum games so well usually. i just remember him being stubborn for awful reasons late game

On August 26 2015 21:54 Palmar wrote:
yeah I just caught up.

The following people are town

Kelsier
rsoultin
marv
trfel
moosy

I don't remember these posting

decon
Vivax
cheese
bf
hopeless

I'm withholding judgement on these two for now

WoS
VE

And this guy is mafia

JAT

On August 26 2015 22:00 justanothertownie wrote:

Let me clarify - I don't think it is possible to reasonably explain this at all. I mean we can see what he comes up with but the fact that he posted this is probably way more indicative than whatever justification he comes up with.

On August 26 2015 22:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Rsoultin is town because she (?? Haven't played in so long and this is a new face, heard this person was female somewhere but I know those rarely exist on the internet) was excited to begin the day off and start metaphorically poking people with sticks.

I really want to give MoosyDoosy a townread for: so I think I will.

VE is def town because he is withholding information. As odd as that sounds, I'd think mafia would be more self-conscious about coming out early in the day and claiming to have some reads but refuse to give them until an unspecified later time.

Palmar and Marv are both probably town, I'll figure it out later. Palmar more town than Marv because he likes Rsoultin as town.

For Trfel, I disagreed with his first post:

I felt like boxerfred's "yay" combined with his claim that it's the fourth game in a row was more sarcastic, like he wanted to either play mafia or a power role but failed to get either. Trfel and I had a different reading of that post, which is noteworthy. The calling out stuff like VE's conditional wording is meh. Calling out rsoultin's one post where the read on marv changed is towny of him to call out because it's a very specific distinction hat mafia have a hard time finding. So I'm back and forth on him.

Kelsier is probably mafia. Calls out moosy/bf, guys that aren't here / haven't done anything notable beside an ambivalent first post.

On August 26 2015 22:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Kelsier do you have any reads other than just moosy/bf

On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb

On August 26 2015 22:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:

who's next on ur pursue list then?

On August 26 2015 22:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


What exactly constitutes "jatty"? And I actually agree with the first statement totally. I guess one reason why I think JAT is town is because the case on him is bad.

On August 26 2015 22:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:

wat is this "still" you speak of. I have given no reads on JAT until my recent reply to you. He's a null for me rite now.

On August 26 2015 22:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So are we lynching JAT or wat.

^ puns.

Cheesecake is probs town.

On August 26 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I was trying to be a funny punny there. I was also more of asking for an actual case on him rather than just flinging stuff at him based on meta (looking at you marv).

On August 26 2015 22:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


What has forum mafia come to? Have I missed the apocalypse? Or is this the beginning of a new era?

On August 26 2015 22:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:

yes because he was meta reading people. And I'm not inclined to just trust people's words on meta and such. I'd much rather prefer a solid case.

On August 26 2015 22:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Oh never mind. I'm mixing up Palmarv in my head. -.- I meant Palmar.

On August 26 2015 23:31 marvellosity wrote:

this isn't really right, jat wouldn't forget and he does know

from my pov, it's more that there was absolutely nothing in the posts i made (even less than what palmar catches me off)

On August 26 2015 23:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Trfel was not joking. He is a very serious player. It is when he jokes that he is Mafia more often than not.

On August 26 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote:

GREAT JOB KELS

TAKE THAT MOOSY

On August 26 2015 23:35 rsoultin wrote:
dude this is so simple

jat's one "remarkable" post was blah

therefore jat has done nothing remarkable

jat may not be the most gung-ho scumhunter or whatever (he's actually more of a peanut gallery type player with sass, and that's possibly putting it nicely) however this is a whole lot more nothing than town jat's usually try to slide by with. he usually values his own opinion way more than this

that is why he's scum

y'all are getting hung up on the question when it's not the question but the LACK of ANYTHING interesting that makes him scum. not really sure how to make this clearer?

On August 26 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Kels was town from his first post onwards. He's been pretty sexy this whole time m8.

On August 26 2015 23:48 justanothertownie wrote:

You know that this does not make me mafia if there simply hasn't been anything else of note to say. Who did have things of note to say so far besides me? Noone really. Because Palmar and rsoultin are calling me mafia for the best observation that has been made so far and that is basically everything that happened so far scumhuntingwise.

On August 26 2015 23:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:

His willingness to call out rsoul and his direct manner when he posts. tone reads basically

On August 26 2015 23:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:

His interaction with rsoul.

On August 26 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meh I think JAT is town and Palmar can lick a [redacted] lamppost in wintertime.

On August 26 2015 23:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:

tone reads

and as i explained before, i was trying to use this as a chance to call him out too because he hasn't said much ever since. esp since he'll be a good asset if he is a townie.

On August 27 2015 00:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, it's based on what I thought originally PLUS how he's responded to people on his wagon. I think his post to Trfel is in character regardless of his alignment, and I think how he's responded to Palmar's push (maybe not so much rsoultin's, but Palmar's for sure...maybe because rsoultin's point is stronger than Palmar's...) has felt pretty townie. He's capable of this play as mafia, but he's also capable of this play as town imo.

On August 27 2015 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG PEOPLE

I'm not voting JAT, that's the important thing.

On August 27 2015 00:11 VisceraEyes wrote:

^

What do YOU think of Moosy is the real question.

On August 27 2015 00:37 Vivax wrote:
Been a while since Palmar actually played on D1. What happened?

On August 27 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:

-shrugs- wave wasn't relative to the discussion but you bring him up out of nowhere? lynching him solely off of entrance posts and behavior when the game is more euro time based seems a poor argument as well.

Then again, there isn't much to show that he's town, but don't you think we should let him post some before trying to lynch him?

On August 27 2015 00:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also I did give hard stances to Kelsier earlier so there's that about your "smokescreen".

On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:

You're sweet.
I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep.

I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.

On August 27 2015 01:05 Vivax wrote:


Only if marv wants me to be. Otherwise you have no power here.

Also why.

On August 27 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote:

I got some feels about it a little early on because I'm used to JAT being a fun-killer as town and wasn't getting any of that, and he was fairly forgettable early as well when he has no problem inserting himself into stuff. The fact that Palmar when ham super early makes it more difficult for ME to get a better read on him, but also the fact that Palmar is going ham on him so early is a good sign based on my recent experiences with town Palmar, so I am absolutely fine sheeping here. Certainly doesn't hurt that marv agrees and is 99.9% town.

On August 27 2015 01:15 Vivax wrote:


I'm notorious for snapping at things before reading the thread.
Who is pushing you for that argument exactly?

On August 27 2015 01:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:

rsoul, do you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"?

If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid.

If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it.

On August 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's EXACTLY the amount of back and forth that I find disconcerting. Like, they have back and forth every game but it's a LOT in this game and they IMMEDIATELY townread one another (at least it looks that way to me.) In my experience that's a result of one of them being mafia and trying hard to get the other to townread them, saying all the right things, etc. Both Palmar AND Marv are capable of fooling the other, it just takes effort that generally neither of them are willing to put in. Who's to say they aren't willing to put it in this game?

I only mention it because it looks like you're building town/town marv/Palmar as the foundation of your thought process this game and I'm getting bad feels from Palmar.

On August 27 2015 01:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:

For some reason I can't quote it but this is the post I'm referring to. I think you're just confused as to what exactly I'm talking about.

"Family comes first, sorry.

I'll be more active in maybe another hour and a half, if you're still awake then. Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity."

On August 27 2015 01:55 Palmar wrote:
Oh VE thinks I'm mafia.

I guess that takes him back off the do not lynch list.

On August 27 2015 02:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Yes it does. Because it means that Trfel probs knew about the Palmarv bromance and felt that Palmar could have read marv based on those two posts. Either way, I'm getting tired of you just throwing things at everyone's posts with no purpose behind it. eh, I'll just sheep wave/rsoul.

##vote justanothertownie

On August 27 2015 02:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Yes it does. Because it means that Trfel probs knew about the Palmarv bromance and felt that Palmar could have read marv based on those two posts. Either way, I'm getting tired of you just throwing things at everyone's posts with no purpose behind it. eh, I'll just sheep wave/rsoul.

##vote justanothertownie

On August 27 2015 02:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:

The only people I have ever interfaced with prior to this game are Trfel/you/rsoul. From what I've seen all 3 are good players so I'm more inclined to sheep you guys and listen to your judgment. -shrugs-

On August 27 2015 02:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:

He's been throwing shit at basically everyone and I feel that there's no purpose behind his posts.

On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:


you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else

enjoy your bday

On August 27 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:


lol really >< on what? on everything? even things i've changed my mind about?

caveat: jat, are you saying his posts are too clean as in constructed?

On August 27 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote:
lol ksc >< i'm fine with answering i just am not sure what you want? i'm trying to correct that "read you idiot" problem i have >>

On August 27 2015 02:35 rsoultin wrote:


i've got town feels on him but i'd have to glance back at what i scanned during lunch to remember why lol >< i think it's how he responded to the pressure + just sheepled without being all super!town about it

wave seems insanely conscious how he looks when he's scum...even in gaiden he had a strangely good thumb on the pulse of thread sentiment while being basically afk...people outside the scum team may think it was just lazy but the calculation there was impressive to me

On August 27 2015 02:36 rsoultin wrote:


dude you got modkilled too early to know what i'm talking about lol ><

On August 27 2015 02:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Where did deconduo go?

On August 27 2015 02:38 WaveofShadow wrote:

I mean to be fair that was for two reasons:
1) Meta change
2) I was going through a LOT of shit at the time and couldn't play the way I normally would even if I wanted to. I kept up with thread as best I could on my own time and did my best not to get modkilled until I could do more. It's pretty unlikely I would ever play like that again without a similarly damn good reason.

On August 27 2015 02:39 rsoultin wrote:
like, if you're curious and care to reopen our scum qt

two moments stood out to me...one where he went shit shit i fucked up because he came back and his posts didn't make sense from town (he was questioning the scumreads on one of the largely scumread townies, i think the cop we auto-lynched)

and hard-bussing me to keep town happy and content. no he didn't do much but he clearly knew what he was doing

there's nothing calculated about sheeping the jat vote on no reasoning of his own lol >< and i don't see him doing that as scum

On August 27 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote:


true

:/ don't ask me to qualify my feels! it's like asking me to i dunnae...describe music or something

i wouldn't even talk about it if you didn't ask cause lol it's not really that important presently

On August 27 2015 02:50 rsoultin wrote:
meh so like

the semi-townie thing on jat i dunnae actually was townie tbh

he's kind of a bully when he's caught as scum, in that he just flails around, and i'm not seeing anything particularly brilliant to make me think he's actually town here. did anyone else see something that would counter that impression?

ftr, what i expect from a jat is essentially

agreement sometimes with no elaboration, sometimes with an extra point that introduces a new perspective
or
disagreement and why that's fairly well-reasoned

instead i see a lot of flailing and a refusal to admit that his push on truffle isn't good or an attempt to revisit that section and see if he was wrong/prove that i'm wrong about the context of truffle's comment

On August 27 2015 02:52 rsoultin wrote:


ye i wouldn't use feels if they didn't work better than logics for me -_- they're irritating and especially hard to explain

who does the ksc want to lynch right now?

also, do you have a read on vivax? he's not coming off to me as nearly as townie as he was in storm and i'm not sure if that's because i was scum there and already knew he was town or what

On August 27 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote:
i dunnae people seem to be scumreading moosy for things that i'd expect new players to get scumread for as town :/ i'm really not sold on that

On August 27 2015 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do eet.

On August 27 2015 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
OMGUS, paranoia, and something I can't talk about makes me wonder if KSC is scum.
Low priority either way.

On August 27 2015 03:20 deconduo wrote:


I got bored after page 22 or so and drank a bottle of wine instead

On August 27 2015 06:49 justanothertownie wrote:

The summary is the following: Rsoultin does not think I am "jatty" enough. Evidently she hasn't even the slightest idea of what jatty is.

And wow you guys produced like 2 pages since I left. I bet I will se an incredible amount of scumhunting upon reading this.

On August 27 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, I thought you taught MoosyDoosy how to play mafia?

Clearly you haven't done a very good job

On August 27 2015 07:46 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'll give proper thoughts later but as I recall he hasn't done that much since I asked, has he?

On August 27 2015 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:

The more you try to give orders the me the longer I will wait until I do anything besides calling you stupid.

Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.'
I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that.

On August 27 2015 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
I am interested in Moosy's thoughts now that I have arrived.

On August 27 2015 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like MAYBE I can see Moosy giving lynch wagon credit to rsoul.
Maybe.
But me?

And since I've come back Moosy has asked me a few random questions that just seem really disjointed---like i don't get the feeling of why he needed me to come back in the first place so urgently.

On August 27 2015 07:46 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'll give proper thoughts later but as I recall he hasn't done that much since I asked, has he?

On August 27 2015 21:26 rsoultin wrote:
lol i hesitate

cause fuck wave

he can fool me and has

but really it seemed to me like he got suspicious of moosy early for moosy relying on others (which i actually don't find that strange in anyone, especially new players, but i get the paranoia) and has been kinda...tunneled...on him since? i think wave's wrong but i don't know that that makes him scum?

ksc mind quoting the stuff jat actually did? like i remember the stuff on truffle to some extent but i remember it from vivax i think maybe? i'm pretty sure it was vivax

On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.

On August 27 2015 01:04 justanothertownie wrote:

Cool. So what is decent about the read?

On August 27 2015 21:35 KelsierSC wrote:


stuff on wave









stuff on trefl

On August 27 2015 21:50 justanothertownie wrote:
You missed a few posts and you missed my stuff on CC completely but yeah.

On August 27 2015 22:16 VisceraEyes wrote:

This is a thing. It's literally in his sig and he PLAYS around it AS mafia. Go read the QT from Nomination mafia (I think) where he mentions it several times after replacing in.

On August 27 2015 22:24 VisceraEyes wrote:

What do you think about my post about CC's case? Just remove anything that says anything about "looks too good to be town" and give me your opinion.

On August 27 2015 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote:


This is pretty strange. How do I go from a town lean to a mafia lean based on things that happened BEFORE the post where you townread me? You can't even really say that "Oh I didn't know about those things until I filtered" because you were literally THERE when the stuff with Wave was going on. Yet at one point you townread me and later on your mafia read me. WTF?

On August 27 2015 23:22 Palmar wrote:

Good!

Here's a really, really serious question to everyone in the game:

WoS
VE
Vivax
BF
Deconduo
CC
JAT

There is mafia, probably 2-3 in this group of players.

If we remove JAT from this pool (just for the sake of conversation) who do we lynch?

On August 27 2015 23:23 Palmar wrote:
Actually maybe kelsier should be in that pool too, he has been very low-key.

On August 27 2015 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
KSC also hinging on CCs nit-picking points as a reason to lynch me makes him look even worse imo.
He even voted me before CCs huge case iirc and now he uses that to justify

Rsoul I think it was with you we talked about ksc? And I think at the time I felt I was maybe being unreasonable and you convinced me. Still think the same about ksc?

On August 27 2015 23:33 WaveofShadow wrote:

Thank you, I do quite like it.

On August 27 2015 23:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay I just filtered CC. I think given what I found on my catchup regarding Trfel, he's a better lynch than CC. CC's thought process actually kinda makes sense re: Wave, I just didn't like the tone and way it was presented. Trfel is actively and objectively scummier, and there's the added bonus of it infuriating Palmar the Mafia.

##Vote: Trfel

On August 27 2015 23:38 rsoultin wrote:
Ve makes no lynch list though hi ve <3

Still prefer bf if not jat btw palmar

On August 27 2015 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote:

Of course.i don't think he's scum anymore for the post when I said so.

On August 27 2015 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:

Damn.
Scumread evaporated.

On August 27 2015 23:44 rsoultin wrote:
I'm really good at reading truffle though and he obviously was filter diving everyone which invalidates your entire case ve

Nothing changed ksc

On August 27 2015 23:43 VisceraEyes wrote:

Except unlike you, I didn't go out of my way to insult anyone. Marv is happily waffling on fucking everything and you're pushing what I perceive to be a townie. Objectively speaking my content is better than both of yours this game. I said no offense intended because there was, in fact, no offense intended. Unlike your post. Fucking ass.

On August 27 2015 23:47 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yarp.
Because of all new players, moosy is the most likely one to act like a super new player and apologize for suboptimal play. Could be a ploy on his own meta but I super doubt it based on what I've seen of him before.

On August 27 2015 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote:

It doesn't invalidate his case but maybe you pinpoint why I'm unconvinced by it.

On August 27 2015 23:52 rsoultin wrote:
Wave too scattered to be scum I think...if i'm right take this to the bank lol

On August 28 2015 00:04 rsoultin wrote:


Not really. Hopeless was utter shit with us I don't find it surprising truffle thinks that and he could even be right lol

On August 28 2015 00:06 WaveofShadow wrote:

HAHAHAHh
AND YOU THINK I'M SCUM FOR SAYING PALMARS JAT READ WAS PRETTY GOOD

HAHAHAHSHSH

On August 28 2015 00:08 WaveofShadow wrote:

If you agree with cc which you do, then you think that.

Also VE <3

Also marv joke is overdone
Literally every game with him

On August 28 2015 00:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
But seriously does no one see that?
Ksc calls Trfel hopeless read pretty good, and yet somehow me saying the same on palmar makes me scum.

On August 28 2015 00:16 rsoultin wrote:
Beards are itchy :0

And catch nasties :/

On August 28 2015 00:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
And also now that I'm at my computer based on Thug Life CC could very well be scum but meh

Now my high is gone

On August 28 2015 00:53 WaveofShadow wrote:

You asked me to explain why I looked back into a past game to call him scum based on meta, I showed you why.

On August 28 2015 00:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
That feeling when you're playing so damn good that everyone thinks you're mafia for it. Just saying, 1.5 year old meta is all but abandoned at this point. I totally get why VE'd think I'd be mafia--he played in nomination with me--but he'd also think I were mafia If i led the wagon on justice on scum. Also he may still be salty from 2 years ago in Noir Mini where I destroyed him (OK, he had me down as mafia, but nobody else did and we shot VE in the night ) as scum.

Marv is more mafia for calling me mafia. #omgus A player with good analytical skills like that is hinging on a tone / old meta read and I don't think I've played a game as scum with him in it before. And I'm like his top scumread besides JAT, who he was waffling on superhard before. I don't get it.

I still think Wave is mafia for not evaluating the game critically and letting Palmar do everything, it seems so textbook mafia. But he looks like he's been doing stuff since then, however mostly unrelated to figuring out JAT's alignment, which should be his number 1 priority as town. I actually agree with his point about KSC agreeing with the hopeless read, because the hopeless read is trash. The only problem is that I've been townreading KSC since ~a couple hours after I scumread him in my first post. But it's a matter of whether or not KSC actually agrees with the meta reasoning behind the read or not. He doesn't just agree because someone he admires said so, he agrees because he actually believes in a trash read.

Wave asked a question to JAT, something along the lines of: "did your read on me have anything to do with CC" and jat replied that it did not. However, JAT called my posts absolutely true and good. ???

On August 28 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:

I didn't remember his scumgame which is why I wanted to go back and look at it to see if it wouold affect my townread. It did.I don't think he's scum because of that one game, but my townread on him is gone-ish as from that game I can see that he could very well be playing this way as scum.

I'm not following what you're not following here.

On August 28 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
K actually done with you 'cause gonna look at JAT
You're not changing your waste of a vote anyway you've made that clear

On August 28 2015 01:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh god the spampocalypse. I was not prepared for this. I'm going to go full blazinghand and use his RNG methods while I read the thread and then yolo it.

RNG being this (post's ID)Mod13 (0=decon, 1=wave, 2=vivax etc)

On August 28 2015 01:10 KelsierSC wrote:


i wasn't following why ,when i asked you for a scumread you quoted a post of you calling him town.

forgive me

ok so how has his play changed , why are you no longer town reading him?

cos that one game from years ago?

On August 28 2015 01:50 Palmar wrote:
Can someone go check if Vivax is mafia?

It's highly likely tbh.

On August 28 2015 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...self analysis but why the fuck would I ever go back and do a huge analysis only to OPENLY admit I am still sheeping, SAME as I did earlier, and openly admit I have no good conclusions? It's just to shift blame to Palmar and make myself look 'good?' You think that post is in any way going to make me look good?

SO frustrating that people continue to hinge on 'wishy-washy' as some indicator of scum.

On August 28 2015 02:16 WaveofShadow wrote:

No, sick of entertaining questions that go nowhere and attempting to explain extremely simple things to someone who just doesn't get them.

Of all the waffle I've waffled in this game I'm so back and forth on KSC. I keep looking back and thinking 'ok maybe it's not scummy and I'm just OMGUSing' but his pressure on me feels way more forced than anything JAT has pushed out.

On August 28 2015 02:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
You literally answer your question in the post you quote.
This is why I'm sick of dealing with you.


Seriously what the fuck

On August 28 2015 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
NO I DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SCUM GAME CAUSE I HADNT LOOKED AT IT AT THE TIME
I DONT FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT YOURE MISSING HERE

On August 28 2015 02:29 KelsierSC wrote:


So you have a townread on him and then that just disappears because, you read a scum game ?

like you actually need to explain more than that, I can say oh I townread wave, but then I read a game where wave was scum and so he is scum here, it doesn't make any fucking sense

like actually explain this shit to me beacuse it just sounds like you want to try and scum read him rather than actually having a reason.

On August 28 2015 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote:

I hereby make it my business this game to never answer that question.
You can even do nothing the rest of the game but requote that post if you'd like.

On August 28 2015 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

Now I am convinced you are only asking me these questions to piss me off because once again, that question was lready answered very very recently.

I don't understand why you feel the need to be such a dick, but it's cool. Let me know when you decide to start playing the game for real.

On August 28 2015 02:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Again reasonable questions

I don't understand why you changed your read on CC, your explanation is woefully inadequate

I still don't understand what you want to do with JAT, you made a big post that concluded nothing , apparently this is like you being 100% town in your own words, but I want a TLDR version of it.

On August 28 2015 03:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Kels we should probably talk

On August 28 2015 03:05 deconduo wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kesier and Moosy are town. I like the cases against Hopeless and the trfel more than the one against JAT at the moment. I'm gonna read a bit more and make a decision.

On August 28 2015 03:10 justanothertownie wrote:
Oh god rsoultin is next. Will skip it for the same reason I skipped Palmar.

On August 28 2015 03:07 Trfel wrote:
I'm still somewhat suspicious of VisceraEyes?

The fact that he completely dropped his read on WaveofShadow and now seems to be treating him as town, without saying anything, confuses me. Or am I missing something here?

He also didn't even address the points I brought up about him.

I like that he pushed his reads on Mr. Cheesecake and myself, but I don't think this makes him town.

On August 28 2015 03:13 deconduo wrote:


At the moment yeah. The case against JAT just feels the same as the case against ruxxar in TSM.

On August 28 2015 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nobody is looking at Vivax right now.

On August 28 2015 03:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JAT for the record, me being inconsistent is playing to my town meta. Even though my old meta should be thrown out, Marv did note that I was all over the place as town.

On August 28 2015 03:23 Trfel wrote:
Please point it out to me, because I'm just not seeing it.

I don't care about VisceraEyes' points on me? I had a toneread on him, then I read his filter and found the things that I mentioned.

On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc.

Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy.

The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie.

Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: MoosyDoosy

On August 28 2015 03:25 deconduo wrote:


Nope. Mainly because he lurked just as much in TSM and was scum there. Also this is pretty unforgivable:

On August 28 2015 03:28 Trfel wrote:
This is exactly my point. His read didn't change because of what WaveofShadow did, it mostly changed because of (terrible) unflipped associations with other people. Even when he takes back his read on MoosyDoosy, he doesn't mention WaveofShadow.

On August 28 2015 03:32 Trfel wrote:
I don't get the impression that you've read VisceraEyes' filter recently.

But I don't feel like explaining it now. Maybe later.

On August 28 2015 03:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


At the time I thought JAT was town for defending against Palmar, and Palmar was just had an extremely flimsy read on him. I agreed with what Rsoultin said about it being ridiculous that the only thing JAT had done was the Trfel thing, because leaning on that the entire game wont get him anywhere. Clearly, one needs more from a player to discern their alignment. That's why I pushed him later to give reads and be productive, because complaining to Palmar and sticking with the Trfel read isn't making me read him town.

On August 28 2015 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Who fucked up formatting.
JAT


So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor.


This looks like townJAT


This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad.

I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone.

I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it.



Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc


A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey.


Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out.

(Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT)

I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means.

I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better